2012 Toyota Cup squads

[Big Pete]

If the NZ dominance keeps up I reckon they'll adjust the competition to Under 23's.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Not necessarily useless...

Of course not. Jason's an absolute freak, probably a future international.

Just because Warner's not as good as him doesn't mean he (Warner) isn't capable of becoming a first grader.

If the NZ dominance keeps up I reckon they'll adjust the competition to Under 23's.

I guess that's one way of evening things up.

But if they pushed it up to 23s they'd need to bring in some other category between it and SG Ball. So they'd probably have an under 20s comp anyway even if it wasn't as important as the current NYC. They would probably go back to calling it Jersey Flegg.

But under 23s is problematic for another reason - all the best players would already be in their clubs' fulltime squads, so any under 23s comp would be full of second tier players.

Maybe an under 23s comp could just outright replace reserve grade? But then you'd need a way for clubs to give their over 23s some match fitness when they come back from injury, or even somewhere for them to drop their out-of-form over 23s.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

If the NZ dominance keeps up I reckon they'll adjust the competition to Under 23's.

Remember though we didn't waltz right through the grand final this year, had the Cowboys kicked their last conversion they'd have won the GF, it was a very close thing. And Souths were the minor premiers in 2010.

 

[billy2]

The strength of the Warriors shows that clubs are wrong to base selection for 20s on form in Mathews and Ball.
The Newcastle games against the Warriors were the most useful games of the season, because they clearly showed that many players could not tackle players who had played and trained as seniors, as all the Warriors have.
The best player for the Knights this season was Sam Anderson, who played seniors for Kurri Kurri Bulldogs in the Newcastle local comp last year. I expect to see a lot more 19 year olds who have made firstgrade in the local comp get a run next year.

 

[Big Pete]

Poupou Escobar - Ideally the ARL would make reserve grade the national grade and all the other players would player in their local colts competition until they're eligible. The only aspect you risk losing is the education the ARL passes onto all the Toyota Cup players but I don't think there's anything stopping them from running those camps for players of those ages and ensuring they've got a fallback if their League career doesn't work out.

Really just food for thought as I don't see the NYC changing anytime soon.

SpaceMonkey - You're right, it was never a sure thing but I'm speaking hypothetically if the Kiwis continue their success for 3 or more seasons I could see things changing.

Let's not discount the Warriors success in 2008 either. If it wasn't for one of the flukiest tries in the history of flukiest tries (in the grand final with Greg Dowling in Origin) they would have been on their way to a Grand Final and for all we know could have won another championship to make it 3/4. But then again, it wasn't like I was complaining at the time.

 

[richies]

can anyone use actionphotos any more since the change of his website?
I cant find jack :x

 

[overandout]

can anyone use actionphotos any more since the change of his website?
I cant find jack :x

I just went and had a look and it seemed to be working.

 

[Usain Bolt]

Warriors should always be near the top in this competition. They have the ability to lure some of the best rugby union talent that is just leaving school as playing u20s in the NRL is far more appealing then playing in rugby academys around NZ.

Look out for Braxton Stanley, comes from the same Auckland Grammar 1st XV Omar Slaimankhel and Koni Hurrell are from. Also they got Ngataua Hukatai who was a member of the NZ secondary schools rugby team and Albert Vete who was captain for the St Kents 1st XV who won the Auckland comp and NZ Co-Ed title. Pity they didnt get Roger Tuivasa-Scheck though

 

[mean_maori_mean]

Warriors should always be near the top in this competition. They have the ability to lure some of the best rugby union talent that is just leaving school as playing u20s in the NRL is far more appealing then playing in rugby academys around NZ.

Look out for Braxton Stanley, comes from the same Auckland Grammar 1st XV Omar Slaimankhel and Koni Hurrell are from. Also they got Ngataua Hukatai who was a member of the NZ secondary schools rugby team and Albert Vete who was captain for the St Kents 1st XV who won the Auckland comp and NZ Co-Ed title. Pity they didnt get Roger Tuivasa-Scheck though

Please warriors arent the best because of their rugby players.
They are the best because of the number of talented league players in auckland and the quality of their own development system.

