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Supposed "Season Review' without changes

redbreed

Juniors
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What a waste of money. There just rotating the tyres and hoping it makes it go better.
 
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Willow

Assistant Moderator
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The saddest thing is there are absolutely no surprises here. We have some real issues in front office.
 

saints4ever

First Grade
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I would love to know what credentials the review pointed out that made mary a candidate for a coaches position
 

R&WTILLIDIE

First Grade
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As others have stated, It looks like we are in a pickle in regards to our finances :( But what I bolded above scares the shit outa me. It seems like we are fast tracking one of these guys for 1st grade coach for 2015... With the club struggling with money issues, they may well go for a cheap option in Hornby/Young if Price does indeed fail in 2014. By the sky wizard I hope not...

Here's the thing...the CEOs job is to help the club make money. If the club is struggling financially then you replace the CEO with someone smart who can make the club money. We're one of the most popular RL clubs in the world. How the f**k can we be struggling so much?
 

TruSaint

Referee
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As others have stated, It looks like we are in a pickle in regards to our finances :( But what I bolded above scares the shit outa me. It seems like we are fast tracking one of these guys for 1st grade coach for 2015... With the club struggling with money issues, they may well go for a cheap option in Hornby/Young if Price does indeed fail in 2014. By the sky wizard I hope not...

We have not learnt a damn thing from our mistakes.
Searching for a cheap out, and jobs for the boys.
Money issues ? Maybe.
Either way this report shows the mind set of the board, keeping those inside
employed and justified.
I pray I am wrong, but 2014 with all the talent we have bought, may just be a
total waste.
 

saints4me

Juniors
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462
I'm prepared to give them a go. I'll do that by renewing my membership (x 4 silver's) in 2014. I didn't renew in 2013 as a protest to management and when asked I told them why. I'll always follow the Dragons.
I think the clean-out was necessary (minus Coops/Fien/Horse) so I'm looking forward to seeing a totally different style of play. I think we have the key positions covered - something we haven't really had since 2010.
 

Saintsified

Bench
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I agree with the findings and have maintained all along that Price was duped....I believe he will improve the teams performances remarkably next season...I also believe my grand mother could've coached Roosters and Souffs this year and done well. I don't believe in sacking Price to try another rookie coach, the worst is over and its onwards and upwards from here.
 

R&WTILLIDIE

First Grade
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I agree with the findings and have maintained all along that Price was duped....I believe he will improve the teams performances remarkably next season...I also believe my grand mother could've coached Roosters and Souffs this year and done well. I don't believe in sacking Price to try another rookie coach, the worst is over and its onwards and upwards from here.

Well done mate...that's the spirit...I hope you're right.

We'll see how Price goes next year with a better playing roster.

I just wish these dickheads would admit that they farked up. I'm sick of hearing the same BS
 

tumbidragon

First Grade
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I agree with the findings and have maintained all along that Price was duped....I believe he will improve the teams performances remarkably next season...I also believe my grand mother could've coached Roosters and Souffs this year and done well. I don't believe in sacking Price to try another rookie coach, the worst is over and its onwards and upwards from here.
As much as I don't think Price will succeed in 2014, even with a better roster to work with. Man I'm hoping you're right Saintfield ;-) Here's hoping to a more competitive effort right across the board. I admire your fortitude mate and Up the Saints!
 

Mr Red

First Grade
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key findings:

- depth of the playing roster in key positions
translation - poor planning and recruitment. not replacing retiring players with players of the same class.
letting our only playmaker leave mid season because of a personal clash

- experience of the roster
hang on a minute ... wasnt part of the problem supposedly an "aging roster" ?? cant have it both ways..

- leadership within the playing group
translation - Ben Creagh is a rubbish captain...

- injuries were up 25% from 2012 with 198 individual games missed. Key players such as Stanley, Beale, Cooper, Hunt and in the later part of the year Merrin and Dugan were on that list
translation - you lose the Hickman high performance unit and replace them with poorer options and you get more injuries

- Attacking structures
translation - if you have a crap coach who has spent 2 off seasons "reinventing" our attack only to make it worse each time, and no halves you will have a team that has no attacking stucture.. who would have thought????

- Physical training methods
see loss of Hickman performance unit

- Specialist skills
translation - poor coaching staff and poor recruitment gives poor skills within the team...

all in all it seems they have spent much time and money on a report full of information that they could have got for free by talking to supporters down the local pub... its really not rocket science..
the sad thing is the changes made to rectify the problem based on the reports findings dont really give me much hope they they have fixed whats broken :(
 
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Saintsified

Bench
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Thanks guys I'm tearing up now he he.

