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08 :: QF3 Sat :: Sea Eagles 38 Dragons 6 @ Brookvale (STG eliminated)

Third Qualifying Final Result :: Sea Eagles v Dragons


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gong_eagle

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Hasler puts no value in Dragons jinx

Greg Prichard | September 13, 2008
http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...1220857835922.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

MANLY coach Des Hasler last night dismissed St George Illawarra's excellent recent record against the Sea Eagles as meaningless and predicted it would be the team that got sick of running into the other first that would lose tonight's third qualifying final at Brookvale Oval.

"The track record will mean stuff-all going into this match," Hasler said. "It's finals football now. For and against, bogy teams … all of that fades into oblivion now. It [Manly's record against the Dragons] hasn't figured in our thinking, and I'm sure it wouldn't have figured in Brownie's [Dragons coach Nathan Brown's] either. He'd be too smart for that. In semi-final football, all the little things count, and that's what will matter tomorrow night.

"It'll be about making good yardage through the forwards, winning the arm wrestle, the quality of the kick and chase, and no unforced errors. Forcing good field position will be critical, and the team that loses the arm wrestle, the one that gets sick of it first, will be the one that falls behind. Both teams have got plenty of players who can do that job, so it's going to be interesting."

St George Illawarra have won seven of the past eight clashes against the Sea Eagles. Manly's only success during that stretch came in their second-most recent meeting, in round 25 of last season, when they won 28-24 at Brookvale. Their only clash this reason resulted in a 20-18 win to the Dragons in round 11, also at Brookvale. Manly have sometimes allowed themselves to be tempted away from their normal game by the Dragons, but it is clear tonight the Sea Eagles intend to concentrate on the style that took them to second place in the regular season and will try to dominate the game through their powerful forwards, before attempting to set their dangerous backs free.

"It'll be a tough game," Hasler said. "Two physical packs going at each other. We let the game slip away when we played them earlier this year, and we can't do that again. They're a dangerous team. They've got experience, in blokes like [Jason] Ryles, [Ben] Hornby, [Matt] Cooper and [Mark] Gasnier, and terrific back-rowers, like [Ben] Creagh and [Lagi] Setu. That [Josh] Morris kid is very good, as well. We've got to be aware of what they're capable of doing.

"But, beyond all that, we've got to concentrate on doing what we do well. We have to make sure we're on our game. Any team that is playing this weekend will be looking to make sure they take care of the middle of the field first. You've got to lay the platform before you think about anything else, and that's what we'll be aiming to do. You've got to play with a lot of intensity at this time of the year."

Five-eighth Jamie Lyon's return from a knee injury for Manly off the bench against Penrith last weekend was timely. The Sea Eagles lost three of the six games they played while he was out.

"Jamie looks terrific," Hasler said. "He's a big-match player and he adds another dimension to our attack. I think he's going to be great for us tomorrow night."

There wasn't much coming out of the St George Illawarra camp yesterday. A spokesman said Brown was yet to decide who would make the cut out of the eight players on the bench.
 

gong_eagle

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Cheers for the Ox and Lyon

September 13, 2008
http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...1220857835931.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

Slings and arrows no longer affect resilient Sea Eagles halves partners Matt Orford and Jamie Lyon, writes Andrew Stevenson.

IT WAS the night the question mark written above Matt Orford's head in pencil for so long was filled in with indelible ink. Manly, playing at home, had Melbourne at their mercy but couldn't put the premiers away.

From the kick-off the Storm played in Orford's face and, every last tackle, they swamped the halfback, whose kicking game fell apart. Afterwards Orford said referee Tony Archer had been calling the Storm defenders offside on the fifth tackle all night but had never once blown a penalty. It didn't matter. Manly had blown the game and blown the chance to regain some measure of mental strength against the Storm.

And the Orford conundrum - where is he when you really need him? - got harder for the halfback known as "Ox" to shake.

Watching from the stands was a player who knows exactly what it's like to live with that sort of monkey on your back. Jamie Lyon, sidelined with a medial ligament tear, also knew how much Orford needed him around.

"It's so hard," said the five-eighth of the challenge of running the show solo. "Every fourth of fifth tackle, they knew he was going to kick so they're going to throw three or four players at him to pressure him.

"I thought he got a lot of good kicks away and a couple of poor ones, just for that fact: he had a lot of people running at him."

Flick forward six weeks. Manly are playing Penrith, and Orford is a changed man. "I had a big smile on my face on Saturday night just having [Lyon] back. He's a great player, and the touches he had we're all class," the captain said.

"He's going to make teams second-guess - wherever I am, well that's not always where the ball's going to be."

Orford, 30, this week won the Dally M player of the year and, even as he left the stage, he knew it wouldn't remove the question mark. That's club football, the critics would reckon: his field of dreams.

If Orford ever needs someone to talk to about it, there's always Lyon. A teenage grand finalist in an Eels side carved up by Andrew Johns, Lyon ran away home to Wee Waa unable to deal with the pressure before a spell in England freshened him up. Last year, he won the inverse Dally M, voted the game's most overrated player by his peers.

"We have a laugh about that, actually," Lyon said. "I don't know whether it's me or him who's got the most [criticism]. But we always seem to be fighting about it. But we just laugh about it. We know what we're capable of and what we've got to do."

He might laugh, but those who know Lyon, 26, know otherwise. "Deep down it hurt him," said Ian Millward, who coached Lyon at St Helens during his Super League sabbatical.

Orford, too, smiles his way through the unrelenting questions about his critics, brushing them aside like water from a sea eagle's back.

Who has the right to question what he's achieved: a $450,000 annual salary to play footy, a grand final outing and player of the year.

