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Red&BlackBear

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Long article spread across 2 posts. Part 2

The NRL is in a strong financial position and audiences are up year-on-year. Getty Images
But what competitive tension looks like in reality is unclear.

Nine’s investors made it clear that they don’t want the company to spend lots of money after striking historic deals with Tennis Australia and the International Olympic Committee for five summer and winter games.

Seven and Ten aren’t flowing with cash either and all three television networks are still waiting on the outcome of a federal government inquiry into reducing online gambling harm.

There is a possibility that gambling ads will be banned during live sport, inside stadiums, and on jerseys. If that goes ahead, it would have an impact on the economics of a new deal and how much a potential party could offer.

Some bookmakers are already introducing changes to how much they spend on advertisements and programs around sports. The NRL’s wagering partner, Sportsbet, has cut the numbers of ads before and after live sport and will have no one promoting odds around the grand final over the weekend (it did the same thing in the AFL). Sportsbet declined to comment.

“The AFL has almost always perfectly timed their deal,” Hunter Fujak, lecturer in sports management at Deakin University, says. “The AFL signed a deal in a world before Seven would have been thinking about gambling ad bans. They would have got absolute top dollar.

“NRL is now going to go to market in a world where free-to-air companies can’t have anywhere near as many gambling ads. Structurally, I don’t think it’s going to be able to be in the same ballpark.”

If Nine does want to engage in a new deal, it will need to convince its board and shareholders the numbers stack up. That includes billionaire Bruce Gordon, who happens to own the St George Illawarra Dragons.

To do this, Nine, which has the free-to-air rights, will almost certainly want exclusivity for a couple of matches per week. Locking in some sort of arrangement for Stan is probably desirable, but it’s unlikely the NRL would want to let go of any sort of partnership with Foxtel.

The media giant is also in an exclusive negotiating period with Rugby Australia for its Wallabies and Wallaroos matches and the Super Rugby competition. This deal, which expires at the end of 2025, has underpinned the growth strategy for Nine’s streaming service, Stan. If it does not do this deal or one with the NRL, there is every chance its strategy unravels.
Foxtel, which is the subscription provider of the NRL, will also want exclusivity and more matches behind a paywall if it is going to pay more money. But it has its challenges too – it will also be affected by a gambling crackdown and has a $1.7 billion debt load.

Some people still pay for Foxtel’s set-top boxes, but the average revenue per user is significantly smaller on its streaming platform Kayo Sports. This makes it difficult to offset broadcast rights as well as the cost of production.

The only way to justify a substantial increase would be to offset it with more customers or more advertising.

There’s an elephant in the room, too: Foxtel, which is majority-owned by News Corp, confirmed in August it was up for sale following third-party interest.

Some media and sports executives are sceptical of whether a deal will be done. But if there are genuine intentions for a sale or a debt refinancing, having an NRL locked in until the new decade could be considered appealing (sources close to Foxtel say the deal will have little to no impact on any potential sale).

“The NRL should expect a substantial uplift based on how well participation, viewership and management are performing,” Gyngell says.

“For 20 years I’ve been hearing sports rights are going to go backwards. It just is not true. While traditional media is a nightmare for investors, a true horror show is losing great sports rights.”

Australian sports deals have historically been split between a free-to-air television network and Foxtel, which was until recently the monopoly subscription provider. This is because of a longstanding federal government law that requires major sports and cultural events to be offered up to a free broadcaster before a paid service.

Changes to these laws earlier this year created a loophole for the NRL – it has no obligation to put streaming rights on platforms like 9Now or 7Plus. It means free-to-air networks that want digital rights may find themselves competing alongside tech giants such as Amazon.

It’s a nightmare for Nine, but an opportunity for a sport like the NRL if it wants to maximise revenue.

The NRL is in the process of deciding which clubs will join the competition under the next deal, but the most likely scenario is a Perth-based team and another based in Papua New Guinea as part of a soft diplomacy arrangement with the federal government.

