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2013

franklin2323

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I agree with you , we have the worst spine in the Nrl 1, 6.7. and 9.

I am not a fan Segeyaro either.I hope he proves me wrong. We haven,t solved our problems in the halves, Walsh and Coote aren,t the answer.
We have signed about six backrowers, we need halves, we need players that can score tries.

I remember people on this forum a couple of years back talking up Nafe Seluni and wanting Steve Kearney as coach.

Segeyaro has played 1st grade Nafe hadn't. The end of the season with Walsh/Coote in the halves we beat who we were meant to. That should continue next year. If we beat the average teams we will be around the bottom of the 8. If Walsh plays like we know he can we can be in the 8.

Whare can score tries. Roberts can score tries He will prob be the quickest at the club. Segeyaro will create tries when he comes on
 

franklin2323

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Maybe, Maybe not. We'll see when we get there.

But to be honest to suggest that Segeyaro isn't a first grader yet is silly. While this year he has been an impact player and may play the same role with us next year, the kid is most definitely first grade calibre and has all the tools required to be a genuine guy that breaks the game wide open.

He's played mostly first grade games this year (when fit), in a team that was top 5. I'm pretty sure...he will have the class to make us better.

Yeah. Like you I can see potential as early as next year in the squad. For me Whare in the Centres, Segeyaro getting atleast 40mins. Newton not starting are the keys to the season.
 

Big Mick

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I remember people on this forum a couple of years back talking up Nafe Seluni and wanting Steve Kearney as coach.

Man I'll put my hand up for that one.

I wanted Kearney back in the day...but DAMN is he a dud.

The dude basically took everything he learnt from Bellamy...and threw it all out the window thinking his approach was better :crazy::crazy::crazy:

Look at McGuire...exact Bellamy approach and has done particularly well in his rookie year.

Kearney just didn't apply his learning and that was truly surprising.

Nafe I was on board with as well, but he still had a lot of defensive liabilities at the time. I bought the hype at the time having seen him play exceptionally well in NYC. That case taught me to temper expectations for NYC guys a little bit. I still belive Nafe had the talent, I just don't think mentally he took the next step to become successful.

With regards to the spine. I agree to an extent and all your points are pariticularly valid.

Moylan will be unproven and who knows what happens there. I believe in the kid...but we don't know how he'll go in NRL till he gets a shot. Coote has done well at #6, but how well does he go with a full year and everyone now having a sample size to target his deficiencies? Who knows. Walsh...well yeah. Kingston/Segeyaro - Two different types of players but I think compliment each other well.

I think the largest problem with our spine THIS year was the surrounding talent was awful. How many games this season did our forward pack get absolutely monstered? A lot. How many times did we spread the ball out to the centres for them not to be effective or for the passing to stop at five-eight or the backrower? A lot.

I think that changes with some of the recruits we've brought in. Whare is more than capable of playing effective at centre and distributing the ball to his winger. He is an excellent timing centre.

The biggest change I see next year is in the forward pack. You say we brought in 6 backrowers but I think that's where our issue was this year. We had absolutely zero impact until Matt Robinson came on later in the year. At that point in time we saw what impact a good hole running/offloading backrower can offer to our attack. Next year our backrowers will be Sika Manu & Lewis Brown - two guys who can hit a hole with aggression & offload. Off the bench we'll have Robinson and maybe Newton or other recruit to come on and play a similar role.

The amount of times I saw this year that our attack was going well on tackles 1 & 2 with Grant/McKendry/Weston gaining metres and then get absolute stunted on tackles 3 & 4 when the ball reached our backrowers was particularly frustrating. I think THAT is our biggest improvement next year.

However, I agree with all your reservations. I do think that our greater talent in the supporting cast will help the development and play of our spine but.
 
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ashton

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Man I'll put my hand up for that one.

I wanted Kearney back in the day...but DAMN is he a dud.

The dude basically took everything he learnt from Bellamy...and threw it all out the window thinking his approach was better :crazy::crazy::crazy:

Look at McGuire...exact Bellamy approach and has done particularly well in his rookie year.

Kearney just didn't apply his learning and that was truly surprising.

Nafe I was on board with as well, but he still had a lot of defensive liabilities at the time. I bought the hype at the time having seen him play exceptionally well in NYC. That case taught me to temper expectations for NYC guys a little bit. I still belive Nafe had the talent, I just don't think mentally he took the next step to become successful.

With regards to the spine. I agree to an extent and all your points are pariticularly valid.

Moylan will be unproven and who knows what happens there. I believe in the kid...but we don't know how he'll go in NRL till he gets a shot. Coote has done well at #6, but how well does he go with a full year and everyone now having a sample size to target his deficiencies? Who knows. Walsh...well yeah. Kingston/Segeyaro - Two different types of players but I think compliment each other well.

