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1st Final: Australia v SL at Brisbane Mar 4, 2012

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I've lost count of how many times Watson has held his nerve in the final overs to help us win the game - and to think some clueless idiots didn't think he should walk back into the side after his injury.
 

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Correct. As it was in 1983/84, when the 2nd final between Australia and the West Indies was tied. West Indies led 1-0 going into that game, but the 3rd final was still played after the tie

Yeah and from what I've heard the Windies weren't very happy about having to play that 3rd Final either
 

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Yeah and from what I've heard the Windies weren't very happy about having to play that 3rd Final either

Well, I wasn't alive back then so I wouldn't know. But it didn't matter anyway, as the Windies side of that era proved their class by winning the 3rd final pretty comfortably, courtesy of Big Bird's 5-iver in the Australian innings
 
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Just need another.
Well, it certainly ain't the Victorian McKay, Dan Christian or Brett Lee. I'm just surprised that someone of Brett Lee's experience can't bowl full and straight.

Doherty has been very economical in recent times. Instead of bowling him out early in the game, maybe he would be a good option at the end? Like Watson, the ability to vary his speed is one of Doherty's assets
 
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Just shows why we need to get more bowling out of him in the test matches as the 5th bowler in the side.

NO, this summer has shown we have bowlers in Pattinson, Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Starc, Harris (add Cummins as well). We don't need to kill Watson! Why do you think it took Watson 4 months to come back- Stress Fracture! Bowl him, but I would rather not rely on him!
 

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Well, I wasn't alive back then so I wouldn't know. But it didn't matter anyway, as the Windies side of that era proved their class by winning the 3rd final pretty comfortably, courtesy of Big Bird's 5-iver in the Australian innings
Viv and Clive Lloyd didn't play and they still smashed us.
 

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Good effort by the Lankans to get so close, the Indians would of had a cry at 5 for 125 and been bowled out for 160.
 

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NO, this summer has shown we have bowlers in Pattinson, Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Starc, Harris (add Cummins as well). We don't need to kill Watson! Why do you think it took Watson 4 months to come back- Stress Fracture! Bowl him, but I would rather not rely on him!

Despite the fapping you may have over Watson, he has not done enough with the bat in recent times to justify his place in the side solely as an opening batsman. Warner and Cowan showed more than enough in the 4 tests vs India. Watson needs to bat at 5 or 6. No point having Watson as an all-rounder if he doesn't bowl. And no, I didn't expect him to bowl 20-30 overs a day. But our 5th bowling option is something that has been lacking in recent times.

And whilst you are still head over heels with Hauritz, although Steve O'Keefe should be the spinner in the side (only spinner in Shield cricket with an avge under 30. The selectors won't pick him though. He must have done something to one of the selectors that has upset them), Nathan Lyon has shown more with the ball in his 6 months in the side than Hauritz did in his 2 yrs. Hauritz couldn't turn his way out of a Kings Cross nightclub. He may have not taken a plethora of wickets whilst Hilfenhaus/Siddle/Pattinson were enjoying the limelight, but Lyon is one of only a handful of spinners who was able to beat one of the best players of spin bowling, Sachin Tendulkar, in flight (during the Adelaide test). Not even Warne was able to do this, as Tendulkar annihilated not just Warne but some of the best spinners in the world during the '90s and '00s. If it was a choice between Hauritz and Lyon in helping us regain the Ashes next year, I think most ppl on this forum would choose Lyon. I'd like to see how he'd go on English pitches, which have traditionally been spinner-friendly. I'm sure he'd give Graeme Swann a run for his money. The lack of a quality spinning option was crucial in 2009, as was shown in The Oval test.
 
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Pity Mickey Arthur and Michael Clarke have stated Watson will bat at no3 in the West Indies tour. Rightly so as well. Watson will bowl but as a change bowler and not every innings. It is perfect having 3 openers especially with Warner a "rocks or diamonds" opener. Watson is perfect coming behind the two openers.

As for O'Keefe...he might want to get some wickets this season, the last 2 years I agree with you...he was better than Doherty or Michael "LOL" Beer! As for Lyon,I am far from convinced as I prefer a leggie, but he has my support!
 

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Well there was that one game against NZ...
But there was also that one game against S. Africa. :-k

And then there were no games for Australia at all.

Like fellow Victorian Bryce McGain, Lewis' international career died in a sea of red ink on a fateful day in South Africa
 

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Pity Mickey Arthur and Michael Clarke have stated Watson will bat at no3 in the West Indies tour. Rightly so as well. Watson will bowl but as a change bowler and not every innings. It is perfect having 3 openers especially with Warner a "rocks or diamonds" opener. Watson is perfect coming behind the two openers.

As for O'Keefe...he might want to get some wickets this season, the last 2 years I agree with you...he was better than Doherty or Michael "LOL" Beer! As for Lyon,I am far from convinced as I prefer a leggie, but he has my support!

Doherty is an excellent ODI bowler but like players such as Steve Smith, will never cement their position in the test team due to lack of variation.

Michael Beer.....:lol:Regarding the SELECTION of Beer, in my 16 yrs or so of watching cricket, his selection is DEFINITELY THE WORST I've seen and also one of the worst in the 135 yr history of test cricket. During the post-rebel tour era (1985-89), it wasn't Allan Border's fault that he had to deal with players like Greg Trimble when the large bulk of the national team defected to go to South Africa. However, when you look at all the good promising players we had go around at domestic level that season, Beer's selection was nothing short of laughable. Yeah, Shane Warne said that Beer is a good spinner, a selector said Beer bowled well at the WACA (despite the fact that none of the selectors had seen him bowl, and yet was picked at the SCG over the WACA)...and yet we played Russian Roulette, went ahead and picked him on hearsay. Fair dinkum, you'd have better odds of winning the Lotto than doing what Hilditch et al. did. The selectors may as well picked someone from this forum if that was their mentality. Beer's selection is akin to when Greg Smith got picked for the Newcastle Knights in 1999 (Knights fans like myself remember this just like yesterday). It also reminds me of that story in the U.S. where a man got jailed around 2004 after he managed to con everyone that he was a doctor, lawyer etc. He had absolutely no credentials or degrees, yet was turning up to work and consulting patients as a G.P one day at the surgery, and thenclients in a law firm the next day.

Beer could've salvaged some pride during that test though...but sealed his fate with what turned out to be that costly Alaistair Cook dismissal which was overturned due to a no ball. At such a crucial point in the test, the whole momentum changed and England just piled on the runs whilst we were left to rue that incident and had the confidence of a shot duck
 
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Doherty is an excellent ODI bowler and is our first ODI bowler picked...but picking him in test cricket because he bowled left arm was up there with the most brain dead decision of all time!Not to mention the fact O'Keefe got Pieterson in the tour match not Doherty LOL!
 
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