But I really did believe it was right to elevate Price to hear coach I was just as gobsmacked we were going for Bellamy but like Bennett I understood it, these guys are legends of the game, what I don't understand is why some want us to go for say Brad Arthur or Jason Taylor, they would not be in a better position than Price right now to continue.

I look at people going on about Madge or Robinson as great coaches, fair enough but what if Madge went to Eels and Kearney to Souffs for eg? Who would be better? I bet you my bottom dollar people would be talking about Kearney the super coach.

I also do believe had we of missed out on Wayne that Nathan Brown by now would've liked on a premiership anyway with us. But these are things we now will never know, I want Price to succeed and put egg on all our faces and I do believe he will to be honest.

Cheers
 

TruSaint

Referee
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Thanks guys I'm tearing up now he he.

But I really did believe it was right to elevate Price to hear coach I was just as gobsmacked we were going for Bellamy but like Bennett I understood it, these guys are legends of the game, what I don't understand is why some want us to go for say Brad Arthur or Jason Taylor, they would not be in a better position than Price right now to continue.

I look at people going on about Madge or Robinson as great coaches, fair enough but what if Madge went to Eels and Kearney to Souffs for eg? Who would be better? I bet you my bottom dollar people would be talking about Kearney the super coach.

I also do believe had we of missed out on Wayne that Nathan Brown by now would've liked on a premiership anyway with us. But these are things we now will never know, I want Price to succeed and put egg on all our faces and I do believe he will to be honest.

Cheers

Good onya mate.

Whether i agree with you or not, like tumbi, i HOPE you are right.
It is what it is, we cant change that, Price is our coach.
I cant see success in 2014, but i hope i am so wrong.
Please put an omellete on my face.

Nothing would make me happier.

As to Nathan Brown, time will tell what happens.
 

Saintsified

Bench
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I really did believe it was right to elevate Price to head coach I was just as gobsmacked we were going for Bellamy but like Bennett I understood it, these guys are legends of the game, what I don't understand is why some want us to go for say Brad Arthur or Jason Taylor, they would not be in a better position than Price right now to continue.

I look at people going on about Madge or Robinson as great coaches, fair enough but what if Madge went to Eels and Kearney to Souffs for eg? Who would be better? I bet you my bottom dollar people would be talking about Kearney the super coach.

I also do believe had we of missed out on Wayne that Nathan Brown by now would've won a premiership anyway with us. But these are things we now will never know, I want Price to succeed and put egg on all our faces and I do believe he will to be honest.Cheers
 
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I read the document a couple of times with a great sense of anticipation and took it in - before reading any comments on the Forum.

I'm glad the main body of the Report is clearly not written by the CEO – Peter Doust, and that people in key positions have written a response to it. And no, I am not being cynical and saying the quality of the spin has simply improved. Instead, it's more professional (I'd love to know who wrote it) and lends the outcome of the review more credibility and says to me each of those individuals have been given a set of personal goals as the basis for accountability. They've been "challenged", as Steve Price puts it – although of course he is only referring to the players.

It’s a good thing. However the value of goal-setting is only as good as the process of follow up, including consequences. Back to you Steve Price!

Really, the main message to me is that "commercial considerations", mean that Dragon's Options for a more comprehensive restructure are limited due to financial constraints - and quite likely that is the biggest holdback. Bear in mind, if you talking a new coach, then with him comes a heap of assistant coaching and other support staff changes too – again!

Ironically, and as a side issue, could it be that the financial downturn as a consequence of Steve Price's ineffective coaching could prove to be his saviour because they can't affort to replace him? ....Nahh, even I know that's drawing a very long bow, but it is an interesting notion.

Having said that, the other matter that comes through loud and clear to me is this.... now that the positive spin has worn off (um, it didn't work) and the reality of the end result has finally set in, the season was just not good enough! And by re-iterating specific accountabilities of individuals - the Club takes this very seriously. T h a n k y o u !!

I actually think what has been announced is the very best the Dragons can do within the constraints of the current situation and environment.

The move of Craig Young away from recruitment to forwards training is a best fit. I feel pretty confident his experience and dogmatic and stoic nature is ideal input to turn our young Forwards from powder puffs into Kevlar re-inforced carbon fibre (note – not steel) mongrels. It’s a best use of Albert's strengths and really it's a no brainer. He's true grit …And I’m pretty sure there’ll be no new tattoos allowed.

I also think Robert Finch to recruitment is another a best fit, somehow especially for his previous experience as Referee's Co-ordinator - that somehow carries credibility in recruitment. Not sure why, but it does.

I don't know enough about Paul Macgregor other than what I read. However, saying he is a Manager of 25 in is own successful business, is providing evidence that he is competitive by nature and outside of football too, and says to me he is driven. His fitness (and baldness) says he is lean and hungry.