Clubs aren’t sure whether a PNG club would add any commercial value, but there are signs the economics stack up if a team in Perth goes ahead.

The potential introduction of new clubs in the competition would give the sports body more fixtures and an opportunity to provide a broadcaster with exclusivity based on a day or location.

The NRL has also floated the introduction of a conference system and a draft. It also has ambitions to expand the NRLW competition and boost the profile of the Pacific Championships. There’s also the Las Vegas play – a move designed to create more value for an international streaming service.
“The reason we are thinking about growth is to maximise outcomes for members and stakeholders,” Abdo told Nine’s rugby league show 100% Footy in September. “All these major events go into the mix.”

In the US and the United Kingdom, the big sports are finding new ways to make money. Streaming giant Netflix, which once said it would never broadcast live sport, is the home of two Christmas Day NFL games under an agreement with CBS Sports. The most recent NFL deal also includes matches on YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Peacock, ESPN+ and NFL+.

In July, the NBA signed a US$76 billion contract with Disney (for ABC and ESPN), Comcast (NBA and Peacock) and Amazon to broadcast matches until 2036. Over in the UK, the English Premier League has local agreements split between Sky Sports, BT Sport, and Amazon Prime.

The biggest sports deals in the world are split between traditional media and streaming. AP
V’landys and Abdo might consider carving up the rights in the same way.

There are plenty of potential partners – Amazon Prime Video is an obvious one, as is Paramount (provided it has no plans to divest its Australian television network). A left-field contender could be Disney – it is in the middle of rolling out a dedicated tile on its streaming service Disney Plus that will eventually provide ESPN content to users for a fee.

By 2028, it may want to look at an exclusive match per week if it believes it would increase its share of the Australian market.

The NRL could also go directly to consumers – it’s more difficult, but not impossible. The NRL has a service offshore, Watch NRL, and depending on how much it charges, it could make millions via subscribers and advertisers.

If a gambling crackdown proceeds, the NRL will need to rethink its relationship with bookmakers, too. The code’s current wagering partner is Sportsbet and the deal expires in 2025.

An alternative to sponsorship could be a non-exclusive content agreement – giving a bookmaker access to matches in exchange for money (the NBA has deals with Tabcorp and Sportsbet).

“They will need to take a risk and I think that risk is similarly fragmenting the rights to the NFL and NBA,” Gepp says. “That said, Peter and Andrew are proven trailblazers. I’m expecting to see a bigger number than the AFL.”
 
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Red&BlackBear

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“The second facet, Abdo hopes, is from charging the new teams an expansion fee to enter the competition, which happens in other competitions around the world.”

@Perth Red never change mate !

Your bears need to stump up some cash
Don’t believe Rothfield. The moneys there. However as I said earlier this week ARLC will have oversight over the Western Bears board with the possibility of a member from ARLC taking a seat on the Western Bears board……
 
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Don’t believe Rothfield. The moneys there. However as I said earlier this week ARLC will have oversight over the Western Bears board with the possibility of a member from ARLC taking a seat on the Western Bears board……
I wonder if that's going to be standard for teams 18, 19 & 20 and onwards - having a strong ARLC oversight, even a seat on the board initially, kinda as a set of "training wheels" to make sure they don't fall-over - financially or operationally - in that early bedding-in era.
 

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I wonder if that's going to be standard for teams 18, 19 & 20 and onwards - having a strong ARLC oversight, even a seat on the board initially, kinda as a set of "training wheels" to make sure they don't fall-over - financially or operationally - in that early bedding-in era.
Not sure. I assume yes with WB and PNG.

It’s all high risk and as such needs astute, thoroughly diligent and competent risk management to mitigate said risk.

Either way it’s definitely a positive thing.

Buzz doesn’t know what he is on about and if he truely believed in this story he would write an actual article about it and not just a small tidbit that will barely get a glance. It’s a shame people will run with it though as opposed to the hundred other articles which completely contradict this which ironically includes other pieces directly from Buzz himself.
 

