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09 R4 :: Mon 7pm :: Raiders 23 Cowboys 18 @ Canberra

Round 4 :: Raiders/Cowboys


  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .

Paullyboy

Coach
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Not sure how Shillo got 2 points in the Dally M. Campo was definately our best, I think TLL was probably 2nd best and a Cowboy probably deserves a point - not sure who though.
 

Canard

Immortal
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35,796
Good win by the Raiders. That brings me up to 4/8 for this weeks tips.

Well, 1 from 4 looks bad on paper but, it could easily have been 2/4 considering how lucky Parramatta were against you last round.

Sorry, one more thing.....is TLL a Queenslander? If so, that's a shame. He's a giant!

Pretty sure he is actually is eligible for NSW, just his Broncos background confuses his past.
 

Charlie124

First Grade
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8,509
Dissapointing result but well done to the Raiders, we just didnt show up tonight, i really dont think ive seen a worse opening 15 minutes to a game that ours tonight. Didnt recover from it.
 

Pete Cash

Post Whore
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62,165
He is from Tamworth and a few years ago he had a brilliant game just before he injured himself and I think. The media were talking him up as a future rep player and I am sure that he thought he was qualified to play for Queensland, but he was actually NSW.
 

Paullyboy

Coach
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10,473
This became a big issue after he ran riot against the Cowboys 3 years ago up in Townsville. I still dont remember seeing a Raiders forward put on a more dominant display than he did that night, unfortunately injury struck and I haven't seen him go close since. Tonight showed he still has the potential to get back to that destructive best.

As for the origin debate I'm sure he said in an interview he wants to play for Queensland, if that's the case than than NSW shouldn't even consider him (and QLD probably should if he puts a few more games together - but only after he proves he's back to form)
 

Pete Cash

Post Whore
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62,165
Yeah, but he can't just go well I think I'm a Queenslander. He is from NSW. If he plays for Queensland I will go on some crazed rage.
 

Daddycool

Juniors
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513
He was a junior from Farrar Agricultural in Tamworth I think.
Well if that's the case, NSW could certainly use him. Along with Campese and Monaghan, that should make 3 Raiders in the State side.

However, you do look to be in need of a good halfback. What are the chances of bringing Michael Monaghan back home?
 

Downie

Guest Moderator
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1,038
Was pretty bloody cold but a decent game nonetheless. Dugan looked a good prospect. Cowboys were rubbish, constant inside balls aren't going to win you games. They only looked dangerous when they started going wide with Bowen joining in right at the end. Silly play by the Raiders winger to let in that last try though, his inside man had the centre covered.
 
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I haven't seen a team slow the play the ball down as much as the cowboys did tonight. Kaffusi basically fell asleep on the player after the tackle.

The Cows could have been penalised 3-4 tackles in every set for laying round in the tackle. Refs aren't game to do it though. Looks like the sin bin is almost non-existent too this year.
 

skeepe

Immortal
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48,316
The Cows could have been penalised 3-4 tackles in every set for laying round in the tackle. Refs aren't game to do it though. Looks like the sin bin is almost non-existent too this year.

Agreed. The officiating was plain disgusting to put it mildly. I'm not talking about 50/50 calls either, which by their nature can go for or against you.

As an example I'll use the very last play of the game. Thankfully it didn't have any bearing on the outcome, but it could have... it was an absolute shocker by all involved.

Campese gets the ball, it's tackle 5 with about 20 seconds left. He kicks the ball straight into ground, it bounces up and out. The touch judge is not paying attention, doesn't see that the ball has hit the ground first, and calls it out on the full. That's bad decision one, and could have cost the Raiders by giving the Cowboys 15-20 extra metres and at least one play. I say at least one play because that's what it should have been... and this leads me to bad decision number two. Not content with the touch judge's error, Archer compounds it by ordering a scrum. Incorrect. If the ball is deemed to be kicked out on the full on the 5th tackle, it is a handover where the ball is kicked, so the correct call after the first bad decision would have been a Cowboys play the ball.

Now thankfully, there was no further play and these two elementary errors didn't effect the outcome... but they could have. Please don't take this as a whinge, I'm generally extremely concerned about the competency of our elected officials. These aren't mistakes where they could have gone either way, they are elementary errors in law that should not happen.

