$1million forwards, are they worth it?

[Perth Red]

Watching cowboys and Titans yesterday can’t help but question if spending $1mill on a forward is wise, especially the way the game is going with its speeding up? Traditionally the best forwards have been at around the 60-70% salary value of the star backs. Is it worth spending such a big chunk of salary cap on a forward? The announcement that Todd will play JT for around 50mins a game also has to bring into question the bang for buck performance minutes of what forwards will play in the new game, in effect it’s costing $1.3million for the amount of time they are in the field compared to a player on for the full 80mins. Is this the end of the $1million forward already?

 

[This Year?]

If a prop can play 80 minutes and kick goals then yes.

 

[Meth]

50 minutes of Taumalolo is worth a lot IMO, especially if it prolongs his effectiveness towards the back end of his contract. There's an argument that he was signed for too many years, but not that he's paid too much IMO

Tino and Fifita will improve too. To be honest, their 'bad games' are still pretty handy.

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

Its better to get two forwards both at 700,000 each than get one for $1m and another less talented at $400,000

Better spread of money.

 

[Last Week]

Taumololo is probably th the only one I'd say is worth it. Even with his reduced minutes, he's going to increase his production as the season rolls on.

Andrew Fifita could have been if he could stay on the field.

 

[nick87]

The Raiders have one of the best forwards in the world, i'd say game to game, Josh Papalii is as good and impactful as any forward in the world

He's not on that kind of money and im glad. That money is reserved for the spine imo

 

[wittyfan]

Lol at Payten already throwing shade at Taumalolo after one game

 

[Usain Bolt]

That 10 year contract for Taumalolo was terrible, everyone thought the Cowboys got the good end of the deal but I bet they end up regretting it when it’s all said and done. He’s still got 7 years left on it

 

[ayatollah_murdoch]

I'd say that kind of money on some halves is just as bad - Milford, hunt, Taylor, Morgan etc.

 

[dogslife]

Something something something Panthers something something.

 

[MugaB]

Something something something Panthers something something.

Halfback, Five-Eighth, Flanagan, Lewis, Avarillo, Hopoate, Wakeham, Burton...oops sorry wrong team

 

[betcats]

Lolo is still the best forward in the game. He has been as consistent as any forward the last few years. He is the only forward right now that is worth it imo.

 

[betcats]

Watching cowboys and Titans yesterday can’t help but question if spending $1mill on a forward is wise, especially the way the game is going with its speeding up? Traditionally the best forwards have been at around the 60-70% salary value of the star backs. Is it worth spending such a big chunk of salary cap on a forward? The announcement that Todd will play JT for around 50mins a game also has to bring into question the bang for buck performance minutes of what forwards will play in the new game, in effect it’s costing $1.3million for the amount of time they are in the field compared to a player on for the full 80mins. Is this the end of the $1million forward already?

Problem for edge forwards is they are stuck on one side which limits their chances, I dont think any of them are worth a million simply for that reason. If you are going to pay a forward a million make it a middle forward who can play big minutes.

 

[davi]

That 10 year contract for Taumalolo was terrible, everyone thought the Cowboys got the good end of the deal but I bet they end up regretting it when it’s all said and done. He’s still got 7 years left on it

I remember Terry Kennedy said a couple of years on the Footy Show. That he heard on the grapevine there was an opt out for Jason Taumalolo here, and there was an opt out clause for the Cowboys there. He suggested it wasn't a 10 year contract that either party was completely locked into on the surface.

 

[davi]

Taumololo is probably th the only one I'd say is worth it. Even with his reduced minutes, he's going to increase his production as the season rolls on.

The Cowboys have been rubbish for a couple of years though. Rightly or wrongly whether that's Taumalolo fault it isn't necessary the point.

Phil Gould has said that the players who are earning more than $700,000 per year must contribute to a '60-70% win ratio'.

If the Cowboys again falter this year the contracts handed out for Taumololo, Michael Morgan, and Valantine Holmes should come under more scrutiny. To be fair Holmes contract has already has as he is primarily playing winger for a million.

 

[Smug Panther]

The Raiders have one of the best forwards in the world, i'd say game to game, Josh Papalii is as good and impactful as any forward in the world

He's not on that kind of money and im glad. That money is reserved for the spine imo

Yep I'd much rather JFH or Papalii

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Yes it can be.

Good forwards give you great momentum or get you out of your own end (aka out of the shit). Great ones also have a strong passing game.


Even the greatest of backs in the game would struggle to get anything going without good forwards. They can run riot with great ones.

Forwards include hookers too, but them aside..

A great forward, who can play 60+ minutes each week, is gold-dust. They may not be spectacular every week - but they clear the runway the way for the backs to take off.

 

[nick87]

Lolo is still the best forward in the game. He has been as consistent as any forward the last few years. He is the only forward right now that is worth it imo.

That's the issue
The salary cap isnt really a game about paying the best players the money they are worth. Salary cap leagues are ultimately leagues that come down to positional value

Lolo is an incredible forward, and arguably the best in the game... the cowboys have got him, and they SUCK. And have sucked since JT walked away.
So there is little to no value in having Lolo on this huge deal when he doesn't impact winning football games the way other positions do.

You dont need Lolo to compete in this league, you can get 75% of his output for probably 60% of his cap allocation and that allows you more flexibility to pay up for the premium positions (1-6-7-9) that are not only going to impact the game more, but also means with better spine players, that dude you're paying 60% for to get 75% of what Lolo gives you? They might help push that output closer to 80-85%

 

[betcats]

That's the issue
The salary cap isnt really a game about paying the best players the money they are worth. Salary cap leagues are ultimately leagues that come down to positional value

Lolo is an incredible forward, and arguably the best in the game... the cowboys have got him, and they SUCK. And have sucked since JT walked away.
So there is little to no value in having Lolo on this huge deal when he doesn't impact winning football games the way other positions do.

You dont need Lolo to compete in this league, you can get 75% of his output for probably 60% of his cap allocation and that allows you more flexibility to pay up for the premium positions (1-6-7-9) that are not only going to impact the game more, but also means with better spine players, that dude you're paying 60% for to get 75% of what Lolo gives you? They might help push that output closer to 80-85%

They have suffered from piss poor coaching the last few years they failed to adapt to the new rules under green. Recruiting Holmes for big money has worked out poorly for them. Lolo is consistently incredible for them they just need to get the rest of the side playing up to scratch. Morgan is on big money, Holmes is as well. Morgan hasnt been performing for years it wasnt long ago he was one of the best players in the comp.

 

[Smug Panther]

They have suffered from piss poor coaching the last few years they failed to adapt to the new rules under green. Recruiting Holmes for big money has worked out poorly for them. Lolo is consistently incredible for them they just need to get the rest of the side playing up to scratch. Morgan is on big money, Holmes is as well. Morgan hasnt been performing for years it wasnt long ago he was one of the best players in the comp.

Yeah Morgs won Thurston a comp and the CC medel