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Watson no longer a walk-up start

hineyrulz

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He had a good run at 4 and couldn't produce the goods, S Waugh batted at 5 and captained the team. Not sure why the obssesion to bat him up the order when he does so well at 5. Ian Chappell is a dopey old Fossil just because he batted at 3 and captained Aus so should everyone else :crazy:
 

yappy

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NEVER EVER MOVE CLARKE FROM 5.

It should be carved in stone somewhere. I don't know why he can't score runs up the order, but he can't. So just leave it. He averages 60 at 5. Someone else will come along who will score more at 3 & 4 than Clarke would there, but no one is likely to score more than him at 5.
 

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In his current form he can and his form is desperately needed there or at 3.
 

yappy

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Some things you just shouldn't mess with. He was struggling right up to the day he moved back to 5. It's no coincidence that as soon as he's back at 5 the runs started to flow. I predicted as much last year. Move him out of 5 and I'll bet you London to a brick they dry up again. Could be voodoo, or magic or whatever. Pup bats 5.

Watson can bat 4 and Ponting back up to 3.
 

hineyrulz

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Some things you just shouldn't mess with. He was struggling right up to the day he moved back to 5. It's no coincidence that as soon as he's back at 5 the runs started to flow. I predicted as much last year. Move him out of 5 and I'll bet you London to a brick they dry up again. Could be voodoo, or magic or whatever. Pup bats 5.

Watson can bat 4 and Ponting back up to 3.
Thats the way i would go as well.
 

Earl

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He should man up and bat at 3. If he wants to become a great player it shouldn't matter where he bats.
 

yappy

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"Man up"

That's the sum of your argument? Maybe he should "man up" and just move to opener? Or "man up" and just play as our lead spinner?

He's our best on-field leader since Tubby, will average closer to 60 than 50 if left at 5 and score more of those juicy doubles. Play to his strengths rather than trying to turn him into something he is not. That's man enough for anyone.
 

hineyrulz

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He should man up and bat at 3. If he wants to become a great player it shouldn't matter where he bats.
So Steve Waugh wasn't a great player because he batted at 5, Dougie was no good because he batted at 6??? Derp!!
 

yappy

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And as for 'Manning Up" where are all the calls for Tendulkar to move up to three? That soft prick has never ever not once in his test career batted 3. If he really was a great player surely he could handle 3, but no even if Dravid was out they'd swap in VVS or make any change so that Sachin didn't have to bat 3.
 

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NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!

WHy do clowns continually want to move Clarke. :crazy:
Like with my comment on Ponting, Clarke has batted at 4 this entire series (Marsh being in the team might as well been forgotten) and he produced the stats of his career. Unless he is superstitious, why wouldn't it work?
 

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Some things you just shouldn't mess with. He was struggling right up to the day he moved back to 5. It's no coincidence that as soon as he's back at 5 the runs started to flow. I predicted as much last year. Move him out of 5 and I'll bet you London to a brick they dry up again. Could be voodoo, or magic or whatever. Pup bats 5.

Watson can bat 4 and Ponting back up to 3.

I think thats just superstitious

Ironic that you say Clarke can only bat at 5, yet some one who is not good enough to make it in the team on his batting alone gets nominated to bat at 4, and just about every other position depending on who is posting at the time, yet one of the worlds premier batsmen is only good enough to bat at 5 and no where else.

Sorry but thats just crazy talk imo.

Stats wont tell you when he was batting at 4, where was he playing, home or away, who was bowling RSA or the might of the Bangers, batting pitches or bowling pitches, pace or spin, were we winning at the time or losing, how were the rest of the top 6 batting at the time
 

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Like with my comment on Ponting, Clarke has batted at 4 this entire series (Marsh being in the team might as well been forgotten) and he produced the stats of his career. Unless he is superstitious, why wouldn't it work?

another good point but the stats worshipers will say he batted at 5

for mine we need a No 3 and not just a fill in like Watson, Punter is gonna retire soon, Clarke is the man he has all the shots around the ground, can play off front foot and back foot and can dominate an attack, and bat for long periods of time, all attributes of a good no 3
 

hineyrulz

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19 test at 4 for an average of 21 says it all, he averages 60 at 5. It's got nothing to do with being a stats person, common sense dictates he is worth far more to the team at 5 than he is at 4.
 

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like the previous poster said, he pretty much batted at 4 this series and it was his best ever

the big issue for me atm, is not so much what he has done in the past, but what needs to happen now for the sake of the team, its not just about making his stats look better
 
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Earl

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Steve Waugh played in a team were even the number 7 averaged over 50. He was surrounded by great batsman.

Clarke is easily Australia's best bat, and shouldn't be protected at 5 'because he only averages 19 at number 4'

Whats the difference between batting at 3 and 5 if you come in at 3/30 compared to 1/150?

Where he bats in the order is just a number, and it shouldn't have any affect on their results.
 

Earl

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Steve Waugh dropped down from 3 to 5. Lol @ "man up" that's the argument of a donkey that hasn't played cricket.

You don't know who I am or anything about me, and you've got no idea how much or how little cricket i've played.

I'm allowed to have an opinion like everyone else here without being called a donkey by some merkin f**kwit who thinks everything he says should be f**king idolised.

Whether or not you like my ideas, I'm allowed to have one, so back the f**k up.
 

Horrie Is God

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I'm from the "If it ain't broke,then don't fix it" school..

I don't want to weaken one spot,to potentially strengthen another..
 

Storm_Warning

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as it has been said for the last hundred years your best batsman should bat first drop. ponting started at 5-6 and then when it cam time he moved to 3. if clarke wanted to step up and lead the way then he should move to 3 but he will hide himself down the order when the ball isnt new and the bowlers arent as fresh. there is no reason why he shouldnt move to 3 other than him no wanting to step up
 

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