2006 Preseason & Rookie Drafts Thread

[camsmith]

Have you guys been reading the Richmond forums?

Nope. I can imagine what their saying though.

What im miffed at is why we are avoiding signing defenders. We get rid of one last year when he was still capable and yet we sign no one in his place (that i could see) So whats going on there?

Our defence is what caused us to miss the top 8 last year IMO.

 

[meltiger]

Nope. I can imagine what their saying though.

What im miffed at is why we are avoiding signing defenders. We get rid of one last year when he was still capable and yet we sign no one in his place (that i could see) So whats going on there?

Our defence is what caused us to miss the top 8 last year IMO.

See, this is the kind of view that has me completely miffed - People comparing the Kellaway delisting and Kingsley signing. They have absoloutely nothing at all to do with each other.


Besides the fact one is a forward and one is a back - Kellaway did not suit the Wallace gameplan.


With regards to the backline, they traded for Polak and still drafted the bloke they wanted anyway, they are training Shultz and Hughes in the backline, Thursfield is on the comeback trail. What more do people want them to do? That is 4 potential, tall defenders, with Gaspar to take FB for 1 more season. (Although I think Jay is our future CHF, you can also throw into the mix Kel Moore (Who was injured most of last year) and McGuane who will continue to improve) Beyond that we are going to have a fleet of hard running, quick, skillful defenders capable of doing to teams precisely what gets done to us week in, week out - Murder them on the rebound.


Richmond people really really need to let go of the past. If we are to move forward and become competitive, we need to stop looking with misty eyes at yesterdays players and look forward to what is best for the club. Look without blinkers at the gameplan that TW is trying so hard to implement and realise it will be successful.


Looking backwards has held us back for 25 years, I for one am sick of it.

 

[CyberKev]

Drafting Kingsley isn't that bad.

How old is he?

Assuming he isn't carrying a huge price tag, then he isn't the worst of all choices.

My bigger concern, were I a Tiger fan, would surround where he is going to play. If it is intended to play him at FF, will this hamper the development of talented young key forward options like Reiwoldt & Hughes?

 

[meltiger]

28yo.


Hughes is being trained in the backline atm.


My belief on drafting Kent is that he is insurance in the case of Richo getting injured.


At the end of the day, even IF he is a failure, what's he cost us? A PSD draft Pick FFS, who really cares?!


The world is not going to come crashing down because we drafted Kent OR because we delisted Andy.

 

[meltiger]

I'd also suggest having Kingsley there will also show The Cousin and Cleve that they aren't going to walk straight into the team. That little bit of added depth means the kids are going to have to earn their spots on the training track and at Coburg.


Unlike some clubs, i'd really like to see Richmond not playing kids just for the sake of playing kids.

 

[CyberKev]

Unlike some clubs, i'd really like to see Richmond not playing kids just for the sake of playing kids.

Haha, nice slur that.

Of course, there's a difference between playing kids for "the sake of playing kids" and playing kids because you only have kids to play.

Trent Croad is our only experienced KPP, after all.

I'd also say you're better off playing kids with potential to become top-line players, rather than play average older players who haven't really amounted to anything in the past and most likely won't in the future.

 

[meltiger]

lol

I didn't actually say Hawthorn



I haven't sledged them in a long time.

 

[meltiger]

I'd also say you're better off playing kids with potential to become top-line players, rather than play average older players who haven't really amounted to anything in the past and most likely won't in the future.

If we didn't have Richo, then I would agree 100%. Fact is though, we do have a bloke who will pass 700 career goals next season (Which when you take into account he has lost at least a total of 4 seasons to injury is a damn fine effort) who can still add greatly to the team.


The day Richo's legs give out is the day we go down that road. The fact we have young Jack & Cleve now learning the ropes, along with Jay who is just about at (As Phantom would put it) his clicking time - We're fine.


My major concern now after this latest recruiting season is a ruck backup/long term replacement for Simmo. If young Angus Graham (Rookie List) doesn't come up we have a really big issue there.

 

[meltiger]

I think this quote sums it up perfectly too -

http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=309881

But although Kingsley, who was picked up by the Tigers at selection six in Tuesday's NAB AFL pre-season draft, says he holds no bitterness towards the Cats - he clearly feels his career will be best suited by a move away from Geelong where he often had to play as the club's number one forward despite standing just 193cm.

