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The prospective QLD side looking good in 2012.

Mr Fourex

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Huh? New Limited set up the Storm. The QRL had nothing to do with it.

Where do you think Inglis, Slater, Smith and Cronk came from Jason Gronker?

John Ribot ring a bell?

Brisbane sacrificed a hell of a lot to help the Storm out........
 

Jason Maher

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Inglis comes from Bowraville, NSW, Slater from North Queensland. How about givng the Knights and Cowboys a bit of credit?
 

Tweed Titan

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Just a question, how is the home ground advantage supposed to work? I can't remember for some reason.

Doesn't it go in a cycle like.....

1. Melbourne 1 game, Brisbane 1 game, Sydney 1 game
2. Qld 2 home games
3. NSW 2 home games
etc

Have both teams been adhering to this in recent history?
 

Tweed Titan

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To be honest, origin has lost its fun for me, because I no longer care for the rivalry; I do not have any queenslander mates or colleagues that watch more than 3 games of league a year. Hearing the gloating from a person that cannot name a player besides Lockyer, Slater or Smith gets tiring. The wank fest over the dominance of the Queensland team is palatable from all year fans, I'm just fed up to the eyeballs with viewers carrying on like they achieved something themselves.

After the cries of 'origin is dead' from tropical Canada when the blues were winning, the arrogance feels so childish. Believe what you want and type what you want, it's your life. I'm a lot more proud of the club I'm a member of and it's achievements than any state exhibition wins.

Maybe I lack passion for my state, maybe the tribal rivalry of club football means more. I don't think this way because of the state I was born, it's my view.

I want to make it clear; I'd feel embarrassed if a new south Welshman wanked on about the blues like the 3 game afficiandos do about QLD.


Want a pillow to cry into? I love my origin and always will. You do realise supporting your club and state passionately aren't mutually exclusive?
 

Mr Fourex

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Inglis comes from Bowraville, NSW, Slater from North Queensland. How about givng the Knights and Cowboys a bit of credit?

They all were playing in the QRL comp for Brisbane Norths when they joined Melbourne

Just a question, how is the home ground advantage supposed to work? I can't remember for some reason.

Doesn't it go in a cycle like.....

1. Melbourne 1 game, Brisbane 1 game, Sydney 1 game
2. Qld 2 home games
3. NSW 2 home games
etc

Have both teams been adhering to this in recent history?

Yeah mate.......it goes in a cycle just as you said.

The only difference is, QLD don't cry about it...........
 
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Desert Qlder

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After the cries of 'origin is dead' from tropical Canada when the blues were winning

What cries? Links fellas!

If none of you can then this has to be put to bed once and for all. I want direct quotes from Mal and will be happy to be proven wrong.
 

Mr Fourex

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3) Meninga was the coach in '06 saying "If we loose Origin is dead"

Woah woah woah...what is that?

Be so kind as to provide a link to comments of that nature.





After the cries of 'origin is dead' from tropical Canada when the blues were winning, the arrogance feels so childish.



What cries? Links fellas!


If none of you can then this has to be put to bed once and for all. I want direct quotes from Mal and will be happy to be proven wrong.


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Frank_Grimes

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What cries? Links fellas!

If none of you can then this has to be put to bed once and for all. I want direct quotes from Mal and will be happy to be proven wrong.

There are none. It's a Blue myth. Mal didn't say "Origin is dead" he was quoted as saying that if QLD lost in '06 making it 4 in a row, the concept was "in a little jeopardy" of losing support, and in the same breath, called for all QLDrs to rally behind the team.

Then the Sydney Morning Herald printed an article with the title "We lose and game could die: Meninga" despite no such words having left Mal's mouth.

Search these forums and you'll find no such "Origin is Dead" statements from QLD fans here either.
 
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I think of Origin and I think of the halves battles in the 90s early 2000s - Lewis, Langer, Johns, Daley, Fittler with blokes like Meninga, Harrigan and so on...

Comparatively, Origin over the last 10 years has been crap.

Agreed.
 
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It may not be "Origin is dead", however he is quoted as. "There's a huge feeling out there that if Queensland is not successful this year that people won't support it [Origin]. It's time for all Queenslanders to stand up and be counted".

I guess it's just your classic qld call to arms crap hey!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/we-lose-and-game-could-die-meninga/2006/05/23/1148150260148.html

If you take the time to read that article that you linked, the interesting thing is that despite being one Origin loss away from a NSW fourpeat, Mal and the QLD organisation didn't panic (ala NSW). They named the same team saying:

"....the team we've selected is a good one on paper and a good one on form."

