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2nd Ashes Test: Australia v England @ The Gabba Thu Dec 4-8, 2025

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I see the quotes from McCullum and Stokes, and I almost feel like 5-0 is what’s needed… perhaps in under 15 days…. The unwillingness to entertain other views or criticism is astonishing…
Yep kinda backed themselves into corner. Whatever style they play, if they lose, they’ll be hated. If they change their style and win, English media will be vindicated and asking why they needed McCullum at all. If they don’t change and win, they are only vindicated for as long as they win and even then they’ll still be hated.
 

Bazal

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Their arrogance is going to f**k them, even with their own fans.

They aren't even playing any of the Test side in the PMs XI....a pink ball game under lights a week before a pink ball Test under lights and a week after they lost inside two days.

We're still inconsistent enough to lose at the Gabba but far out they carry on like god's gift to cricket
 

mozza91

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Baz has always been a self righteous wanker and Stokes is obviously in the same mould. But surely the board or whoever is in charge should take control here.
 

King-Gutho94

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I just love the fact the English Media are now turning on them

England’s arrogance and entitlement is becoming off-putting​

Refusal to explain snub of day-night practice match before second Test and ‘keep the faith’ message are insulting the intelligence of fans

It is not the value attached to vibes, or “camaraderie” as Brendon McCullum prefers to call it, that I find most bewildering about this England team. It is not even the fact that, with a 12-day break between Tests, they would rather luxuriate by the Queensland coast than send their bungling batsmen to Canberra for a pink-ball match, their one chance of exposure to the day-night setting before facing Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins under the lights in Brisbane. It is the idea that, even when taking a decision incomprehensible to those outside the Bazball bubble, they feel no need to explain themselves to anyone.

“Keep the faith”: that was McCullum’s message to fans after England’s Perth debacle. They might have a little faith if the head coach or his captain deigned to unpack the logic of their laissez-faire approach, which involves spurning any practice of a format in which Australia have won 13 of 14 Tests. Even before an infamous two-day defeat, the talk was that the Gabba would pose England’s most daunting challenge, with Starc – taker of a staggering 74 wickets with the pink ball, 39 better than the next best bowler – swinging it around corners. Now that the stakes are even higher, with a 2-0 deficit surely terminal to any hope of regaining the Ashes, the grand plan for maximising the extra break is to “make sure morale doesn’t drop”.
Impregnable self-belief is not, in itself, a weakness in sport. If harnessed correctly, it can be priceless psychological armour. The problem is that England have no substantive reasons for their refusal to adapt. Ben Stokes, in his first remarks after his side capitulated in Perth, said: “We know the preparation is correct – it works for us.” Does it, though? Last time I checked, the choice to warm up with a game against the Lions on a Lilac Hill featherbed culminated at Perth Stadium in batting so brainless you wondered if half of them had even seen sharp bounce before.

By talking in “trust the process” bromides, they are insulting the intelligence of fans who have moved heaven and earth to come here. There are urgent questions that need to be asked about England’s half-cocked build-up to this series. Why, for example, have there been three years of County Championship experiments with the Kookaburra ball, as a ruse to replicate overseas Test conditions, if England cannot even be bothered to adjust properly to the conditions they face next week? Why did India spend eight days last year training at the WACA, if not to harden themselves for the Perth experience? Whether in Perth or Brisbane, the Bazball approach remains broadly the same: never mind the evidence, feel the energy.

Stokes and McCullum act as if they are on a higher philosophical plane​

In no other major sport would this be sustainable. If Thomas Tuchel took England to next summer’s World Cup without any serious matches in the lead-in, merely a kickabout with the under-21s in Miami, there would be an overwhelming public backlash – especially if his team then lost 3-0 in the opening group game. Similarly, if Steve Borthwick’s players had been dealt a hiding by the Wallabies this autumn, and if he had then fronted the press to declare he would change nothing against the All Blacks, the response, quite rightly, would have been derision.