Purely on the local league talent in Auckland alone they could field two NYC teams that could compete in NZRL.
Nevermind areas like Wellington & Waikato

They dont even need to sign rugby players.
But they would be dumb not to trial and entice some of the creme of the rugby scene.

Yes, Ngani Lumape, roger sheck & hukatai made the NZ rugby side but all played league at junior or

Lumape & Sheck played league this year. Both were selected to trial for NZ 18s league side.

 

[isaiah]

titans
ardler, beddow, caleb binge, chadburn, dawney, j.dixon, durheim, elgey, fogarty, z.friend, c.gronuold, guymer, m.hall, n.harrold, s.harrold, hartin, hobday, huges, irwin, johnson, kilian, laurenson, mariu-james, mcdonald, miller, murphy, nia, olive, perry, prowse, rowles, sumpton, taylor, teo, tikiri, tighe, williams, and vaoa

photos on action photographics website

 

[richies]

weres the bloody dogs
every year he leaves them last :x

 

[isaiah]

cowboys

abdul- rahman, beasley, beetham, bradtke, cassidy, crowley, dean, dorante, elisala, elliott, feldt, c.foster, s.foster, gadd, hancock, hodges, jonsson, f.kaufusi, p.kaufusi, kellaher, lowe, mciver, norford, o'neill, puna, rycen, santo. svendsen, f.vuekiso, j.vuekiso

photos on action photographics website

 

[goosie]

penrith???

 

[Big Pete]

Penrith Panthers NYC

Adam Docker
Blake South
Bradley Cheshire
Bryce Cartwright
Cameron Picker
Clay Robinson
Corey Carl
Daniel Foster
Duan Poaneki
Ethan Anderson
Iain Riccardi
Jack Lee Hang
Jack Twist
Mitchell Clark
Nicholas Mataia
Nick Walker
Reece Regan
Rhys Lanarduzzi
Sean McGuiness
Simon Gregory
Suni Fatailofa
Tim Degante
Toby Evans
Tom Einsuth
Tom Romer
Uafei Lavaki
Wesley Taaga
Zac Mackay
Zion Ahu

NYC Eligible - NRL Squad
Harry Seijka
Vaipuna Tia Kilifi

A few names missing. I'm sure a Penrith fan could elaborate.

 

[Godz Illa]

www.dragons.com.au have the profiles up

NRL under 20's:
Evander Cummins
Nathan Green
Jack Stockwell

NYC squad:
Jarred Allen
Kayne Brennan
Taylor Brown
Jack Buchanan
Michael Bullock
Daniel Burke
Sam Clune
Kal Collins
Sam Coster
Taylor Fepuleai
Julian Flego
Luke Gallagher
Craig Garvey
Brock Gilmour
Yaw Kiti Glyman
Jordan Hay
Jai Ingram
Blake Jones
Chris Lewis
Kyle Martens
Jackson Merritt
Ben Musolino
Jacob Neill
Ryan O'Connor
Ben Petre
Blake Phillips
Adam Quinlan
Charly Runciman
Todd Ryan
Kem Seru
Jamie Stanley
Mitchell Stokes
Andrew Sultana
Azan Turoa

 

[franklin2323]

Penrith Panthers NYC
Blake South
Bradley Cheshire
Bryce Cartwright
Cameron Picker
Clay Robinson
Corey Carl
Daniel Foster
Ethan Anderson
James Galvin
Iain Riccardi
Jack Lee Hang
Mitchell Clark
Nicholas Mataia
Nick Walker
Reece Regan
Sean McGuiness
Simon Gregory
Suni Fatailofa
Tim Dengate
Toby Evans
Tom Einshuth
Tom Romer
Uafei Lavaki
Wesley Taaga
Zac Mackay
James Horo
Tony Satini
James Campbell
Josh Butfield
Michael Crompton
Harry Seijka
Vaipuna Tia Kilifi

A few names missing. I'm sure a Penrith fan could elaborate.[/QUOTE]

 

[Panther_Daz]

George Jennings will be in the Penrith 20's squad.

