2013 Draw wishlist

[BunniesMan]

So it makes a difference, but not a massive one. Not a big enough difference to justify having the Broncos every single week I wouldn't have thought, but then I'm not a TV exec.

A 15% ratings hit is pretty "massive". That equalls a lot of $ in the end.

 

[Timmah]

While I agree and understand Bunniesman, there is still no justification for ALL EIGHTEEN MATCHES.

I think people would understand better maybe 14 or 15 out of 18... ALL OF THEM is ridiculous and unbalanced.

 

[Expansion]

Let wait and see if it comes to fruition. So far the draw hasn't been finalised.

 

[Big Sam]

Thank you to those of you who answered my question regarding draw composition. It would appear that if the Sydney clubs are requesting to play the other Sydney clubs twice, and Melbourne and the QLD clubs do the same, we are possibly heading down the path of a conference-style comp in the future.

 

[RWB]

Let wait and see if it comes to fruition. So far the draw hasn't been finalised.

Not to mention the rumoured numbers don't even check out so the article loses all credibility immediately.

Is it that obvious it's the off season?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Thank you to those of you who answered my question regarding draw composition. It would appear that if the Sydney clubs are requesting to play the other Sydney clubs twice, and Melbourne and the QLD clubs do the same, we are possibly heading down the path of a conference-style comp in the future.

Conference-style draw maybe, not necessarily a conference style comp.

 

[undertaker]

Conference-style draw maybe, not necessarily a conference style comp.

I'm in favour of a conference-style draw, but a conference-style comp - unlike U.S. sports - would definitely not work in Australia due to the much smaller geographical area which would lead to disputes over conference groups

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Thank you to those of you who answered my question regarding draw composition. It would appear that if the Sydney clubs are requesting to play the other Sydney clubs twice, and Melbourne and the QLD clubs do the same, we are possibly heading down the path of a conference-style comp in the future.

Think you're on the money Sam. Logic says that with the 2 extra out of town teams....say perth and either 2nd Qld or central coast you will end up with 9 sydney & 9 non-sydney teams. Imo sydney teams will play each other twice (home & away)...16 games total and play non sydney teams only once each (9 games). Gives you a total of 25 rounds and gives all the Sydney teams a chance to maximise their crowds and continue their traditional clashes. Non Sydney teams would do the opposite....(i.e home and away v's non Sydney teams and play Sydney teams once only each year)

 

[applesauce]

Think you're on the money Sam. Logic says that with the 2 extra out of town teams....say perth and either 2nd Qld or central coast you will end up with 9 sydney & 9 non-sydney teams. Imo sydney teams will play each other twice (home & away)...16 games total and play non sydney teams only once each (9 games). Gives you a total of 25 rounds and gives all the Sydney teams a chance to maximise their crowds and continue their traditional clashes. Non Sydney teams would do the opposite....(i.e home and away v's non Sydney teams and play Sydney teams once only each year)

Doubt that would happen. Bit rough asking interstate teams to play each other twice (increasing travel) and Sydney teams can basically camp out in Sydney.

The AFL has a huge backlash when their draw favour Melbourne teams having little interstate travel and have changed the draw to accommodate this for the most part. The same thing will happen with us.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Doubt that would happen. Bit rough asking interstate teams to play each other twice (increasing travel) and Sydney teams can basically camp out in Sydney.

The AFL has a huge backlash when their draw favour Melbourne teams having little interstate travel and have changed the draw to accommodate this for the most part. The same thing will happen with us.

Whilst it certainly would be a benefit for the Sydney clubs (probably 4 extra Sydney games a year as compared to a "random" draw), the only non-Sydney teams that would be greatly affected travel-wise would be Newie, and maybe the Raiders, as the rest of the out-of-town teams are flying "somewhere" for a game, so they are just flying somewhere else instead. Obviously assumes direct flights are available etc.

What you would hope would happen if a "conference draw" did eventuate, would be the draw to be structured so that teams could play NQ/Brisbane/GC away as a block so they didn't have to travel home in between if they didn't want to.

