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Broncodr01d

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2010 NFL Combine

Moving forward from the BS in this forum yesterday, the NFL Combine is upon us. Discuss it here. I've posted the following to get all in to the spirit. Enjoy.

From ESPN's Adam Schefter, his 'Five memorable combine performances' (ESPN Insider member blog, I can't provide link):

Five memorable combine performances
February, 24, 2010


Starting Wednesday, some of college football's top prospects will begin working out to impress NFL teams and improve their draft stock at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis. Some players' stock will soar. Others will sink. But inevitably, there will be some memorable performances that leave teams talking even after the 2010 NFL draft. Here's a look back at five of the most memorable performances in combine history:

• Florida State Seminoles CB Deion Sanders (1989): Back in 1989, the scouting combine wasn't the event it is today. Reporters and cameras were not allowed in to the workouts to document them. So when Deion ran a sub-4.2 40-yard dash -- believed to be the fastest time ever run at the combine -- NFL personnel men stood and drooled. Those who saw it still remember it. Even before he entered the NFL, Sanders left his mark.


• Ohio State Buckeyes RB Maurice Clarett (2005): After being denied entry to the NFL in 2004, Clarett arrived at the combine in 2005 intent upon proving who he was. He did, but not in the way he wanted. Clarett ran in some of the 40-yard dashes at the RCA Dome, and then opted to put on his sweatshirt and not finish the running drills. NFL scouts were aghast that Clarett would quit; what he did is exactly what coaches teach their players never to do -- and then Clarett went out again and did it in the NFL.

• Boston College Eagles LB Mike Mamula (1995): Mamula might have defined "workout warrior," the player who "looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane." Mamula ran a 4.62 40-yard dash, put up 26 reps on the 225-pound bench press and saw himself skyrocket to the No. 7 overall pick of the Philadelphia Eagles. Mamula played six seasons, registering 209 tackles and 31.5 sacks -- but he never was better than he was in Indianapolis in 1995.

• East Carolina Pirates RB Chris Johnson (2008): Many projected Johnson as a second- or third-round pick. Then he arrived in Indianapolis and ran a 4.24 40-yard dash (video of it here), which tied the mark that Eastern Kentucky wide receiver Rondel Melendez set in 1999, the first year the combine used electronic timers. Johnson shot up the draft board as fast as he ran, and wound up becoming the Tennessee Titans' first-round pick.

• Purdue Boilermakers CB Rod Woodson (1987): Before there was Deion Sanders, there was Rod Woodson. Difference was, Woodson was 25-30 pounds heavier -- and nearly as fast. Woodson ran a 4.29 40-yard dash. At 210 pounds. And Woodson was as old-school then as he is today -- and a lock to become one of the great cornerbacks in NFL history.

Source: espn.com (as stated, no link as you need to be a paying member to their ESPN Insider option)
 

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Im looking forward to the combine
the best part about it is they have all their work outs and tapes on the guys on NFL.com
Ill spend pretty much all my spare time not spent on NRL and Uni, between now and april looking at all the combine tape i can on NFL.com checking all the talent

Ill be initially focusing on DE's, LB's and DB's but i love watching the RB and WR tapes
 

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Combine Live Wire: February 24th

With players and NFL personal arriving in Indianapolis for the 2010 edition of the combine, TFYDraftInsiders.com begins one week of intense coverage from the event. Here are a few notes on what players are doing entering the combine and the word on the street about potential labor unrest in the league.

