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Rumoured Signings and General Dribble XIII

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caylo

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Allgood will be seeing a lot of Wenty next season.

I complete agree because Allgood, Mannah and Mossip are are all to similar. They all have limited footwork and not great ball players either. With Paulo's emergence I think his lost his starting 17 spot. For me our strongest lineup would be:

1 Hayne
2 Sio
3 Tonga
4 Hoppa
5 Semi
6 Norman
7 Kelly
8 Mannah
9 Peats
10 Mossip
11 Tangiona
12 Smith (just to improve edge defence)
13 Lussick

14 Sandow/Hunt/Prichard (I'd prefer the later and give peats some time at lock)
15 Loko
16 Jnr Paulo
17 Fui/Terepo

Terepo could start over Smith if his lateral movement and edge defence improved. This season we had times when allgood lussick, fui and mannah were on the field at the same time and we were found short in the edges because thy aren't edge defenders. Amateur mistake by RS Imo
 

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This is our best starting pack! Smith, Tanginoa and Lussik all are physical in defense. Will set the ton nicely for some hard running off the bench with Fui, jnr Paulo, Loko, Edwards causing damage.

I agree with the JT comment. Too much conservative footy from SK and RS. We got some serious attacking ability, let's play with some risk and flair!

You're talking about attacking ability, and yet Ben Smith is in your starting pack?
 

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Edge forwards need to be good defenders first and foremost.

True - but decrying that you want to see some flair in attack and then name Ben Smith makes no sense.

I don't think Smith is up to it any more, tbh - his knees are shot. I think if you want to go for a work-horse, you're better off going for Ryan or Harrison. They at least defend well and offer something ball in hand.
 

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Ben Smith is busted, he should hang up his boots. But who can blame him for going around again with the ridiculous money he is on.
 

Poupou Escobar

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True - but decrying that you want to see some flair in attack and then name Ben Smith makes no sense.

I don't think Smith is up to it any more, tbh - his knees are shot. I think if you want to go for a work-horse, you're better off going for Ryan or Harrison. They at least defend well and offer something ball in hand.

I reckon Smith is faster than either of those two, and in his last full season (2011) he played centre and made a few breaks and scored a few tries.

If he can recover from his injuries there's no reason he can't play to NRL standard. Just like Willie Tonga. And unlike Tonga, Ben Smith isn't 30 yet.
 
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I reckon Smith is faster than either of those two, and in his last full season (2011) he played centre and made a few breaks and scored a few tries.

If he can recover from his injuries there's no reason he can't play to NRL standard. Just like Willie Tonga. And unlike Tonga, Ben Smith isn't 30 yet.

Pretty sure all (most) of Smith's tries were from kicks into the in goal.
 

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I agree but he will take a year to adapt to the backrow and to get over his injuries over the last couple of years.

It will take him a year to adapt to any position, considering he's only played 23 games in three years. He still doesn't know how to play centre.
 

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Wow some of use have Kelly before Sandow.
Kelly did nothing to impress me.Maybe the worse guy ive seen in the 7 for our club
 

caylo

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It will take him a year to adapt to any position, considering he's only played 23 games in three years. He still doesn't know how to play centre.

I disagree, he was a damaging centre but obviously had plenty to learn. Loko is similar to T.Williams or Jennings in that they have the physical aspect but he needs a bit more of the footy brain to know when to pass or come back on the inside etc.

Jennings has refined his game from a couple of years ago and it has made him a much improved player while Williams has not and he is easier to shut down because of it.
 

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I disagree, he was a damaging centre but obviously had plenty to learn.

'Damaging' just goes to show what type of player he is - he is useless on the defensive side of the ball. At least for a centre.

If his best attribute is that he's a damaging ball runner (and I agree it is) then he could be just as effective (actually moreso) on the wing or at edge forward, since they are in a better position to make hit ups than centres.

And if he moved in closer (at edge forward) his lack of lateral movement would be less of a hindrance and his size and strength would be more of an asset in defence.