At least with this kind of draw the Raiders would be guaranteed at least 2 Friday night games per season against the Broncs

 

[BunniesMan]

I'm all for the NRL paying a $ figure to non Sydney teams equal to the greater cost of their travel if it meant more SydneyvSydney games. That way Sydney teams get more rivalry games (which increases attendance and makes more money for them) AND non Sydney teams get their travel bill reduced. Win win.

 

[Expansion]

Not to mention the rumoured numbers don't even check out so the article loses all credibility immediately.

Is it that obvious it's the off season?

I would say so, yes.

 

[skeepe]

Think you're on the money Sam. Logic says that with the 2 extra out of town teams....say perth and either 2nd Qld or central coast you will end up with 9 sydney & 9 non-sydney teams. Imo sydney teams will play each other twice (home & away)...16 games total and play non sydney teams only once each (9 games). Gives you a total of 25 rounds and gives all the Sydney teams a chance to maximise their crowds and continue their traditional clashes. Non Sydney teams would do the opposite....(i.e home and away v's non Sydney teams and play Sydney teams once only each year)

The only people who think a Sydney conference and a non-Sydney conference are a good idea are people who live in Sydney and support Sydney clubs.

Stop being so insular. It's not the NSWRL anymore.

 

[docbrown]

In my opinion an 18 team competition is manageable without divisions and conferences but a 20 team competition would benefit from a further breakdown. You need only look at the 1995 ladder progression to see why.

I don't think you would need two conferences. The use of derby performances within geographical divisions determining home finals would be enough.

If for example the next four teams that are admitted to the comp are from Central Coast, Perth, New Zealand and Queensland, then I would suggest the following:

Queensland Division (Brisbane, Gold Coast, North Queensland, QLD4)
Eastern Sydney Division (Cronulla, Manly, Souths, Roosters)
Western Sydney Division (Canterbury, Parramatta, Penrith, Wests)
Southern Division (Melbourne, Warriors, NZ2, WA)
Regional NSW Division (Canberra, Central Coast, Newcastle, St George Illawarra)

 

[Big Sam]

Queensland Division (Brisbane, Gold Coast, North Queensland, QLD4)
Eastern Sydney Division (Cronulla, Manly, Souths, Roosters)
Western Sydney Division (Canterbury, Parramatta, Penrith, Wests)
Southern Division (Melbourne, Warriors, NZ2, WA)
Regional NSW Division (Canberra, Central Coast, Newcastle, St George Illawarra)

Swap St Merge with Manly. They'd have a good rivalry with the Bears and the Knights and St Merge has a rivalry with all the teams in East Sydney.

 

[Expansion]

Depending on the how breakdown of he draw goes, division could make the draw very unfair.

 

[cleary89]

lol f**k that, some of our worst drawing games in there.

 

[docbrown]

The idea of a division is to create more geographical rivalries, not just to necessarily concentrate existing ones.

Keep in mind that these divisional game would only constitute 6 games for each team out of a 24 game season so teams still need to travel.

The more games with rivalries/consequences/marketing angles, the more fans through the gate. It's as simple as that.

 

[LineBall]

Nah. If we ever get to 20 teams, just have 19 rounds, and each team plays the others only once. This would be the fairest way of doing it.

 

[Quidgybo]

Nah. If we ever get to 20 teams, just have 19 rounds, and each team plays the others only once. This would be the fairest way of doing it.

You've just lost half your big home and away rivalries. The Broncos only visit Townsville once every two years and the Cowboys miss out on their biggest drawing match every other year. If the number of teams in the comp moves beyond 20 (and perhaps even beyond 18) we will rapidly reach a point where, if we want to keep these home and away rivalries, we'll have to accept that not every team can play every other in a season. That's when conferences will become a necessity. For example in a 24 team comp with four conferences of 6 teams, each team would play their conference rivals home and away for 10 games and then 4 teams from each of the other conferences for a total of 22 games. Top two or three from each conference go to the finals.

Leigh.