It's a long way from the Gosford postie on the verge of quitting the game because he couldn't get a start in first grade.

Jason Taylor blocked his path at the North Sydney Bears and the Northern Eagles for five years, and he remembers Orford on the verge of chucking it all in to deliver the mail.

"Bob Saunders, who was the chief executive, asked me to have a chat to him and tell him to hang in there. And then he ended up taking my spot so I shouldn't have done that, should I?" laughed Taylor.

"I remember telling him, 'You just have to keep at it, you never know what's around the corner.'

"He gets a bit of criticism but, knowing him as I do and knowing he spent a fair bit of time before he got his break, what he's done since he got the opportunity has been really impressive.

"I think if he retired tomorrow he should be really proud of the career he's been able to build for himself."

Lyon didn't just think about quitting. No one could talk him out of going back to the bush after one match for Parramatta in 2004. Although Lyon and Orford debuted within a month of each other in 2000, Lyon took a long time to mature into a leading role in a gun NRL side - despite playing for the Kangaroos as a teenager.

Still, with the Wee Waa boy's awkwardness, Lyon was primarily a centre until he came to Manly. To step into five-eighth, he had to come out of his shell as a man and a player, and Lyon admitted it proved a very tough task last year.

"It wasn't a happy year for me last year," he said. "I hadn't really played much five-eighth before last year, and I guess it took me a full year to get used to it."

Orford saw a different player return this season. "Even in pre-season I knew he was going to have a massive year. He was more vocal in training," the halfback recalled. "He's a fairly quiet sort of fella but he was getting in there, calling the shots."

Lyon said he realised it was just part of the five-eighth's role and credited Orford with teaching him the position.

"'Ox' has been a great help. He's always talking to me, giving me tips and leading me around. I'd have to say he's a big reason why my form's improved compared with last year. I'd have to hold him accountable," he said.

But the consequences of Lyon's personal growth have been huge for both for Orford and Manly, observes Millward, who stepped into the breach as the Cowboys coach this season.

"He has a casual personality, and his career's been built on seizing opportunities on the outside. He's had to change from knowing his role to knowing everyone else's roles," Millward said. "I think Orford's stepped up to another level this year because they've had a genuine seven and six this year who can attack, and their game is not all focused around the dummy-half area. That's their chance, because if their game is focused around dummy-half, Melbourne will strangle them. Now they've got flexibility, with Jamie on an edge and that's why they're a massive threat."
 

gong_eagle

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Manly pack the pick of the NRL: Ryles

September 12, 2008

http://news.leaguehq.com.au/sport/manly-pack-the-pick-of-the-nrl-ryles-20080912-4fe1.html


Dragons prop Jason Ryles has delivered a pre-game compliment to finals foe Manly, labelling their forward pack the most physical in the NRL.
In a slap in the face to minor premiers Melbourne, Ryles said the Sea Eagles now set the NRL benchmark for toughness in the forwards.
But Ryles won't be exchanging any pleasantries on Saturday night at Brookvale Oval as his side must beat the Sea Eagles in their qualifying final to stay alive in 2008.
"Manly are far and away the most physical side that I've played this year, we know what we're in for in that department," said Ryles.
"The early onslaught will definitely be tough and then we need to get into the groove of the game.
"They don't really have many weaknesses over the park which indicates their position on the table."
Ryles' endorsement is matched in the stats with Manly rated No.1 in the NRL for most metres gained (1391.5m) and least metres conceded (1187.5m), proving they typically win the forwards battle.
But winning the war up front isn't the only factor, as the Dragons proved at Brookvale Oval in round 11 this year.
They overcame less possession, metres gained, penalties and linebreaks to post a 20-18 upset of the Sea Eagles.
Manly are only too aware the Dragons have a strong record over them in recent seasons, winning nine of their past 12 clashes, but are not daunted by history.
Halfback Matt Orford, who collected his first Dally M Medal on Tuesday night, believes the Sea Eagles are well-placed to improve on last year's grand final loss to Melbourne.
Orford says his combination with former Test star Jamie Lyon, who is one week back from a knee injury, is ready to pay dividends in the finals.
"We've just got to become more unpredictable and it probably gives me a free rein," said Orford.
"Jamie will obviously take a fair bit of heat off me and if we can sort of keep teams guessing, well that's want we want to do in this finals series."
The Dragons have had their own halves dramas this season and it wouldn't surprise Manly if Jamie Soward (back injury) is reinstated to the starting line up at the expense of five-eighth Ben Rogers.
While it is a must-win clash for the Dragons, a Sea Eagles loss would not kill their 2008 season as their top two finish guaranteed their week one safety net.
It would also give departing veteran Steve Menzies a chance to bring up 350 games if Manly reaches the grand final.
But Lyon says Manly will be hunting the week off and direct passage to a Sydney preliminary final that comes with a victory on Saturday night.
"You want to win every game that you play and you don't want to go into big semi-finals with a loss under your belt so hopefully we can get a good win on Saturday night," said Lyon.
"I think it's a bit of an advantage and gets you to freshen up and get your mind on the job."
© 2008 AAP
 

Gaba

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Can't see manly getting near the dragons to be honest , still going with my first prediction dragons by 13+ , dragons will have the game won at half time
 

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Timmah

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Very close poll atm... 28 votes each.

This game should be a cracker, can't wait to get to Brookie!
 

Gaba

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Heard the big bets are coming in for the dragons , dont be surprise if sportstab suspend the betting :)
 
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cupid

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Fire up Eagles!!, If we lose this game we will be most likely be playing Brisbane in Brisbane, C'mon win this game to save ourselves a few less heart attacks.
 

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