Ideal team/city representation if comp was starting from scratch first few year

[Timmah]

Yes I got that, just saying in this world of hypotheticals if you only had originally two NRL clubs in Sydney would they be the size of the massive sports clubs of the world? Could you be getting 60k crowds for those two clubs, or would the small number of clubs mean that NRL in Sydney wasnt that strong as it was too geographically distant with just two centralised clubs? Swans with relatively minor sporting interest have drawn 35k plus as they were the only team in town for that code.

Yet the second team, despite success, has failed to fire.

There's no hard and fast rule here is kind of the point I guess.

Now head over to the SL forum and apologise for lying

 

[Perth Red]

Yet the second team, despite success, has failed to fire.

There's no hard and fast rule here is kind of the point I guess.

Now head over to the SL forum and apologise for lying

It took Swans a long time to build their fanbase up into regular attendances and AFL isnt that well supported in Sydney so no surprise adding another team there has hardly hit the ground running. Its a good example of too many teams in one city in ratio to interest for that sport. Like adding a second NRL team to Melbourne, why would you?

 

[Timmah]

It took Swans a long time to build their fanbase up into regular attendances and AFL isnt that well supported in Sydney so no surprise adding another team there has hardly hit the ground running. Its a good example of too many teams in one city in ratio to interest for that sport. Like adding a second NRL team to Melbourne, why would you?

In another thread on this same board you're arguing that the Swans built up support quickly when they did well.

Why would that then not hold true for GWS?

 

[The Great Dane]

In another thread on this same board you're arguing that the Swans built up support quickly when they did well.

Why would that then not hold true for GWS?

It almost certainly would hold true that if GWS went through a successful period that their support would grow significantly as a response.

What would be really interesting would be to see whether or not the Swans support would reduce in relation to the amount that GWS’s increased, cause that would tell us a lot about the nature of support for the AFL clubs in Sydney.

 

[Timmah]

It almost certainly would hold true that if GWS went through a successful period that their support would grow significantly as a response.

What would be really interesting would be to see whether or not the Swans support would reduce in relation to the amount that GWS’s increased, cause that would tell us a lot about the nature of support for the AFL clubs in Sydney.

GWS are going through a successful period, they made the finals for the third successive season but in 2018 their home crowd average dipped by 1,300 per game - to be just 11,913. That's even less than the Gold Coast, and their aggregate of 131,047 is not just less than all 17 other AFL clubs, but all 16 NRL clubs as well.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

NRL Telstra Premiership

QLD
North QLD Cowboys (NQ Stadium)
Redcliffe Dolphins (Dolphin Oval with derbies and major rivalries at Suncorp)
Brisbane (Suncorp)
Ipswich Jets (Botique 20k stadium at Ipswich)
Gold Coast Titans (Robina)

NZ
Auckland Warriors
NZ Orcas (based out of either Wellington but doing the job that the warriors currently do and repping the whole country (except Auckland in this case))

NSW
Newcastle Knights
North Sydney (based in and representing the entire North Sydney area - playing out of Allianz)
Sydney (Allianz - representing the Eastern Suburbs)
South Sydney (based at Redfern, playing out of WSS)
St George Illawarra Dragons (based at Wollongong, playing at WIN)
Canterbury Bulldogs (based at Belmore playing out of WSS)
Parramatta Eels (based and playing out of WSS)

Rest of Australia
Melbourne
Perth
Canberra
Adelaide

NRL Intrust Super Cup (Fully Professional 2nd Division - no direct P&R)
Central QLD
Sunshine Coast
North Brisbane
East Brisbane
South Brisbane-Logan
Wynnum Manly
PNG Hunters
Fiji
Toowoomba Mustangs
Tweed Seagulls
Balmain Tigers
Cronulla Sharks
Manly Sea Eagles
Penrith Panthers
Western Sydney Magpies
Newtown Jets

 

[titoelcolombiano]

@Stallion 's list:

North Sydney Bears
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles
South Sydney Rabbitohs
Eastern Suburbs Roosters
Cronulla Sutherland Sharks
St George Dragons
Illawarra Steelers
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs
Parramatta Eels
Balmain Tigers
Western Suburbs Magpies
Canberra Raiders
Glebe
University
Newcastle Knights
Cumberland
Annandale
Newtown Jets

 

[The Great Dane]

GWS are going through a successful period, they made the finals for the third successive season but in 2018 their home crowd average dipped by 1,300 per game - to be just 11,913. That's even less than the Gold Coast, and their aggregate of 131,047 is not just less than all 17 other AFL clubs, but all 16 NRL clubs as well.

I meant successful like win a comp and look like they could win a few more successful.

By the way I imagine that a good chunk of those crowd numbers were in Canberra and not Sydney as well.