- Recently there have been articles and video of Tim Tebow working hard in Tennessee on changing his throwing mechanics. We can tell you the entire process has been much more difficult than many are making it out to be. Several sources have told us the circus that followed Tebow around at the Senior Bowl traveled with him to Tennessee as he prepares for pre-draft workouts. It seems Tebow’s workouts have been interrupted daily for marketing meetings and appearances. One source told us Tebow has had to schedule his workouts around the plans of his marketing people. One such case just more than a week ago when the former Heisman Trophy winner was scheduled to appear at the Daytona 500 for an appearance on behalf of a sponsor. In order to get his necessary work in, Tebow started his workout just after 5AM the day he was scheduled to leave. There are camera’s following him around everywhere on the field and one wonders how the quarterback stays focused. All we’ve spoken with says there’s no questioning Tebow’s dedication as he does what ever is asked of him. The problem seems to be to many people, especially his marketing handlers, are asking way to much of him and the former Gator quarterback has been spread to thin. He won’t throw at the combine, which is a good thing to those who’ve viewed his workouts as Tebow is struggling getting accustomed to his new throwing form.

- Sam Bradford has announced he will not throw at the combine and from those who watched him workout recently, that’s not a bad idea. Evidently Bradford was allowed to let loose during his training last week in Florida. Sources have said his deep outs fluttered and showed little speed. Evidently Bradford has not impressed to many people with his athleticism either.

- Evidently there’s bad information being passed around the worldwide web as some have reported Central Michigan’s Dan LeFevour will not workout at the combine. We can tell you this is false. LeFevour will complete the entire running/jumping workout then participate in at least 50% of the passing workout. During his pro-day in March, LeFevour is scheduled to throw near 80 passes.

-Jonathan Crompton, the underrated and non-combine invitee, continues the momentum from his solid showing at the Texas vs The Nation Game. Sources have said Compton continues to throw the ball well and is expected to shine during his pro-day.

- Norfolk State receiver Chris Bell recently ran under 4.4 seconds in the forty after tipping the scales at 211 pounds. Several watches had the relatively unknown receiver as fast as 4.37 seconds.

- Bruce Campbell continued to impress people in his preparation for the combine. Sources on hand in Florida told us the big offensive tackle recently clocked 4.67-seconds in the forty after tipping the scales at 310-pounds.

- UMass tackle Vladimir Ducasse expects to complete just over 35-reps on the bench during his combine workout. Not bad for someone whose arms measured 34 inches at the Senior Bowl.

- Adrian Tracy of William and Mary has looked awesome in recent workouts. He’s been running in the 4.6-second range at just over 250-pounds but more importantly, Tracey has looked terrific incoverage when working on linebacker drills.

- South Carolina junior Robert Geathers has been running in the 4.8-second range after weighing in at 308-pounds. We are told he’s a legit 6-feet, 7-inches and will complete 35 reps on the bench despite his long arms. The consensus from scouts we spoke with is Geathers fits into the 3rd/4th round range.

- One player that has really stood out to us during our film work is Kansas State cornerback Joshua Moore. The junior left Kansas State because of financial responsibilities. Sources say had Moore stuck around another season in college he likely would’ve been a top 30 pick in 2011. As it stands now Moore has been running forty times in the low 4.4’s and measured right around 6-feet and 190-pounds.We see the cornerback as a surprise top 75 pick in April.

- Will a great combine workout save Taylor Mays plummeting draft stock? Not likely according to those we’ve spoken with. Evidently the USC people were forewarning scouts prior to the Senior Bowl that the big safety was really going to struggle in coverage drills during the week and it was well documented he did. We took a lot of heat saying a move to outside linebacker was not out of the question for Mays. Two NFC East teams have told us they now have Mays on their draft board rated as a linebacker. The comparisons people aremaking range for Mays from Thomas Davis to former Trojan Darnell Bing.

"http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=740"
 
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Broncodr01d

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And the circus for Tebow is evident right there, it's a new level for scrutiny for a upcoming NFL rookie ... we will leave it alone hey? ;-)

Thanks for the link, the site looks a winner.
 

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And the circus for Tebow is evident right there, it's a new level for scrutiny for a upcoming NFL rookie ... we will leave it alone hey? ;-)

Thanks for the link, the site looks a winner.

sounds like it is of his own doing to be honest. I always thought it was a bad idea to change his throwing style a couple months away from the draft let alone at all. you would think the arguably best ever collegiate qb wouldnt need to
 
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[EDITED-No need to add further fuel to fire]

Note: Peyton Manning, another who joins any debate about the greatest collegiate QB o fall-time, also had to make minor changes to his action.
 
