14 Team SL and Merged Championship?

[Pippen94]

Waffle, doesn't drive any broadcast deal. You aren't even offering more content, you are offering less / repeats of the same.

The Australian market has both a strong traditional FTA Prime Time market and a subscription / streaming one. Both are driven in over half the market by the NRL and a number of prestige events.

The UK has a subscription / streaming one. FTA comes up the rear given different market dynamics and traditions. The code that drives this is association football and a number of prestige events.

If you take the 120,000 suggested persons who subscribe to Sky primarily for rugby league, at say £250 a season that is a market size of £36,000,000. There might be some cream on top of that for people who don't see it as the primary thing they sub for and also ads, but there are also production costs to consider. So the max market size is really about £40m per season at a push. What drove it to that level 10 years ago was the broadband war between Sky and BT. What will drive the Super League up specifically is delivering some competitive tension. DAZN are in the UK market longer than the Australian one and IMG will be well versed with them, what exactly can the NRL provide?

Again the NRL means little in this part of the world.

Funny ashes tickets move like hotcakes and Vegas game got coverage and cross promotion from sky. NRL is much bigger league than superleague. Has more power and influence. Having two comps allows NRL to leverage one for the other. Weak clubs afraid because they know they have no place in NRL Europe. Ever read educating Rita?! Clubs are pub goers Rita leaves behind.

 

[BODISGOD]

It makes league seem not like a tin pot northern league and will encourage viewers from other parts of Britain to watch. You know growth?!

The Super League had a London team uninterrupted for a near 20 years. You are proposing to simply add them back in and one other French club.

Nobody from Manchester is precluded from watching RL because there isn't a team called Manchester. They aren't idiots, they're exposed to it and can pick any of the local clubs around there to watch. The issue there is having two of the biggest football clubs in the world in that city. And just to point out, Manchester United make $1.4bn AUD annually, or nearly double what the NRL do centrally. A bit of perspective needed for those thinking Peter V'Landys is Roger Goodell or something.

 

[BODISGOD]

Funny ashes tickets move like hotcakes and Vegas game got coverage and cross promotion from sky. NRL is much bigger league than superleague. Has more power and influence. Having two comps allows NRL to leverage one for the other. Weak clubs afraid because they know they have no place in NRL Europe. Ever read educating Rita?! Clubs are pub goers Rita leaves behind.

Are you not reading my posts? I am saying there is a market for this.

There needs to be a clear 1-1.5 months a year for international or World Club Challenge games. That creates different tv rights and a product that rugby league in England can profit from, rather than the piecemeal nature of it right now.

That is exactly the area I have said the NRL can help with. But again my point is that is down to the RLPA and the NRL / ARLC.

 

[Pippen94]

The Super League had a London team uninterrupted for a near 20 years. You are proposing to simply add them back in and one other French club.

Nobody from Manchester is precluded from watching RL because there isn't a team called Manchester. They aren't idiots, they're exposed to it and can pick any of the local clubs around there to watch. The issue there is having two of the biggest football clubs in the world in that city. And just to point out, Manchester United make $1.4bn AUD annually, or nearly double what the NRL do centrally. A bit of perspective needed for those thinking Peter V'Landys is Roger Goodell or something.

If you can't see the perception of superleague being different, not having 12 clubs along m62 I can't help you.

 

[BODISGOD]

If you can't see the perception of superleague being different, not having 12 clubs along m62 I can't help you.

I am pointing out that your "proposal" isn't actually a proposal, it's waffle.

I would absolutely expand the Super League again. I'd point out to you again, the Super League made far more of an effort at this than the NRL. The NRL went into it's shell and decided to turn up for internationals when it suited them, weakening English Rugby League.

 

[Taking The Two]

London’s issue is that while they had a ‘Sugar Daddy’ in David Hughes, it’s fair to say that they wasted a lot of money and time in the wrong area. All of the moves around London and subsequent inability to lay foundations, whilst shedding fans with every move was ultimately a real killer for them. That said, their academy was largely successful with the likes of McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Clubb and Sarginson winning Super League titles, Kai Pearce-Paul over in the NRL and players like McMeeken plus the current London contingent making a career from the sport.

A part-time and already relegated London pulled in some impressive crowds in Super League last year and with the right promotion and PR plus staying at Wimbledon, they could easily do that again, if not grow it further whilst adding to their side with their own academy.

 

[Pippen94]

Are you not reading my posts? I am saying there is a market for this.

There needs to be a clear 1-1.5 months a year for international or World Club Challenge games. That creates different tv rights and a product that rugby league in England can profit from, rather than the piecemeal nature of it right now.