 

[Stallion]

@Stallion 's list:

North Sydney Bears
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles
South Sydney Rabbitohs
Eastern Suburbs Roosters
Cronulla Sutherland Sharks
St George Dragons
Illawarra Steelers
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs
Parramatta Eels
Balmain Tigers
Western Suburbs Magpies
Canberra Raiders
Glebe
University
Newcastle Knights
Cumberland
Annandale
Newtown Jets

At least use some appropriate imaginative club names in your ridicule! For instance: East Sydney Roosters, Balmain Campbelltown Tigers, West Coast Magpies or Pirates, Sydney University , Central Coast Bears. Their's some exotic names to get you proactive disingenuous guys going! Have fun!Oh I forgot the Brisbane Dolphins! And Adelaide Dingos!

 

[Perth Red]

In another thread on this same board you're arguing that the Swans built up support quickly when they did well.

Why would that then not hold true for GWS?

Errr because there is already a successful afl club in the city soaking up what interest there is for the sport, pretty obvious I’d have thought.

 

[Timmah]

I meant successful like win a comp and look like they could win a few more successful.

By the way I imagine that a good chunk of those crowd numbers were in Canberra and not Sydney as well.

Swans didn't need a competition win to jump into the 20-25k average range in '86-'87.

All you've really done here is prove my point that each sport is different, unique.

 

[The Great Dane]

Swans didn't need a competition win to jump into the 20-25k average range in '86-'87.

All you've really done here is prove my point that each sport is different, unique.

True, but the Swans didn’t have direct commercial competition like GWS does.

GWS probably won’t have a good growth spurt until they are a more attractive option then the Swans, so unless the Swans crap out that means they need premierships, or at least to really compete for them.

 

[Timmah]

True, but the Swans didn’t have direct commercial competition like GWS does.

GWS probably won’t have a good growth spurt until they are a more attractive option then the Swans, so unless the Swans crap out that means they need premierships, or at least to really compete for them.

I don't believe GWS will ever reach the heights of the Swans, but we're getting a bit too off course for this argument to continue down this path anyway.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

At least use some appropriate imaginative club names in your ridicule! For instance: East Sydney Roosters, Balmain Campbelltown Tigers, West Coast Magpies or Pirates, Sydney University , Central Coast Bears. Their's some exotic names to get you proactive disingenuous guys going! Have fun!Oh I forgot the Brisbane Dolphins! And Adelaide Dingos!

Your proposed name changes show disrespect to longstanding traditional clubs with widespread support throughout the country.

 

[Marlins]

Nqld Cowboys
North Brisbane Dolphins
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast Titans

Newcastle Knights
Manly Central Coast Sea Eagles
South Sydney Rabbitohs
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs
Western Sydney Eels
Penrith Panthers
St.Geroge Sutherland Shire Dragons
Illawarra Steelers

Canberra Raiders
Melbourne Storm
North Melbourne Bears
Easts’ Adelaide Roosters
West Coasts Sharks
South Perth Lions

Auckland Warriors
South Island Orcas

 

[T-Boon]

Swans didn't need a competition win to jump into the 20-25k average range in '86-'87.

One thing the Swans do is target their area well. The players seem to represent the area, though for the most part they are from elsewhere. For example the are well spoken, they could easily be mistaken for locals who went to university and have jobs in finance etc...whereas the Roosters players just seem to be labourers and other such dopes uprooted and planted in that area.
I find it weird that the Roosters players actually seem to speak worse than the average NRL player. Their articulation of English seems below average for NRL. For example Mitchell Pearce spoke ok as a high school kid and now speaks fairly well at the Knights but whilst at the Roosters it was like he spoke another language. The culture there is the opposite of what it should be.

 

[Diesel]

Pretty much what @MrE_Assassin is saying;

6 Sydney teams (including Northern Sydney, Southern/Illawarra and Western Sydney)
Newcastle
Canberra
4 QLD teams (3 in SE QLD Broncos, Brisbane 2, GC) & Cowboys
Perth
Melbourne Storm
Adelaide
2 NZ teams (Warriors +1)

Gives 17 teams and opens another place for a QLD/PNG/NT combined bid, Brothers NRL bid based in QLD or even a Combined PI team which would be either QLD or NSW based

 

[BuderusIsaBeast]

North/East Sydney
South Sydney
Western Sydney (Parramatta)
Far Western Sydney (Penrith/Campbeltown)
South Coast (Wollongong)
Newcastle
Brisbane 1
Brisbane 2
Gold Coast
North Queensland
Melbourne
Canberra
Perth
Adelaide
Auckland
Christchurch

 

[The Great Dane]

I don't believe GWS will ever reach the heights of the Swans, but we're getting a bit too off course for this argument to continue down this path anyway.

I doubt that GWS will ever get as big as the Swans as well, but they don't have to reach their heights to be competitive with them...