I think the largest problem with our spine THIS year was the surrounding talent was awful. How many games this season did our forward pack get absolutely monstered? A lot. How many times did we spread the ball out to the centres for them not to be effective or for the passing to stop at five-eight or the backrower? A lot.

I think that changes with some of the recruits we've brought in. Whare is more than capable of playing effective at centre and distributing the ball to his winger. He is an excellent timing centre.

The biggest change I see next year is in the forward pack. You say we brought in 6 backrowers but I think that's where our issue was this year. We had absolutely zero impact until Matt Robinson came on later in the year. At that point in time we saw what impact a good hole running/offloading backrower can offer to our attack. Next year our backrowers will be Sika Manu & Lewis Brown - two guys who can hit a hole with aggression & offload. Off the bench we'll have Robinson and maybe Newton or other recruit to come on and play a similar role.

The amount of times I saw this year that our attack was going well on tackles 1 & 2 with Grant/McKendry/Weston gaining metres and then get absolute stunted on tackles 3 & 4 when the ball reached our backrowers was particularly frustrating. I think THAT is our biggest improvement next year.

However, I agree with all your reservations. I do think that our greater talent in the supporting cast will help the development and play of our spine but.

My biggest concern is the halfback position.
Walsh IMO is not first grade standard, and there doesn't seam to be a capable replacement. Whether management are chasing a halfback for 2014, I don't know.
Yes I like Moylan too.
I would play Blake Austin at five eight and Coote back to fullback.

Just my opinion.
 

Doomednow

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Coote was fast enough chasing Walsh bombs in 2010, but he doesn't seem to have the speed in regular play. Like him but he's finished at fullback, hopefully.
 

franklin2323

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My biggest concern is the halfback position.
Walsh IMO is not first grade standard, and there doesn't seam to be a capable replacement. Whether management are chasing a halfback for 2014, I don't know.
Yes I like Moylan too.
I would play Blake Austin at five eight and Coote back to fullback.

Just my opinion.

The annoying thing is we know how good Walsh can play. Sadly it's 3 games a year. From all reports Coote was good against PNG. So I would say his fullback days are over maybe him in the 7 but not in the 1.
 

age.s

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We really need to get lucky with Grant's fitness. Our pack is miles better when he's playing. If he does go down I'd like to think McKendry would do a better job of stepping up as the pack leader this year.
 

Big Mick

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McKendry was very disappointing this year.

His two best games were against the Roosters early in the year and then when he played in the Test Match.

Other than that he didn't have the punch I would have expected from a guy of his talent.

I really hope he steps up next year as if we have him and Grant firing our pack is just so much better overall.
 

Kilkenny

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Talkin Sport on 2SM talkin up the Jennings to the Eels. Only sticking point is the amount Panthers are prepared to top up allegedly.
 

Kilkenny

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In relaton to Matt Moylan he doesn't strike me as being any quicker than Coote either over 40 metres or a longer distance and I watched a fair bit of the Wolves this year. Similar small build as well.
 

Kilkenny

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Well it wouldn't do much to get fans onside after Lewis & Gordon leaving.

Absolutely, but it would be short term pain long term gain. Simply cannot afford Jennings on our books for 600K and more for the next couple of seasons. He simply doesn't offer value more money so for the better long term good I can live with him moving on. The same goes for Sam McKendry. We are paying way overs and he needs to be moved on as well if the opportunity presents.
 

franklin2323

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There's no one good enough to replace him for 2013. If we manage to get Thurston for 2014 then sort out a release. Look at Linnet outside Thurston. Tighe would look just as good.

Our spine is too weak not too have him for 2013. He was so much better with Robinson inside him. I imagine he will be even better with Manu inside him.
 

age.s

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Talkin Sport on 2SM talkin up the Jennings to the Eels. Only sticking point is the amount Panthers are prepared to top up allegedly.

The only Sydney club Jennings hasn't been linked to at this point is Penrith. One week it's the Tigers, next week it's the Dragons now the Eels.
 

Big Mick

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I wouldn't care less to lose Michael Jennings if it meant getting $550k off our books over the next two years to contribute to Thurston's contract.

My biggest concern would be losing his brothers.
 

Doomednow

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Friend of mine works with some bloke connected to the club, someone's son I think. Months ago he was saying we were sort of looking to offload Jennings before we signed anyone else. That was before we signed Stagg, though, so maybe there's been a change in strategy.

I hope we keep Jennings - he is really good, just under utilised. I doubt anyone else will pay him what we allegedly are, so we should be able to lower his wage next deal without him leaving. I'm still having trouble believing we were paying him so much to begin with. Our books were seriously messed up.
 

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