Well history and six Origin Series in a row has proven them right.

"Crap" huh? NSW could wish to be gifted with such crap. :roll:
 

Karl

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So it was a manufactured quote loosely based on a pretty tame comment and then taken completely out of context.
 

Jud

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I read the article, and posted the relevant line.

I'm not disputing the fact that NSW have panicked over the years, it's completely irrelevant to your argument. You asked someone to post any articles that had Mal's comments, which I did. I even acknowledged the fact that he didn't say "origin is dead".

goose.
 
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I read the article, and posted the relevant line.

I'm not disputing the fact that NSW have panicked over the years, it's completely irrelevant to your argument. You asked someone to post any articles that had Mal's comments, which I did. I even acknowledged the fact that he didn't say "origin is dead".

goose.

Bzzzzzt!! Wrong.

The request was made to provide evidence where Mal said "Origin is Dead". Not "...any articles that had Mal's comments....". Nothing has been produced to that effect, because they don't exist. That is the point. The article is irrelevant because it doesn't quote Mal saying the quote that myth denotes to him. That is the point. The article bears a by-line which can only be attributed to the journalist. That is the point.

So what that you acknowledge that Mal didn't say what is being attributed to him? It's f*cking obvious. Are we supposed to salute you for that?

Mal was making the point that State Of Origin exists because the QLDers were sick of playing against their own state sides whilst wearing NSW jerseys. That's the point. That's the entire reason for the formation of the best and toughest Rugby League contest ever. Queenslanders wanted State Of Origin. Arthurson and the ARL resisted repeated calls for it. They relented and allowed one game. That one game proved to be such a boon for League followers and such a publicity boost for the ARL that they couldn't ignore it. That remains true more than 30 years later.

You have Queensderpers to thank for that. Goose.
 

Jud

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"Mal was making the point that State Of Origin exists because the QLDers were sick of playing against their own state sides whilst wearing NSW jerseys. ."

I must have missed that part in the story. Looks like a by-line that can only be attributed to a goose :lol:
 
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Mal Meninga:

"If you haven't got a successful Queensland side, I think the game [rugby league] is a little bit in jeopardy as well."

The journalist inserted the words "rugby league". Mal was talking about Origin. Origin is Queensland. State of Origin was brought into existence at the insistence of the QLDers. Specifically the QRL. The ARL resisted it for decades. NSW was quite satisfied with the best QLD players running onto the field against QLD, wearing Blues jerseys. That was the status quo prior to 1980. The NSWRL had no desire whatsoever to have a State Of Origin competition. The ARL had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table, after MANY years of QLD's disgust at the situation.

That IS why when you talk about State Of Origin, you are talking about QLD passion for their state. Without QLD passion there is no State of Origin. There is a long history of NSW playing QLD prior to 1980. It didn't capture anyone's imagination because it was a farce. Beetson and others were forced to play in Blues jerseys against their own state. The QLD public knew it. The NSW public knew it. Few were interested in it, for obvious reasons. State Of Origin was the real deal. With State Of Origin's inception, there could be genuine interest on both sides of the border in the proceedings. Meninga was there for that first Origin game. He played. He knows the passion that those men had for the Series. Mal knows that Origin was born in order that QLDers could show their passion for their State. That was why he intimated that in the quote at the top of this post.

Origin is unsuccessful if the QLD aren't giving it their all. It is QLD's platform. It is QLD's statement of their love of their state. Mal was underlining to his team, just what Origin signified. The QLD fans would always be passionate about the Series. We sold out the QLD venues right through those dark years prior to 2006. The fans might have been rankled that their teams were losing, but they weren't bailing.

The QLD team was letting themselves down. Lockyer needed a 'kick in the butt'. Price and Petero did too. Mal gave them the kick in the butt that they needed. Other QLD legends including Beetson gave the players a spray that year. The QLD team had been underperforming and it was time that someone said "This has to stop." Mal did that. The players took the message on board, kicked almighty freckle in Game 2 2006 and went to Sydney where they had lost the last 10 games with a different frame of mind.