Loko is similar to T.Williams or Jennings in that they have the physical aspect but he needs a bit more of the footy brain to know when to pass or come back on the inside etc.

Jennings has refined his game from a couple of years ago and it has made him a much improved player while Williams has not and he is easier to shut down because of it.

You're still thinking just in terms of attack. What about their defence?

Jennings a lot smaller and more agile than Williams or Loko, and therefore his one-on-one defence is much better. Which is why he is a representative class centre and the other two are not even up to first grade at the position (although coaches have tried).
 

caylo

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You're still thinking just in terms of attack. What about their defence?

Jennings a lot smaller and more agile than Williams or Loko, and therefore his one-on-one defence is much better. Which is why he is a representative class centre and the other two are not even up to first grade at the position (although coaches have tried).

No I'm not, I talked about them physically being up to NRL standard both in offence and defense. What Loko lacks is the same as what Tony Williams still lacks and jennings used to lack and that is reading of the game and decision making.

Loko is actually a good defender technically and his lateral movement isn't terrible but he does have a problem making good decisions which can make him a liability in pressure situations in both attack and defense. It could mean he runs an inside line rather then an outside line costing a try or it could mean he jams in instead of sliding. Now a lot of this can be learnt but will take time but it doesn't mean he is a horrible centre it just means until he does develop the mental aspect he will only be a 7/10 player rather then a 9/10 player.

Now on a second note, Loko would be a terrible winger. If he was to move to the wing he would just be a battering ram like Grothe became at the end of his career and his defensive issues would still be problematic and maybe worse because is has never played as a winger through his junior career. Loko does not have explosive speed of the great finishing ability of most wingers these days and he would be exposed. For me Loko is destined to be a backrower with his ability to go around or through players in traffic and offload. Although similar to being in the centre it will take time to adapt to the lines he would run because they are slightly different and he will have to learn to run more inside the outside a play.
 

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No I'm not, I talked about them physically being up to NRL standard both in offence and defense. What Loko lacks is the same as what Tony Williams still lacks and jennings used to lack and that is reading of the game and decision making.

I reckon Loko and Williams also lack agility.

Loko is actually a good defender technically and his lateral movement isn't terrible but he does have a problem making good decisions which can make him a liability in pressure situations in both attack and defense. It could mean he runs an inside line rather then an outside line costing a try or it could mean he jams in instead of sliding. Now a lot of this can be learnt but will take time but it doesn't mean he is a horrible centre it just means until he does develop the mental aspect he will only be a 7/10 player rather then a 9/10 player.

I agree he could improve his defence by learning the position, but just like Tony Williams he would be better off moving to a position where he is better suited physically and learning that position.

Now on a second note, Loko would be a terrible winger. If he was to move to the wing he would just be a battering ram like Grothe became at the end of his career and his defensive issues would still be problematic and maybe worse because is has never played as a winger through his junior career.

How many NRL wingers played wing as juniors? f**k all I reckon. Wingers just aren't important enough in lower grade football for coaches to worry about playing their best players (i.e. the ones likely to become first graders) at wing.

Loko does not have explosive speed of the great finishing ability of most wingers these days and he would be exposed.

Well he is currently being used as a battering ram at centre, so he may as well move to the wing where the high workload won't impact his defence. Centres make two or three times as many tackles as wingers, so you don't want to wear them out with hit ups.

But I agree Loko would also have defensive issues (vs kicks) on the wing. He is better off moving infield.

For me Loko is destined to be a backrower with his ability to go around or through players in traffic and offload. Although similar to being in the centre it will take time to adapt to the lines he would run because they are slightly different and he will have to learn to run more inside the outside a play.

Agreed. He would have to learn the position but at least he is already suited there physically.
 

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You're talking about attacking ability, and yet Ben Smith is in your starting pack?

I was talking more about Hayne, Sandow, Norman, hoppa etc

I remember Ben smith being a decent threat in the air and he has a good little pass on him.
 

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I think we need to remember Ualesi in all this. He's proven he has the work-rate in both attack and defence to be a big part of our pack next year.
 
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