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It looks like they are going to market with only Perth and png locked in and not team 20

Does that mean they feel out sky nz or Aussie tv as to whether nz2 or Brisbane 3 offers more dollars ?
 

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“The second facet, Abdo hopes, is from charging the new teams an expansion fee to enter the competition, which happens in other competitions around the world.”

@Perth Red never change mate !

Your bears need to stump up some cash
1. It’s slothfield
2. you think they’ve got this far into the process and suddenly have started to consider this? Cuckoo cuckoo
 

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It looks like they are going to market with only Perth and png locked in and not team 20

Does that mean they feel out sky nz or Aussie tv as to whether nz2 or Brisbane 3 offers more dollars ?
It's a tough call between NZ 2 & Brisbane 3.

Brisbane 3 is probably safer financially in the short term - especially if the NRL is looking for an entry fee to satisfy existing clubs.. BUT Christchurch offers a hammer blow to rugby union in It's stronghold, opening up new pathways and a whole new stadium experience that might trigger some serious catch-up thinking in Australia.
 

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Doubt that’s the reason…Most likely they are realising that it’s dumb to announce a team next week that isnt coming into the competition for another 6 years
I'm also thinking the NRL itself might be on-board with any coverage blaming existing clubs for expansion doubts & hold-ups. (That the clubs are demanding x, y, and z for themselves before rubber-stamping their approval)

It sets a narrative that "its the damn incumbents that are dragging our heels on this!"
 

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When the ARLC was formed it was created with the existing NRL clubs as voting members, hence my belief that all teams at that time are “safe” outside of some black swan event.

My question is whether the new clubs also automatically get that privilege? Or is it a two tier system with the clubs? Maybe the proposed entry fee is partly for that?
 

flippikat

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When the ARLC was formed it was created with the existing NRL clubs as voting members, hence my belief that all teams at that time are “safe” outside of some black swan event.

My question is whether the new clubs also automatically get that privilege? Or is it a two tier system with the clubs? Maybe the proposed entry fee is partly for that?
New clubs would surely HAVE to get that as a right of "membership", otherwise you get two tiers of NRL club - incumbents who can sign-off on decisions (or indeed stall & effectively veto), and newbies who have no such say.

That would be sowing the seeds for a breakaway competition if we have enough newbies along with radical expansionist incumbents who agree with the newbies (and at odds with the other more conservative incumbents), then Superleague V2.0 is potentially on.
 
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1. It’s slothfield
2. you think they’ve got this far into the process and suddenly have started to consider this? Cuckoo cuckoo
How did the first Western Bears fan gathering in Perth go yesterday mate? How’d you find Mr. Den? He is a great character of a bloke. I have a lot of time for him.
 

Red&BlackBear

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When the ARLC was formed it was created with the existing NRL clubs as voting members, hence my belief that all teams at that time are “safe” outside of some black swan event.

My question is whether the new clubs also automatically get that privilege? Or is it a two tier system with the clubs? Maybe the proposed entry fee is partly for that?
New clubs become members. As per the NRL outline it states that all NRL clubs are members. So whether a club is 116 years old or 1 year old is irrelevant to it.

 

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Nice article. What about:

NRL hunts for more revenue and assets, but will expansion fees be part of the financial mix?

Rugby league has had a big 2024, but a vital off-season looms for the code’s business plans – including expansion – ahead of a new broadcast rights deal and asset purchases in the next two years.

3 min read
October 4, 2024 - 5:06PM
The Australian Business Network

Sunday evening’s NRL grand final may be just as important from a financial perspective as another event for rugby league later this month.

The Australian Rugby League Commission governing body could announce the Western Bears consortium as the NRL’s newest team within two weeks of the season-decider between the Melbourne Storm and Penrith Panthers.

There are also moves for a new team from Papua New Guinea underway, backed by $600m in sports diplomacy funding from the Albanese government, and the NRL aims to eventually add another club in Australia or New Zealand for what would then be a 20-team competition.