Prior to Game 3 in Sydney, despite QLD trouncing NSW in Game 2( a much bigger win than NSW's Game 2 last year), everyone wrote-off the Maroons. This game was on NSW's turf. NSW had won the last 3 Series. QLD had not won 2 Origin games for 5 years. The Blues were red-hot favourites to win. Thank GOD for Mal saying what he did in the SMH article. He would have said MUCH more to the boys prior to Games 2 and 3. That third game in 2006 was THE best game by a QLD side EVER. All the odds were stacked against them. They were behind on the scoreboard deep into the second-half of the game. At that stage of Game 3 no-one other than the QLD Origin camp, the QLD players themselves and the die-hard fans would have even given them a chance of staving-off the NSW fourpeat.

Mal's kick in the butt worked. QLD rallied, and on the back of THAT game; Game 3 2006. Upon that game, this QLD dominance, this unprecedented run of consecutive Origin victories was founded. Not the belting that the QLDers had given NSW in Game 2. It was that rally from being behind on the scoreboard in Game 3 2006, that QLD have looked to for the last seven years for inspiration.

That is why the quote of Mals I placed at the top of this post has EVERYTHING to do with what we are discussing on this thread. Without QLD being competitive, Origin is diminished. Not dead. Not finished. "....a little bit in jeopardy".

Thank You Mal.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Mal Meninga:

"If you haven't got a successful Queensland side, I think the game [rugby league] is a little bit in jeopardy as well."

The journalist inserted the words "rugby league". Mal was talking about Origin. Origin is Queensland. State of Origin was brought into existence at the insistence of the QLDers. Specifically the QRL. The ARL resisted it for decades. NSW was quite satisfied with the best QLD players running onto the field against QLD, wearing Blues jerseys. That was the status quo prior to 1980. The NSWRL had no desire whatsoever to have a State Of Origin competition. The ARL had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table, after MANY years of QLD's disgust at the situation.

That IS why when you talk about State Of Origin, you are talking about QLD passion for their state. Without QLD passion there is no State of Origin. There is a long history of NSW playing QLD prior to 1980. It didn't capture anyone's imagination because it was a farce. Beetson and others were forced to play in Blues jerseys against their own state. The QLD public knew it. The NSW public knew it. Few were interested in it, for obvious reasons. State Of Origin was the real deal. With State Of Origin's inception, there could be genuine interest on both sides of the border in the proceedings. Meninga was there for that first Origin game. He played. He knows the passion that those men had for the Series. Mal knows that Origin was born in order that QLDers could show their passion for their State. That was why he intimated that in the quote at the top of this post.

Origin is unsuccessful if the QLD aren't giving it their all. It is QLD's platform. It is QLD's statement of their love of their state. Mal was underlining to his team, just what Origin signified. The QLD fans would always be passionate about the Series. We sold out the QLD venues right through those dark years prior to 2006. The fans might have been rankled that their teams were losing, but they weren't bailing.

The QLD team was letting themselves down. Lockyer needed a 'kick in the butt'. Price and Petero did too. Mal gave them the kick in the butt that they needed. Other QLD legends including Beetson gave the players a spray that year. The QLD team had been underperforming and it was time that someone said "This has to stop." Mal did that. The players took the message on board, kicked almighty freckle in Game 2 2006 and went to Sydney where they had lost the last 10 games with a different frame of mind.

Prior to Game 3 in Sydney, despite QLD trouncing NSW in Game 2( a much bigger win than NSW's Game 2 last year), everyone wrote-off the Maroons. This game was on NSW's turf. NSW had won the last 3 Series. QLD had not won 2 Origin games for 5 years. The Blues were red-hot favourites to win. Thank GOD for Mal saying what he did in the SMH article. He would have said MUCH more to the boys prior to Games 2 and 3. That third game in 2006 was THE best game by a QLD side EVER. All the odds were stacked against them. They were behind on the scoreboard deep into the second-half of the game. At that stage of Game 3 no-one other than the QLD Origin camp, the QLD players themselves and the die-hard fans would have even given them a chance of staving-off the NSW fourpeat.

Mal's kick in the butt worked. QLD rallied, and on the back of THAT game; Game 3 2006. Upon that game, this QLD dominance, this unprecedented run of consecutive Origin victories was founded. Not the belting that the QLDers had given NSW in Game 2. It was that rally from being behind on the scoreboard in Game 3 2006, that QLD have looked to for the last seven years for inspiration.

That is why the quote of Mals I placed at the top of this post has EVERYTHING to do with what we are discussing on this thread. Without QLD being competitive, Origin is diminished. Not dead. Not finished. "....a little bit in jeopardy".

Thank You Mal.
How's the wrist after all that fella? A little sore no doubt.
 
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