In cricket, by contrast, we are living through a strange period, where Stokes and McCullum act as if they are operating on some higher philosophical plane, beyond the understanding of anybody not in their coterie. Of all the international teams I have studied up close, there is an arrogance and entitlement about this England side that can be quite off-putting. They give the impression that they are on some divine quest to upend the fundamentals of the game, and that they are free to duck reasonable scrutiny on the grounds that outsiders cannot grasp the magic at work.
This conceit is about to be put to the sternest examination. If England lose in Brisbane, having sent none of their misfiring batsmen to confront a Prime Minister’s XI, the backlash will be instant and severe. Supporters, until now united by gallows humour about the Perth result, will turn against the players they have paid such vast sums of money to follow Down Under. The statistics do not lie: the 11 England players who took to the field in Perth have played 24 pink-ball Tests between them. Australia? 89.

And yet the tourists are too wedded to their sacrosanct methods to ask underperforming stars to address their inexperience.
It is one telling symptom of a wider malaise, where a team puffed up on their own publicity seem now to believe they are unaccountable.

 

Desert Qlder

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In cricket, by contrast, we are living through a strange period, where Stokes and McCullum act as if they are operating on some higher philosophical plane, beyond the understanding of anybody not in their coterie. Of all the international teams I have studied up close, there is an arrogance and entitlement about this England side that can be quite off-putting. They give the impression that they are on some divine quest to upend the fundamentals of the game, and that they are free to duck reasonable scrutiny on the grounds that outsiders cannot grasp the magic at work.


lol
 

King-Gutho94

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Id keep their bowlers

Its the batsmen who let them down badly, and tbh there really isnt anyone you could drop other than Crawley but they probably persist with him, after all Macca did say keep the faith, so you cant be dropping players

Wood an Archer didnt bowl to much plus got a 12 days break, You would think they would be good to go , its pink ball test, and really Poms last chance to make something of this series. 2-0 down, and its basically curtains. No way they winning 3 in a row from there


Yes same 11 please 😁
I want an SOS sent to Bairstow

Made a 100 last time at the SCG.

Couldnt be any worse then the dross dished up in test 1.

Give the Australian Public what they want.

One more crack at Bairstow
 

Fangs

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Balls faced in the 1st test:

Crawley - 11
Root - 18
Stokes - 23

So there is absolutely no value in a hit out against the pink ball? Even if it was just some hit and giggle?

Maybe you could argue Root is in his own class. Stokes workload with his bowling. But Crawley definately could have used a run.

I'd love to know what prep these guys did back in England. They are very certain of themselves after an absolutely terrible batting display.
 

King-Gutho94

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Balls faced in the 1st test:

Crawley - 11
Root - 18
Stokes - 23

So there is absolutely no value in a hit out against the pink ball? Even if it was just some hit and giggle?

Maybe you could argue Root is in his own class. Stokes workload with his bowling. But Crawley definately could have used a run.

I'd love to know what prep these guys did back in England. They are very certain of themselves after an absolutely terrible batting display.
I saw on 7news they had vision of Crawley on the Golf course practicing his golf swing during his day off.

Its the new modern way to prepare for a test match apparently.

Just go play some golf.
 

Fangs

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I saw on 7news they had vision of Crawley on the Golf course practicing his golf swing during his day off.

Its the new modern way to prepare for a test match apparently.

Just go play some golf.

What's with the f**king golf?

Did SA do any warm up matches in India recently? On our last tour of India we skipped ours and the series was over at 0-2. Steve Smith said at the time the warm up games were pointless.

Its always harder to win abroad. Reducing the matches you play might keep you fresher but you risk a slow start surely.
 

TheParraboy

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What's with the f**king golf?

Did SA do any warm up matches in India recently? On our last tour of India we skipped ours and the series was over at 0-2. Steve Smith said at the time the warm up games were pointless.

Its always harder to win abroad. Reducing the matches you play might keep you fresher but you risk a slow start surely.

Dont think NZ did any warm up matches when they went through india 3-0 in tests

That in itself is alarming, and judging how SA are comfortably been on top in 2 tests , could well be India are either on the decline in test cricket or rebuilding stages . They dont have any hard heads in the side any more like Kholi or Ashwin in their prime. Rely too much on Bumrah, and by the looks are picking a lot of flashy players who are delightfull to watch in the IPL (Pujera types long gone)

They are ripe for the taking when we tour there early 2027, right after the BBL 🤩
 

Chins

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Mitchy Marsh's name getting thrown around as an option.......what is wrong with people?
 

Bazal

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Lol if they even mention Marsh when we've got Webster, plus Inglis just tonned up against the Lions (opening), plus Renshaw peeling off Shield runs....

I'd even have Handsome Pete over Big Mitch Darsh
 
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