 

[MugaB]

20 teams for me no need to start from scratch either, just hone in on where your games are in regards to venues, all these team lists are great but they forget the country areas of NSW and QLD, where support is high, but lacks games in scheduling and promotion

For me it would go 4 conferences of 5 teams each, into 24 rounds where you verse everyone once, then twice vs whoevers in your conference. (this builds up more rivalries within closer areas)
also a heritage round (a round vs inception clubs, ie cronulla vs penrith, parra vs manly, nth qld vs auckland etc)
Most clubs would fit this criteria and its another good way to honor expansion, by stating " in the 1947 manly and parra entered"
Or "1995 saw these 2 teams enter, cowboys v warriors" and also wear their old jumpers, a proper heritage round every year during a long weekend (maybe easter) will get some proper nostalgia in the game, it has been really half-assed in recent years and there needs more attention back to it, plus jersey sales are a plus for old school kit

Northern conference=
North Qld Cowboys.
Sunshine Coast Dolphins. (falcons+redcliffe)
Brisbane Broncos.
South Qld Titans (travels South Qld)
Newcastle Knights.

Eastern Conference=
Auckland Warriors.
Central Coast Bears.
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles.
Eastern Sydney Roosters.
Cronulla Sutherland Sharks.

Southern Conference=
South Sydney Rabbitohs.
St.George Illawarra Dragons.
Canberra Raiders.
Melbourne Storm.
Adelaide Rams?

Western Conference=
Perth Western Reds?
Great Western Panthers (travels West NSW)
Parramatta Eels
Western Sydney Tigers
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs

Venues & some Name change for the teams=

SOUTH QUEENSLAND Titans=
remain in Gold Coast, for only 8 games, the remaining 4 home games & 2 pre-season trials are in Toowoomba, Ipswich, and Logan.

GREATER WESTERN Panthers=
remain in Penrith, for only 8 games, the remaining 4 home games & 2 pre-season trials are in Bathurst, Orange & Dubbo

ST.GEORGE ILLAWARRA Dragons=
Also have 8 games in Wollongong, remaining 4 home and 2 pre-season trial games at kogarah

CENTRAL COAST Bears=
have 10 home games in Gosford, remaining 2 home & 2 trials at NSO

SOUTH SYDNEY Rabbitohs=
10 games at ANZ, 2 home+2 trials at Redfern

CRONULLA SUTHERLAND Sharks=
11 games at cronulla, 1 home and 2 trials at Henson Park

CANTERBURY BANKSTOWN Bulldogs=
8 games at ANZ, 4 home and 2 trials at Belmore Oval

WESTERN SYDNEY Tigers=
8 games at WSS, 4 home and 2 trials at
Campbelltown & Balmain

CANBERRA Raiders=
11 games at canberra, 1 home at Seiffert Oval and 2 trials in Goulburn & Wagga Wagga

MELBOURNE Storm=
10 games in Melbourne, 2 home & 2 trials at Hobart, Geelong & Albury

AUCKLAND Warriors
10 games in Auckland, 2 home & 2 trials in Wellington, Christchurch, Nelson & Hamilton

NORTH QUEENSLAND Cowboys
10 games in Townsville, 2 home & 2 trials in Cairns, Rockhampton & Mackay

PARRAMATTA Eels=
10 games in WSS, 2 home & 2 trials in
Mudgee & Darwin

MANLY WARRINGAH Sea Eagles
8 games in Brookvale, 4 home & 2 trials in Coffs Harbour, Byron Bay & Lismore

NEWCASTLE Knights
10 games in Newcastle, 2 home & 2 trials in Port Macquarie & Tamworth

SUNSHINE COAST Dolphins
6 games on sunshine coast, 6 home & 2 trials in Redcliffe and Suncorp

BRISBANE Broncos=
11 at Suncorp, 1 home and 2 trials in PNG

EASTERN SYDNEY Roosters=
11 at Allianz , 1 home and 2 trials in FIJI

Perth, Adelaide not sure on their number of locations, but 12 at their home ground would be smart for a few years then they can travel a home and trials to new areas that want a game.

Pre Season Trials will also feature teams from local area and lower grades reserves vs the team featuring there, not all teams need to verse each other to make sure they have 2 trial games

Done without culling or starting fresh
They can do this starting in the next tv deal, also add in 4 more teams in future to total 24 as the conferences split them up to north, south, east and west divisions, and as a fan you'd only need follow your local conference ladder, but can watch every team vs each other, and twice a year within your conference

Add in PNG, FIJI, NZ2 and/or maybe NT & TAS in 10-20 years time and move newcastle to the east conf. and cronulla to the south conf. and adelaide to the west conf. to accommodate the new teams, im sure there is more ideas to shuffle the ladder around.
I wouldn't add more Qld teams after this unless a few sydney teams fall over..
They'll probaby have to change the name of NRL to SPRL (south pacific rugby league) hehe