Kent will never be Richmond's #1 target. If Richo gets injured then Jay will slot into the spearhead role and Kent will move into #2 target.

 

[CyberKev]

If we didn't have Richo, then I would agree 100%. Fact is though, we do have a bloke who will pass 700 career goals next season (Which when you take into account he has lost at least a total of 4 seasons to injury is a damn fine effort) who can still add greatly to the team.

I certainly wasn't referring to Richo with my average older player who has never really amounted to anything line, just to ensure that noone gets that impression.

 

[meltiger]

I certainly wasn't referring to Richo with my average older player who has never really amounted to anything line, just to ensure that noone gets that impression.

Oh I didn't think that. Although you love to sledge the big fella


That was more in reference to your 'we only have Trent Croad' comment

 

[camsmith]

See, this is the kind of view that has me completely miffed - People comparing the Kellaway delisting and Kingsley signing. They have absoloutely nothing at all to do with each other.

Im not so fussed about Kingsey, he could be alright.

I am worried about getting rid of Kellaway. Watched the Richmond vs Adelaide game last night and who was backing back into packs and taking the courageous marks in the back line? Kellaway of course. Im going to miss watching that.

Besides the fact one is a forward and one is a back - Kellaway did not suit the Wallace gameplan.

And getting Graham from Hawthorn for one year did?

With regards to the backline, they traded for Polak and still drafted the bloke they wanted anyway, they are training Shultz and Hughes in the backline, Thursfield is on the comeback trail. What more do people want them to do? That is 4 potential, tall defenders, with Gaspar to take FB for 1 more season. (Although I think Jay is our future CHF, you can also throw into the mix Kel Moore (Who was injured most of last year) and McGuane who will continue to improve) Beyond that we are going to have a fleet of hard running, quick, skillful defenders capable of doing to teams precisely what gets done to us week in, week out - Murder them on the rebound.

Yeah fair enough, im not sold on Shultz up back. Polak should be good and i didn't realise we were going to play Hughes in the back line. We have Thursfield but Moore hasn't impressed me yet.

You do make some good points..

Richmond people really really need to let go of the past. If we are to move forward and become competitive, we need to stop looking with misty eyes at yesterdays players and look forward to what is best for the club. Look without blinkers at the gameplan that TW is trying so hard to implement and realise it will be successful.

And we are moving forward. IMO whats best for the club is giving our players the send of they deserve and if fit they deserve to play out their career with us. We didn't give Kellaway that, we should play the best players as well as train younger players. I just feel one or two more years for Kellaway would have been perfect for him and us.

Looking backwards has held us back for 25 years, I for one am sick of it.

No doubt, like i said, we are looking forward. I agree with everything TW has done except this one thing - which is getting rid of Kellaway too early.

 

[meltiger]

We need this new multi-quote button many forums have been getting lately lol

Bear in mind my response wasn't directed specifically at you mate, just head-in-hands frustration at some of the truly ridiculous rubbish I have been reading from morons over the last two days ...

Im not so fussed about Kingsey, he could be alright.

My thinking is, if we can get 120-130 goals from Richo/Shulz/Kingsley we are halfway to playing finals

I am worried about getting rid of Kellaway. Watched the Richmond vs Adelaide game last night and who was backing back into packs and taking the courageous marks in the back line? Kellaway of course. Im going to miss watching that.

Yes Andy was our best player that day, but do you honestly think THAT stop, look around, chip style of game is what Terry wants long term? No, he wants players prepared to take the ball, carry and thump it forward. That was never Kellaways style.

And getting Graham from Hawthorn for one year did?

TW came in and took over a basket case of a club that had no spirit whatsover. Graham was brought in to add some experience to the backline in the short term whilst some of the kids were brought through. Thursfield has been quoted on a number of occaisons mentioning how much he learnt from Graham. You could hardly expect TW to take over a wooden spoon team, weave a magic wand and expect the team to suddenly take on his gameplan and be successful at it.

Yeah fair enough, im not sold on Shultz up back. Polak should be good and i didn't realise we were going to play Hughes in the back line. We have Thursfield but Moore hasn't impressed me yet.

I'm not sold on Jay up back either. Training reports do indicate Cleve is training down back, what the intention is there I'm not sure. Kel Moore can play, he just hasn't been able to get his body right. If he can't, I'd strongly suggest he'd be first player delisted come October 2007.

