QLD doesn't need another team

[avocado]

Adelaide Broncos.

You know it makes sense.

 

[beave]

Adelaide Broncos.

You know it makes sense.

i have zero problem with this.

 

[nick87]

QLD does need another team and it needs to be based out of Brisbane.
Broncos be damned. That market is DOMINATED by RL, and it's a joke that it's only given one franchise. It will take some time, but from my limited experience in that god forsaken town, there is enough people in that city who f**king HATE the broncos, who'd support them

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

We need another Queensland team so they can lock up the bottom four spots

According to this logic Melbourne should have another 2 or 3 teams. Maybe a new team at Potts Point or Vaucluse?

People who live at Potts Point or Vaucluse already support the Roosters, especially the working poor and the unemployed in those suburbs.

 

[Burwood]

Next thing you know, the NRL will try to implement some bizarre finals system where teams running outside the top 8 are given a bonus chance of making it into the finals. They’ll probably name it something bullshit like “wildcard round”.

 

[ReddFelon]

They actually don't. Both arguments for a second Queensland team fall flat; if it's another composite Brisbane team that plays out of Suncorp what attracts people to them who weren't already Broncos fans? If it's an upjumped QRL team, who supports them outside of their local area and that's assuming those fans don't already follow an existing team.

Real expansion needs to happen outside areas that already have access to regular top-flight games. Queensland already has 3 teams.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Crushers averaged 21k in 1995 before the SL rot set in. For context, the Broncos averaged 35.9k that year... and that was 24 years ago. There is plenty of room for a second NRL team in Brisbane and it is long overdue.

 

[ReddFelon]

Crushers averaged 21k in 1995 before the SL rot set in. For context, the Broncos averaged 35.9k that year... and that was 24 years ago. There is plenty of room for a second NRL team in Brisbane and it is long overdue.

But that was a team formed a few years after the Broncos when the BRL/anti-broncos crowd was in full swing. Now you'd be entering a market with people who are 32 and under who would've always been Broncos fans.

The closest comparison to the Broncos and a second Brisbane team is with the AFL, specifically West Coast and Fremantle or the Crows and Port.

In both cases the composite team that undercut the local state comp had a rival show up who represented the state comp (Fremantle/Port Adelaide). But the rival team showed up a few years after the initial composite team. This new team would be showing up 3 decades later, are there really all these pissed off people in Brisbane who follow League, hate the Broncos and are somehow willing to support this newly created team? The presence of St George and Souths fans across North Queensland despite the Cowboys seems to suggest that people aren't as willing to switch teams, certainly not in heartland areas where people already care about the sport.

 

[Perth Red]

They actually don't. Both arguments for a second Queensland team fall flat; if it's another composite Brisbane team that plays out of Suncorp what attracts people to them who weren't already Broncos fans? If it's an upjumped QRL team, who supports them outside of their local area and that's assuming those fans don't already follow an existing team.

Real expansion needs to happen outside areas that already have access to regular top-flight games. Queensland already has 3 teams.

They said the same thing when they propsoed a second AFL team for Perth, turns out there were alot of people who didnt follow the incumbent team and who jumped on an alternative. I see no reason Brisbane wouldnt be the same. We've got nine teams in a city that is pretty ambivalent to the game and one team in a city thats mad for it. Makes no sense.

 

[siv]

I would add Brisbane II and the Bears

Then cull the comp back to 14 when all 4 Qld teams are bottom 4

 

[Mr Angry]

QLDs 4th team is easily leading the comp.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

But that was a team formed a few years after the Broncos when the BRL/anti-broncos crowd was in full swing. Now you'd be entering a market with people who are 32 and under who would've always been Broncos fans.

The closest comparison to the Broncos and a second Brisbane team is with the AFL, specifically West Coast and Fremantle or the Crows and Port.

In both cases the composite team that undercut the local state comp had a rival show up who represented the state comp (Fremantle/Port Adelaide). But the rival team showed up a few years after the initial composite team. This new team would be showing up 3 decades later, are there really all these pissed off people in Brisbane who follow League, hate the Broncos and are somehow willing to support this newly created team? The presence of St George and Souths fans across North Queensland despite the Cowboys seems to suggest that people aren't as willing to switch teams, certainly not in heartland areas where people already care about the sport.