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[EDITED-No need to add further fuel to fire]

Note: Peyton Manning, another who joins any debate about the greatest collegiate QB o fall-time, also had to make minor changes to his action.

Manning didn't win squat in college, his college numbers pale in comparison to Leinart and Wuerffel
 

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Don Beebe ran a 4.22 at the combine aparently, probably the fastest ever white guy in the NFL, which pushed up his stocks enough for Buffalo to draft him.
 

Broncodr01d

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Manning didn't win squat in college, his college numbers pale in comparison to Leinart and Wuerffel

Pale in comparison?

Manning threw for more yards than either player and whilst he was behind in TD passes (89 to Wuerffel's 114, Leinharts 99), 89 TD passes isn't 'small'.

Peyton Manning enters any debate when talking about the greatest college QB's of all-time. Don't agree? You have NFI (oopsy).

The end.

p.s. Go check back with the other site(s) you're a member of (oh yeah, we see ya) and copy/paste some more back here when you get a chance ;-)
 

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Pale in comparison?

Manning threw for more yards than either player and whilst he was behind in TD passes (89 to Wuerffel's 114, Leinharts 99), 89 TD passes isn't 'small'.

Peyton Manning enters any debate when talking about the greatest college QB's of all-time. Don't agree? You have NFI (oopsy).

The end.

p.s. Go check back with the other site(s) you're a member of (oh yeah, we see ya) and copy/paste some more back here when you get a chance ;-)

Whatever dude, agree to disagree, but you really post like a tosser sometimes....
 

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John Elway and Peyton Manning were among the greatest pro prospects of all-time, and you'd take either of them in a heartbeat to play on your college team, but they each won a fat load of jack squat. I know, I know, Manning won one, one SEC title and technically played in a national title game in the 1998 Orange Bowl, but going 0-4 against Florida and not playing in a true title game like we have now knocks him out compared to the others on my list.

good quote
 

Broncodr01d

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Appreciate the effort.

This all stemming from the simple fact that I dared to say 'arguably the greatest collegiate QB of all-time (Tebow)' .... :eek:

Let's stick to the combine. Hijacking can stop now.
 

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Source: ESPN Insider, from ESPN.com, no link as you need to be a paying member

Tebow takes turn, with Holmgren on deck
February, 26, 2010

By Mike Sando

INDIANAPOLIS -- Quarterback Tim Tebow just finished holding court with a large group of reporters at the NFL combine.

Once the session ended, Tebow picked up digital recorders from the podium and handed them to their owners in the media.

It was good form, but not the kind of good form NFL teams care about. Tebow has adjusted his throwing delivery to appease NFL personnel people, but like most of the top quarterbacks, he won't be throwing at the combine.

That struck me as ridiculous even though it's typical.

Consider: The most effective quarterback in college football might not be a good fit for the NFL. Said quarterback expresses strong determination to prove himself, then passes up a chance to demonstrate the one skill every good quarterback must possess -- an ability to throw the football -- to every coach and scout in the league.

Former Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren is scheduled to address reporters here shortly. Back in a bit with thoughts on his comments.

Tim Tebow steals the show
February, 26, 2010

By Bill Williamson
INDIANAPOLIS -- It may be a long shot that Tim Tebow joins the AFC West.

If he does, make some room. He attracts a crowd.

Tebow, by far, drew the largest media contingent of the NFL combine thus far for his interview session. As soon as the Florida quarterback was announced, reporters and photographers rushed to his assigned podium.

It was standing room only. Tebow didn’t disappoint. He smiled, laughed and even signed a reporter’s notebook. The reporter didn’t ask for the memento.

Tebow is a charmer, no doubt about it.

The question NFL teams want answered, of course, is whether he can throw. We won’t find that out here because Tebow has decided against tossing the ball. The mystery continues.

But we do know he can he take over a room.