In an interview with The Weekend Australian about rugby league’s financial situation, ARLC chief executive Andrew Abdo said he was keen for the code to charge expansion fees for the new teams, and that the league is aiming to have $300m in net assets.

But even more importantly will be negotiating a new broadcast deal to kick in after the league’s current arrangement with Nine Entertainment and Foxtel expires at the end of 2027.

A new team like the Perth-based Bears, formed from the old North Sydney Bears that exited the NRL in 1999 via an ill-fated merger with Manly-Warringah, will help generate more revenue in two ways, Abdo says.

One is via more revenue in the code’s next TV deal from providing broadcasters more content.
“We are the most watched sport in Australia and we are delivering value for our partners. We have bold ambitions for the future and we need to get the right value for our rights,” Abdo says.
“So we think we have a lot going for us and adding another team does add another fixture [each week] and another fixture in a new market adds commercial value.”

The second facet, Abdo hopes, is from charging the new teams an expansion fee to enter the competition, which happens in other competitions around the world.

Which may prove more complicated.

Penrith Panthers captain Nathan Cleary, left, and Melbourne Storm capital Harry Grant ahead of this weekend’s NRL grand final
Abdo says in any business case for expansion “you want to create value … and be strategic about what markets you go to.

“In terms of a licence fee you would think these days it is commonplace in sport and appropriate. Ultimately though you want clubs that are well funded and have created a strong connection with the community. But it is essentially a fee for our IP (intellectual property).”

The consortium behind the Bears, including business figures from Perth and Sydney, have been told they will be required to spend $30m on the team, including local development and infrastructure.

But it is not clear if documents provided to the consortium set out the need to pay a fee of potentially tens of millions to join the NRL. It is a matter likely to be thrashed out in meetings just after Sunday’s grand final. Existing NRL clubs would likely want a slice of any expansion fee, and some of the $600m from the PNG team funding.

When the Brisbane-based Dolphins were announced as the NRL’s newest team in late 2021 (it entered the competition in 2023), the NRL did not charge an expansion fee but there was a requirement to spend $2m annually on men’s and women’s pathways and participation.
Expansion fees are common in other codes: the A-League’s newest club, Auckland FC, paid $20m to join that competition.

Meanwhile, the NRL – which had $250m in net assets a year ago – is strengthening its balance sheet by buying assets such as the three hotels it now owns and keeping some of its holding in cash and other liquid investments.

“We want to get to $300m assets at the end of the [broadcast] cycle [in 2027],” Abdo says. “That means commercial assets, cash and deposits that we make good returns from on fairly low risk strategies.”

Abdo says the NRL’s revenue this year will be between the $700m it achieved last year and $750m.

Additional revenue will come from the income-generating assets, the expansion of the women’s side of the game and then overseas from the US, where the NRL will host two matches in Las Vegas again next March, and the UK.

When asked if the ARLC would consider buying the mostly UK-based Super League, Abdo says:
“We will work with them to promote the growth of the game, potentially we might look at NRL playing matches in the UK or something more formal”.

Abdo says:
“We will work with them to promote the growth of the game, "

I can't believe how lucky we are to have this administration!
Rugby league, the game I love! Is finally in the hands of people worthy! I absolutely love Abdo and Peter for all the work they do! We've had people who were competent and We've had people who were passionate but never both!
Today we have an administration that is far beyond competent, they are leaders in business! And we have an administration that's passion sees the game as something that belongs on the world stage!
I really never thought we'd be in this position, we are so f**king lucky!
Everyone needs to really soak in where we are and who's guiding us because nothing is forever , enjoy it!
 

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It's a tough call between NZ 2 & Brisbane 3.

Brisbane 3 is probably safer financially in the short term - especially if the NRL is looking for an entry fee to satisfy existing clubs.. BUT Christchurch offers a hammer blow to rugby union in It's stronghold, opening up new pathways and a whole new stadium experience that might trigger some serious catch-up thinking in Australia.
My gut feeling and my growing distaste bordering on hated of union lends me to believe we got to Christchurch first.
 

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