I see what you are saying mate but for some reason the Broncs have never had the whole city buy into them. Originally because of the BRL thing then because of SuperLeague. There honestly is a huge appetite here for a second NRL team. Even if they are people's second team behind their original Sydney team they will draw and rate well. If the Lions and Reds can average 20k then the second NRL team will beat that. Here are a list of home games at Suncorp that will (even with these conservative figures) ensure that they average at least 25k right off the bat:

v Broncos 45 - 50k
v Cowboys 30 - 35k
v Storm 30 - 35k
v Titans 25 - 30k
v Warriors 25 - 30k (more if the Warriors are travelling well)
v Dragons 25 - 30k

If they manage to pull 20k average for their remaining 6 games (pretty low bar), then you have a team averaging 25k.

Of course the team needs to be relatively competitive and there are other variables, but it is more likely to do well than not, it is instantly the second, maybe third highest averaging club for crowds which pulls the NRL crowd average up, plus it gives TV a weekly match in Brisbane which is desireable to them which can be used as leverage at the negotiating table.

 

[ReddFelon]

They said the same thing when they propsoed a second AFL team for Perth, turns out there were alot of people who didnt follow the incumbent team and who jumped on an alternative. I see no reason Brisbane wouldnt be the same. We've got nine teams in a city that is pretty ambivalent to the game and one team in a city thats mad for it. Makes no sense.

The difference with the Perth second AFL team is both the timing and the identity. Fremantle were first suggested as a merger between South Freo and East Freo. Even when that idea was thrown out the WAFC kept a lot of the ideas behind that to keep people who supported the initial idea onside. There's still folks today who think East Freo and South Freo own the Dockers.

The Dockers were launched 8 years after the Eagles. This new Brisbane team would be launched 33 years after the Broncos? Assuming it's a composite. If it's a location based one like Redcliffe then it's over before it begins because people from Ipswich, Logan, etc. Aren't going to get behind Redcliffe.

 

[flippikat]

QLDs 4th team is easily leading the comp.

Yep. The good old 'Far South Queensland Storm'.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The difference with the Perth second AFL team is both the timing and the identity. Fremantle were first suggested as a merger between South Freo and East Freo. Even when that idea was thrown out the WAFC kept a lot of the ideas behind that to keep people who supported the initial idea onside. There's still folks today who think East Freo and South Freo own the Dockers.

The Dockers were launched 8 years after the Eagles. This new Brisbane team would be launched 33 years after the Broncos? Assuming it's a composite. If it's a location based one like Redcliffe then it's over before it begins because people from Ipswich, Logan, etc. Aren't going to get behind Redcliffe.

I'm not sure how you can say that for sure. The Dolphins will play at Suncorp (as any Brisbane 2 bid should) and will draw fans from everywhere. Very few people identify with a team because they live in the suburb named after it.

I currently live in Logan and am keen for Brisbane 2 no matter which bid it is, the location of their leagues club makes no difference to me. Many non-Bronco RL fans will feel the same way.

 

[Travitoh]

Adelaide Broncos.

You know it makes sense.

I would rather we got the Titans. Having the Crows is bad enough!

 

[Perth Red]

The difference with the Perth second AFL team is both the timing and the identity. Fremantle were first suggested as a merger between South Freo and East Freo. Even when that idea was thrown out the WAFC kept a lot of the ideas behind that to keep people who supported the initial idea onside. There's still folks today who think East Freo and South Freo own the Dockers.

The Dockers were launched 8 years after the Eagles. This new Brisbane team would be launched 33 years after the Broncos? Assuming it's a composite. If it's a location based one like Redcliffe then it's over before it begins because people from Ipswich, Logan, etc. Aren't going to get behind Redcliffe.

I don’t see the time gap matters. Looking at Broncos crowds and membership there is a stack of RL fans in Brisbane not backing them. I agree a location based one will be a poor outcome. Has to represents a large swath of Brisbane and play out of Suncorp every game.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

i have zero problem with this.

Seychelles Broncos would be better.....

 

[Diesel]

Being a Brisbane local, there’s a lot of anti-Broncos attitude out there. Broncos have shat on a lot of people and organisations. Also there’s a lot of sponsorship opportunities available here too

 

[T-Boon]

Being a Brisbane local, there’s a lot of anti-Broncos attitude out there. Broncos have shat on a lot of people and organisations.

Jimmy McGill calls that a Brisbane sunroof.