Another was the use of the sin bin. If Steve Lyons is convinced David Milne deserved to be binned last week, how in God's name did the exact same referee not deem Luke O'Donnell's offence to be at least worthy of the same punishment?

But those are the negatives. The positive is that we finally got a win, although it was by no means pretty in that second half. The Raiders just can't seem to go for the full 80 minutes at the moment, and that's a concern. Once they have that though, watch out. Campese is in electrifying form - the most dominant player in the competition at present I think Greg Alexander said - and Jarrod Croker is certainly one for the future... then you've got Dugan, Carney, Monaghan, Phil Graham's set to return soon... wow. And the forward pack... Logan looked like he's got another 5 years left in him, and when Tom Learoyd-Lahrs hits his straps he's the hardest man in the game to stop.
 

Pete Cash

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That last play was 50-50 in the sense there was something to annoy both sets of supporters :lol:

On one hand you have the touchie somehow calling a ball going out on the full ??

On the other hand you have a ref forgetting the rules and costing the Cowboys one last go at it (they would have had one last play from a quick play the ball, they were never going to pack a scrum in that time period)
 

Raider_69

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I thought the refereeing was pretty ordinary in the 2nd half, they were laying all over us, particularly Kafusi who at times seemed to fall asleep whilst making some tackles but in general play, there was a couple of calls on our line which went against the cowboys which were terrible decisions, in particular one with monaghan sliding in to collect the footy off a grubber, knocking it on, and the ref calling play on. The ref's and touchies missed forward passes from both sides. Payne and Flanagan were playing very flat and im certain at least 3 balls from each went forward but wasnt picked up

i think we were easily the better side i dont think these mistakes impacted the game too much, but it was poorly officiated imo.

And that penalty against steve southern for the hit on campo was terrible. I've seen about 5-6 of these so far this year. They've gone too far.
 
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Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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Agreed. The officiating was plain disgusting to put it mildly. I'm not talking about 50/50 calls either, which by their nature can go for or against you.

As an example I'll use the very last play of the game. Thankfully it didn't have any bearing on the outcome, but it could have... it was an absolute shocker by all involved.

Campese gets the ball, it's tackle 5 with about 20 seconds left. He kicks the ball straight into ground, it bounces up and out. The touch judge is not paying attention, doesn't see that the ball has hit the ground first, and calls it out on the full. That's bad decision one, and could have cost the Raiders by giving the Cowboys 15-20 extra metres and at least one play. I say at least one play because that's what it should have been... and this leads me to bad decision number two. Not content with the touch judge's error, Archer compounds it by ordering a scrum. Incorrect. If the ball is deemed to be kicked out on the full on the 5th tackle, it is a handover where the ball is kicked, so the correct call after the first bad decision would have been a Cowboys play the ball.

Now thankfully, there was no further play and these two elementary errors didn't effect the outcome... but they could have. Please don't take this as a whinge, I'm generally extremely concerned about the competency of our elected officials. These aren't mistakes where they could have gone either way, they are elementary errors in law that should not happen.

Another was the use of the sin bin. If Steve Lyons is convinced David Milne deserved to be binned last week, how in God's name did the exact same referee not deem Luke O'Donnell's offence to be at least worthy of the same punishment?

But those are the negatives. The positive is that we finally got a win, although it was by no means pretty in that second half. The Raiders just can't seem to go for the full 80 minutes at the moment, and that's a concern. Once they have that though, watch out. Campese is in electrifying form - the most dominant player in the competition at present I think Greg Alexander said - and Jarrod Croker is certainly one for the future... then you've got Dugan, Carney, Monaghan, Phil Graham's set to return soon... wow. And the forward pack... Logan looked like he's got another 5 years left in him, and when Tom Learoyd-Lahrs hits his straps he's the hardest man in the game to stop.


No complaints about calls that dudded the Cowboys? :roll:
 

Garts

Bench
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4,360
Another tip incorrect but am glad the Raiders got up and left Manly dead last. If that does not fire them up nothing will.
 

beave

Coach
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15,680
Congrats raiders, far too good.

I am getting a little sick of watching my team play though......anyone else in the same boat?????
 

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