 

[billy2]

Knights squad

Tye Alchin - prop who played for Macquarie last year and Ball the year before
Josh Allison - centre or wing from Ball 2011
Chad Chandler - utility back from Ball 2011
Will Clarke - prop from Ball 2011
Nathan Clarke - prop from NYC 2011
Dale Clacherty - centre - Carlsen medal winner - 3rd year of NYC
Adam Clydesdale - hooker from Ball 2011
Geordie Connelly - centre, 5/8, fullback - second year of NYC
Tyrone Dodd - wing - from Ball 2010
James Elias - centre - played Ball and NYC in 2011 - NSW rep
Jackson Hill - tall try scoring second row from Ball 2011
Matt Ireland - fullback - played NYC 2011
Chris Knight - hooker - played NYC in 2011
Kennedy Lauti - prop - in the NYC squad last year, but i don't remember him playing
Jeremy Ma'a - giant prop - played Ball and some NYC in 2011
Rob Mason - giant prop - played Ball and for Maitlan in the real NRL in 2011
Pat Mata'utia - fullback, wing - played Ball and NYC in 2011
Heath McIlveen - prop from Gunedah - AIS tourist 2010
Maipele Morseau - fullback, halfback - played NYC in 2011
Kailem Perkins - Qld cup for Mackay Cutters 2011
Api Pewhairangi - 5/8, centre - played NYC and firstgrade trials 2010, 2011
Nichola Pfeiffer - ??????
Nick Ritter - wing and goal kicker - played Ball in 2011
Ben Roose - lock or second row - played Ball and NYC in 2011
Tom Rouse - 5/8 or half - played Ball and NYC in 2011
Jason Savin - second row or prop - played Ball and NYC in 2011
Josh Skaines - from Inverell - group 19 rep player 2011
Michael Steel - prop - played Ball and NYC in 2011
Tyler Sullivan - centre, 5/8, half, hooker, lock - 4th year of NYC
Alai Taufaao - half or hooker - 3rd year of NYC, Tongan senior international
Napoleon Utai - wing - giant winger who played some Ball in 2011

add the guys training with firstgrade
Chanel Mata'utia,
Chad Redman,
Korbin Sims,
Will Smith
Alex McKinnon

 

[Noa]

Courtesy of Fizer at thebaistand.com

Mboya Adams(1992) - From Broncos, Prop.
Kirisome A'auva(1992)
Dean Britt(1994) - Bulldogs HM Squad. Backrow.
Richard Kennar(1994) - Storm SG Ball.
Michael butson(1994) - Canterbury NZ. Centre.
Dane Chang(?) - Storm Sg Ball.
Matt Constantinou(1992)
Karl Davies(1992)
James Desaxe(1994) - Storm SG Ball
Aleki Falepaini(1993) - Storm SG Ball
Herschell Gideon(1993)
Brayden Williame(1992)
Joshua Tunnicliffe(1993) - North Devils/East Tigers. Hooker.
Jerome Wilson(1992)
Cade Umaga(1993) - Wellington. Backrow.
Ben Meehan(1993) - Souths Logan. Half. Rugby Player.
Waita Setu(1992) - Broncos.
Damien Sironen(1992)
Jay Lobwein - NQ Cowboys. Hooker. Cowboys Profile.
Zach Moimoi(1992)
Steve Liki(1993)
Jack Joass(1992) - East Tigers. Fullback.
Barnabas Tavu'i-Leota(1992)
Alex Langbridge(1993) - Manly Sg Ball. Five-Eight.
Jordan Shepard(1994) - Backrow.
Rhys Kennedy(1994)
Harry Moore(1994) - Backrow.
Josh Cocker-Valu(1993) - St Peters Auckland. Wing.
Sheldon Powe-Hobbs(1992) - Northern Pride.
Tom Shearman(1993) - Mudgee.
Pride Peterson-Robati(1995) - Storm Sg Ball
Young Tonumaipea(1992)
Mahe Founa(1992)
Matt McGahan(1993)
Ben Hampton (1992)
Tohu Harris(1992)
Denny Solomona(1993)
Ryan Pooley(1992)


Alot will depend on where Ben hampton spends most of the season. he's not looking out of place with the top squad so far this pre-season. Solomona has also spent all pre-season with the first team, could easily end up POTY. Matt McGahan will be a year more acclimatised to league and keep an eye out for Richie kennar and Pride Petterson Robati when/if they get a run.

 

[Tizzun]

Is Krys Freeman still at the Storm, or moved on?