One player I forgot is JON, I am almost positive we will see him play 'tall' in the future and burn players with his speed once the ball is in posession.

You do make some good points..

I'm never wrong

And we are moving forward. IMO whats best for the club is giving our players the send of they deserve and if fit they deserve to play out their career with us. We didn't give Kellaway that, we should play the best players as well as train younger players. I just feel one or two more years for Kellaway would have been perfect for him and us.

The send off they deserve? Andy was offered the chance to play in R22 and retire gracefully with long term team mates in Chaffey and Stafford, he chose not to, to place himself in the draft and have 15 other clubs make the same decision on him that Richmond did.

Don't get me wrong, I love Andy and the service he gave to our club but his time had come.

No doubt, like i said, we are looking forward. I agree with everything TW has done except this one thing - which is getting rid of Kellaway too early.

Many, many people aren't mate, and this was one of the things not really directed at you. Have a look around the place and see the comparisons being made between the Kingsley signing and Kellaway delistings.

 

[meltiger]

Also take into account I am not truly sold on Terry's gameplan, but if you look at the type of players drafted again this year, the direction he is taking Richmond is very very clear.

He has been quite open in the direction he beleives the game is going and it is abundantly clear he is grooming a Richmond team that will be able to play that fast paced style of game.

Whilst not sold, I do have the confidence that we have a very very good coach at Punt Road and am prepared to sit back and watch his plan unfold.

 

[camsmith]

We need this new multi-quote button many forums have been getting lately lol

Never figured out how to do that..?

Bear in mind my response wasn't directed specifically at you mate, just head-in-hands frustration at some of the truly ridiculous rubbish I have been reading from morons over the last two days ...

My thinking is, if we can get 120-130 goals from Richo/Shulz/Kingsley we are halfway to playing finals

No probs.

Thats my thinking as well, although Shulz will likely play up back more than forward (?) Remembering we have a guy called Browny who can kick a few goals as well. Im looking forward to see how we set up our forward line.

Richo CHF and Kingsley FF?

Yes Andy was our best player that day, but do you honestly think THAT stop, look around, chip style of game is what Terry wants long term? No, he wants players prepared to take the ball, carry and thump it forward. That was never Kellaways style.

Of course not, but i dont agree with you on Kellaway's style. He could adapt do whatever game plan. You dont see Gasper as a quick, thump it forward kind of player either.

TW came in and took over a basket case of a club that had no spirit whatsover. Graham was brought in to add some experience to the backline in the short term whilst some of the kids were brought through. Thursfield has been quoted on a number of occaisons mentioning how much he learnt from Graham. You could hardly expect TW to take over a wooden spoon team, weave a magic wand and expect the team to suddenly take on his gameplan and be successful at it.

And all good points made, i just feel we are still young and still need a touch of experience up back. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one i think.

I'm not sold on Jay up back either. Training reports do indicate Cleve is training down back, what the intention is there I'm not sure. Kel Moore can play, he just hasn't been able to get his body right. If he can't, I'd strongly suggest he'd be first player delisted come October 2007.

Cleve up back? mmm.. thats an interesting one. Could work, no harm in trying i guess.

One player I forgot is JON, I am almost positive we will see him play 'tall' in the future and burn players with his speed once the ball is in posession.

Yeah almost forgot about him.. hopefully the injuries will stay away for him (and Tambling) and we'll be able to see their talent being displayed constantly - Not just flashes of it.

I'm never wrong

Not often mate.. Kev might think otherwise however. :sarcasm:

The send off they deserve? Andy was offered the chance to play in R22 and retire gracefully with long term team mates in Chaffey and Stafford, he chose not to, to place himself in the draft and have 15 other clubs make the same decision on him that Richmond did.

Don't get me wrong, I love Andy and the service he gave to our club but his time had come.

Fair enough... im just after ONE more year. But we cant change anything now....

Many, many people aren't mate, and this was one of the things not really directed at you. Have a look around the place and see the comparisons being made between the Kingsley signing and Kellaway delistings.

Ive taken a break from the tiges forum. But lets hope we're all proved wrong on the departure of Kellaway. Like i said before i think we had nothing to lose with Kingsey so we might as well have picked him up.

Merry Christmas mate. Not long till we start seeing some footy!