At least that all sounds good. It remains to be seen if he has footy smarts to develop effective attacking plays - has to be better than Steve Price in this regard, but am happy to shouted down on this one.

All in all, IF due mostly to financial (and scoff) cultural constraints we have to be that Club i.e. where loyalty is our greatest value, and so we promote heavily from within (it's not jobs for the boys -ok ?!) ...then let's be the best version of that possible.

I think this is it – and gets my support.

Oh yeah, we have some new players coming too : )
 

Back Door Man

First Grade
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The sad thing is, that it was only a couple of years ago when we riding high , had all the structures in place, and moving forward.

We were at the position, that they now are meeting about, to see how to get there again.

I still can’t believe how in the space of 2 years, we’ve gone from the benchmark to potential wooden spooners
 

tumbidragon

First Grade
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I read the document a couple of times with a great sense of anticipation and took it in - before reading any comments on the Forum.

I'm glad the main body of the Report is clearly not written by the CEO ? Peter Doust, and that people in key positions have written a response to it. And no, I am not being cynical and saying the quality of the spin has simply improved. Instead, it's more professional (I'd love to know who wrote it) and lends the outcome of the review more credibility and says to me each of those individuals have been given a set of personal goals as the basis for accountability. They've been "challenged", as Steve Price puts it ? although of course he is only referring to the players.

It?s a good thing. However the value of goal-setting is only as good as the process of follow up, including consequences. Back to you Steve Price!

Really, the main message to me is that "commercial considerations", mean that Dragon's Options for a more comprehensive restructure are limited due to financial constraints - and quite likely that is the biggest holdback. Bear in mind, if you talking a new coach, then with him comes a heap of assistant coaching and other support staff changes too ? again!

Ironically, and as a side issue, could it be that the financial downturn as a consequence of Steve Price's ineffective coaching could prove to be his saviour because they can't affort to replace him? ....Nahh, even I know that's drawing a very long bow, but it is an interesting notion.

Having said that, the other matter that comes through loud and clear to me is this.... now that the positive spin has worn off (um, it didn't work) and the reality of the end result has finally set in, the season was just not good enough! And by re-iterating specific accountabilities of individuals - the Club takes this very seriously. T h a n k y o u !!

I actually think what has been announced is the very best the Dragons can do within the constraints of the current situation and environment.

The move of Craig Young away from recruitment to forwards training is a best fit. I feel pretty confident his experience and dogmatic and stoic nature is ideal input to turn our young Forwards from powder puffs into Kevlar re-inforced carbon fibre (note ? not steel) mongrels. It?s a best use of Albert's strengths and really it's a no brainer. He's true grit ?And I?m pretty sure there?ll be no new tattoos allowed.

I also think Robert Finch to recruitment is another a best fit, somehow especially for his previous experience as Referee's Co-ordinator - that somehow carries credibility in recruitment. Not sure why, but it does.

I don't know enough about Paul Macgregor other than what I read. However, saying he is a Manager of 25 in is own successful business, is providing evidence that he is competitive by nature and outside of football too, and says to me he is driven. His fitness (and baldness) says he is lean and hungry.

At least that all sounds good. It remains to be seen if he has footy smarts to develop effective attacking plays - has to be better than Steve Price in this regard, but am happy to shouted down on this one.

All in all, IF due mostly to financial (and scoff) cultural constraints we have to be that Club i.e. where loyalty is our greatest value, and so we promote heavily from within (it's not jobs for the boys -ok ?!) ...then let's be the best version of that possible.

I think this is it ? and gets my support.

Oh yeah, we have some new players coming too : )
Can post! ;-)
 

Mr Red

First Grade
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Thanks Mr Red...
:(

half empty?
mate where have you been the last 2 seasons?

i am hoping like hell 2014 will be a big improvement... but i still think there are too many people involved in key positions (and some even getting promoted) that are actually the cause of the problem..
 

Jubileeboy

First Grade
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half empty?
mate where have you been the last 2 seasons?

i am hoping like hell 2014 will be a big improvement... but i still think there are too many people involved in key positions (and some even getting promoted) that are actually the cause of the problem..
I hear ya mate and agree. I mentioned this in JA but to summise;
The biggest thing for me to come out of this is the board acknowledging it's poor on field performance and putting measures in place to rectify these problems.
Everyone has been put on notice and there cannot and hopefully, will not, be a repeat performance of 2013.
By the public mentioning of assigned roles to people, it has clearly and quite unusually for us, put those key areas and personnel out for scrutiny if results remain the same.
There will be a massive improvement for 2014 and McGregor will not be first grade coach for 2015.
All good mate...keep the faith :D
 
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