Holmgren: Tough to fix Tebow's mechanics
February, 26, 2010

By Mike Sando

INDIANAPOLIS -- The transition from Florida quarterback Tim Tebow to Browns president Mike Holmgren in the NFL combine media room was an appropriate one.

Holmgren has long thought it virtually impossible for quarterbacks to make significant changes to their throwing motions and overall deliveries. Tebow, of course, is trying to change his mechanics.

"The things we are looking at right now is, he played in a system offense that used to be unique and is a little bit different than what we ask quarterbacks to do in our league most of the time," Holmgren said. "The second thing is, his motion has been talked about a little bit. It's always been my opinion that is the most difficult thing to change in any quarterback. I've read he has a lot of guys coaching him up on that and he is trying to change it. It's really hard to do, I think, particularly in pressure situations."

I'd be shocked if a Holmgren-coached team drafted Tebow and surprised if a Holmgren-presidented team selected him.

"Do you want a Tim Tebow on your football team?" Holmgren said. "I think absolutely. Absolutely. You need guys like that, players like that. That is an ongoing study that will go right up to the draft as far as we are concerned. I wish him well. I love him as a young man and as a player. It's just how he will translate into our league."
 

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sounds like it is of his own doing to be honest. I always thought it was a bad idea to change his throwing style a couple months away from the draft let alone at all. you would think the arguably best ever collegiate qb wouldnt need to
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College and NFL are completely different in terms of offence.
His throwing style needs to be changed, he drops way too low and it was heavily exploited at the Senior Bowl.
I think it's more important that he work on taking snaps from center, he's not very comfortable with that at all.

I think it's a good idea and I also think it's a good idea that he's not throwing, he can work on other things like his strength and fitness to impress.
He's not going to win anyone over with his throwing being tinkered at the moment.
 

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Some great Bench results with Okung getting 38 reps, and Mitch Petrus tying the Record with 45.
 

Broncodr01d

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College and NFL are completely different in terms of offence.
His throwing style needs to be changed, he drops way too low and it was heavily exploited at the Senior Bowl.
I think it's more important that he work on taking snaps from center, he's not very comfortable with that at all.

I think it's a good idea and I also think it's a good idea that he's not throwing, he can work on other things like his strength and fitness to impress.
He's not going to win anyone over with his throwing being tinkered at the moment.

Someone gets it.

Nice post.

Again,

Holmgren has long thought it virtually impossible for quarterbacks to make significant changes to their throwing motions and overall deliveries. Tebow, of course, is trying to change his mechanics.

"The things we are looking at right now is, he played in a system offense that used to be unique and is a little bit different than what we ask quarterbacks to do in our league most of the time," Holmgren said. "The second thing is, his motion has been talked about a little bit. It's always been my opinion that is the most difficult thing to change in any quarterback. I've read he has a lot of guys coaching him up on that and he is trying to change it. It's really hard to do, I think, particularly in pressure situations."
 

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Lots of Combine info coming in:

Terrance Cody weighs in at 354, which is 17 pounds less than he weighed at the Senior Bowl.

Trindon Holliday runs the 40 really fast. Official times aren't up yet, but unofficially somewhere between 4.22 and 4.27.

Maryland offensive Tackle Bruce Campbell, expected to really dazzle in workouts, runs the 40 somewhere between 4.78 and 4.81 (he's over 6'6 and weighs 314 pounds and cut like a body-builder).

Florida DE Carlos Dunlap, listed at 290, comes in smaller than expected at 277.
 

abpanther

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Lots of Combine info coming in:

Terrance Cody weighs in at 354, which is 17 pounds less than he weighed at the Senior Bowl.

Trindon Holliday runs the 40 really fast. Official times aren't up yet, but unofficially somewhere between 4.22 and 4.27.

Maryland offensive Tackle Bruce Campbell, expected to really dazzle in workouts, runs the 40 somewhere between 4.78 and 4.81 (he's over 6'6 and weighs 314 pounds and cut like a body-builder).

Florida DE Carlos Dunlap, listed at 290, comes in smaller than expected at 277.
 

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