That is exactly the area I have said the NRL can help with. But again my point is that is down to the RLPA and the NRL / ARLC.

I am pointing out that your "proposal" isn't actually a proposal, it's waffle.

I would absolutely expand the Super League again. I'd point out to you again, the Super League made far more of an effort at this than the NRL. The NRL went into it's shell and decided to turn up for internationals when it suited them, weakening English Rugby League.

It's not my proposal. It's rumoured NRL makeup. I agree with rumoured NRL makeup that bigger clubs which include Catalans and Toulouse (with it's wealthy backer) should be in comp every year. They have most potential and reach.

 

[BODISGOD]

It's not my proposal. It's rumoured NRL makeup. I agree with rumoured NRL makeup that bigger clubs which include Catalans and Toulouse (with it's wealthy backer) should be in comp every year. They have most potential and reach.

You said the NRL won't fund it, where is that in the rumours?

 

[Pippen94]

You said the NRL won't fund it, where is that in the rumours?

Who funds NRL?!

 

[Perth Red]

Next year might be a bit of a bludger for some weak teams but I'm still excited to see a 14 team comp grow over the next few years and a comp with no Salford (and poss Hudds) but with potentially Toulouse, Bradford, York and/or London in it has so much more potential.

IMG gradings need a bit more tweaking but Id stick with the system, its finally got clubs moving on fixing up some core club business structure issues.

 

[Perth Red]

Who funds NRL?!

Fans, media, sponsors

 

[BODISGOD]

Who funds NRL?!

Funds generated in the local market through various means. Means with little comparability to the U.K..

 

[Pippen94]

Funds generated in the local market through various means. Means with little comparability to the U.K..

Repeat after me..broadcast money

 

[Pippen94]

Sport England to meet RFL over concerns with rugby league funding at stake

Sport England will meet the Rugby Football League to air their concerns over developments at the governing body

www.theguardian.com

Incompetent

 

[Gobsmacked]

Sport England to meet RFL over concerns with rugby league funding at stake

Sport England will meet the Rugby Football League to air their concerns over developments at the governing body

www.theguardian.com

Incompetent

That's interesting.
Shouldn't he be giving back his severance pay? As he has returned to the role?
And why is he able to hold a stake in Bradford? Isn’t that a conflict of interest?

Sport England has questions... fair enough!

 

[Pippen94]

That's interesting.
Shouldn't he be giving back his severance pay? As he has returned to the role?
And why is he able to hold a stake in Bradford? Isn’t that a conflict of interest?

Sport England has questions... fair enough!

Superleague is a sinking ship

 

[Gobsmacked]

Superleague is a sinking ship

Certainly taking on water.
Salford going under.. answer? Expand the comp...

 

[Perth Red]

Record tv viewing, attendances up with some of the biggest, a competitive top of table with 5 clubs in with a realistic shot at the title, promoted club doing much better than the relegated one. Yeh SL is cooked lol
leave out Salford anomaly and it’s been a great SL season.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Record tv viewing, attendances up with some of the biggest, a competitive top of table with 5 clubs in with a realistic shot at the title, promoted club doing much better than the relegated one. Yeh SL is cooked lol
leave out Salford anomaly and it’s been a great SL season.

Salford anomaly..it's only a twelve team comp. 1 in 12.
Expand to 14.. will it just be an anomaly when it's 2 in 14 ?

I really want expansion but if one club goes broke within this structure, adding 3 new ones with no time to prepare seems absurd.

Weren't the TV numbers only due to showing more fixtures?

I don't think SL is cooked but it's still deep in trouble .

I'm glad crowds are improving and there's no doubt it's a serious benefit have the possibility of a different champion, there's the Ashes too which should give it a boost.

Shouldn't be adding any teams until 2027, give them time to recruit and prepare off the field as well.

 

[Perth Red]

Salford anomaly..it's only a twelve team comp. 1 in 12.
Expand to 14.. will it just be an anomaly when it's 2 in 14 ?

I really want expansion but if one club goes broke within this structure, adding 3 new ones with no time to prepare seems absurd.

Weren't the TV numbers only due to showing more fixtures?

I don't think SL is cooked but it's still deep in trouble .

I'm glad crowds are improving and there's no doubt it's a serious benefit have the possibility of a different champion, there's the Ashes too which should give it a boost.

Shouldn't be adding any teams until 2027, give them time to recruit and prepare off the field as well.

yes anomaly, Superleague has never seen a situation like this before, so yes it’s an anomaly, as of now.

it said match avg so probably not,

agreed, silly rushing when we probably are going to need three new clubs. Should have staggered it but they are trying to show value for next tv deal which is being negotiated soon.