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[Valheru]

Ok so for a few weeks now everyone has been running with the stat that Pearce/Maloney are the worst in the comp in terms of forcing dropouts and the exact stats were displayed last night on the Matty johns show and it has been labelled a particular concern for NSW

My question is, does it really matter from a Roosters viewpoint and/or is the stat misleading. Yes we are at the bottom with 17 but guess who is at the top... St George with 35. From memory teams like Melbourne and Sharks were also in the bottom half of that stat.

Given we have the 2nd most points in the comp is it not fair to say that we score most times we hit the opposition’s red zone. Perhaps a better stat would be the percentage of times a team scores or forces a drop out once in their opposition’s 20.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Dumb stat that doesn't take in to account a range of scenarios. Pearce and Maloney have about 25 try assists between them which is more important than repeat sets.

To show how stupid the stat is the Stains and Cowboys lead the way, two shit teams down the bottom of the ladder. Stain Merge had a few of them on Saturday and scored zero points. Manly had 8 sets in a row against us and scored nothing in that time.

 

[God-King Dean]

Dumb stat that doesn't take in to account a range of scenarios. Pearce and Maloney have about 25 try assists between them which is more important than repeat sets.

To show how stupid the stat is the Stains and Cowboys lead the way, two shit teams down the bottom of the ladder. Stain Merge had a few of them on Saturday and scored zero points. Manly had 8 sets in a row against us and scored nothing in that time.

In 2010, we had the least dropouts.

In 2013, we have the most.

Go figure.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Yeah exactly, don't need repeat sets when you score tries lol

 

[aqua_duck]

Why would you go for a grubby into the in goal anyway when you've got 6'5 Daniel Tupou to aim for

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Yeah exactly, don't need repeat sets when you score tries lol

This.

I haven't looked at the stats recently, but I'm pretty sure you guys are 1st or 2nd in the comp for tries scored from inside the oppositions 40. If a high percentage of your sets from there end in tries then the dropout stat becomes redundant.

 

[Monk]

Eh, people enjoy finding a new way to sook.

 

[Horrie Is God]

I agree that the style of footy we are playing doesn't put too much emphasis on the repeat set..

Come the big games in Sept etc, we will need to play a more grinding style..and that means forcing repeat sets..

Our boys need to keep working on their short kicking..

It is a weird stat though..When we played NZ at home we forced a heap of repeat sets..yet got beat..

 

[BCH]

It's certainly an area we can look to improve on...against better defence in finals we will need to be able to build pressure (if we're not scoring).

 

[BCH]

I think the thing to look more closely at too (& there might not be a stat for this) is how many times do we legitimately try to get a repeat set and then don't. I suspect when we do try we get it wrong more often than not.

 

[H.H]

I think the thing to look more closely at too (& there might not be a stat for this) is how many times do we legitimately try to get a repeat set and then don't. I suspect when we do try we get it wrong more often than not.

This is a good point.

Also, I'm guessing Johns and co were talking from an Origin perspective, where you rarely blow teams away. In Origin you need to build pressure and break teams down and a big part of this is forcing repeat sets.

I can see what others are saying, but I do wish we were better at it...better to be good at it than not I'd have thought.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Even in Origin Pearce and Maloney were certainly putting in attacking kicks rather than looking to repeat sets, that's a game plan IMO

 

[Valheru]

In 2010, we had the least dropouts.

In 2013, we have the most.

Go figure.

Well this really says it all doesn?t it.

IMO people need to look at repeat sets more as a failure to score a try rather than an accomplishment in keeping the ball. To be honest most repeat sets are in the act of scoring a try. Rarely is a kick put in purely to get a repat set, that is almost an admission of defeat.

 

[BCH]

Well this really says it all doesn?t it.

IMO people need to look at repeat sets more as a failure to score a try rather than an accomplishment in keeping the ball. To be honest most repeat sets are in the act of scoring a try. Rarely is a kick put in purely to get a repat set, that is almost an admission of defeat.

But....if you fail to score a try the next best result is a repeat set (generally in the opposition's half). However, if you don't score or get a repeat set you've failed on 2 counts. Holding possession is the key. The more possession the more chances to score points and given the attacking weapons we've got this year most sides would struggle to hold us out with repeat sets (if we haven't scored already). I would just like to see us generally improve when we resort to last tackle kick options.

 

[OFFSET ALPINE]

Stop sugar-coating the Pearce issue boys.The STAT aspect you need is that Pearce tries for repeats & never gets one...we've sucked at it for 6 years.
Typical of this were the kicks into legs etc against Manly & NZ.
As HORRIE & BCH said - To argue that we CAN afford NOT TO HAVE the five or six line-drops to build pressure that Souffs & QLD get in the grind...won't cut it.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Try assists > repeat sets

I keep forgetting how many of our fans should be the first grade coach :lol:

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

A stat like that worried me when we sh1t but that's mainly because we weren't patient and going for gun plays that were never on. This year we've come away with some grinding wins as well as the flashy stuff.

 

[Headless Chook]

Ok so for a few weeks now everyone has been running with the stat that Pearce/Maloney are the worst in the comp in terms of forcing dropouts and the exact stats were displayed last night on the Matty johns show and it has been labelled a particular concern for NSW

My question is, does it really matter from a Roosters viewpoint and/or is the stat misleading. Yes we are at the bottom with 17 but guess who is at the top... St George with 35. From memory teams like Melbourne and Sharks were also in the bottom half of that stat.

Given we have the 2nd most points in the comp is it not fair to say that we score most times we hit the opposition?s red zone. Perhaps a better stat would be the percentage of times a team scores or forces a drop out once in their opposition?s 20.

After 17 rounds we are concediing a miserly 11.5 points per game. That is the stat that matters. Admittedly an increase in forcing the opposition to give us the ball back would come in more than handy in the finals.

In Easts we trust

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Don't need em if you score try's.

 

[Von]

try assists > repeat sets

i keep forgetting how many of our fans should be the first grade coach :lol:

+100

:d