2017 NRL Club Membership

[taipan]

Point is no code has the sht scheduling of NRL, and our game attendances and membership levels are testament to it. How anyone can argue that playing 20+ games on a thursday night and 20+ games at 6pm on Friday (or 20+ games on a Monday night like last few years) is ok as other codes play the occasional game mid week is beyond me, or is it just argue with Raiderdave time?

Yet our membership levels increase year upon year.Bad example APU.

 

[Valheru]

ps went to my first BBL game at the WACA on NY day, now that is how to fill a stadium with an entertaining sports event! over 20k and huge family attendance. Who'd have thought cricket of all sports could be made so much fun? NRL clubs need to visit their local BBL club to see how its done. (and the timing wasn't exactly young family friendly with the game running 6:30pm-10:30pm but didn't stop thousands of little kids getting painted up, sticking a kfc bucket on their heads and staying mostly to near the end)

The BBL has done well to create a fan and family friendly product but it is a bit rough to compare your recent experience with a NRL game.

A warm New Years day in the middle of the festive season when everyone is relaxed and most are on holidays for 1 of 4 yearly home fixtures is a far cry from the conditions of NRL regular season games.

So, as i said know all, it's new, two years is new in regards recent history, maybe get the other know all, the school teacher to let you know what is ancient history, or tradition, over something two years old.


Arrogant know nothing.

Right, so now that you have been proven wrong the goal posts move to an issue of the definition of recent history. Just let us know which timescale suits your argument and we will go with that.

Human lifespan?
Geological timescale?
Cosmological timescale?

 

[Raiderdave]

A warm New Years day in the middle of the festive season when everyone is relaxed and most are on holidays for 1 of 4 yearly home fixtures is a far cry from the conditions of NRL regular season games.

far cry ??
oh
but quite ok to compare other far crys when it suits you eh
like the NRL & the NBL
or the NRL & some BS 2nd tier soccer comp

lol
the hypocrisy

 

[Timmah]

There is no opt-out option as of 2016 as explained to me by Wests Tigers membership when I enquired about it. It's part of the NRL membership fabric.

It's not a bad thing, it's proof of your support. Why would you take issue with this?

While you might like it to be, "the NRL membership fabric" is not a thing. Each club uses a chosen portal and I know, for example, Canterbury don't enforce auto renewal.

And I took issue with it because you made it appear as a negative lol.

Ive been a member for over 10 years. I will renew when I want to, auto renew is pushy IMO.

If it's enforced without opt out, sure. But I'm not sure it's legal for that method to be a thing.

So, as i said know all, it's new, two years is new in regards recent history, maybe get the other know all, the school teacher to let you know what is ancient history, or tradition, over something two years old.


Arrogant know nothing.

You need to make up your mind, am I a know all or a know nothing?

I said for the second time now it could have changed since the last contract, it has.

New contract imba, worked it out yet or are you going to say now that Friday nights are also the swans night now because they played two games on that night in the last ten years. Or maybe Thursday is gws night seeing as they want a game at that time this season? You can say in two years they have been playing at that time for ages aye, just like now with other mid week games held once in a while


Also cleary it is you that should head back to bf, you're the afl troll. Take timtam the mouth with you, he'd fitin well in the boggers with that arrogance and mouth. Maybe invite him to a class at school so you both can tell the kids how to lie and twist facts to suit an agenda.

Edit ,oh and Tim tam, don't bother replying with the arrogant two or three word response, stivk your lying know all know nothing opinion up ya arse. Maybe suck up here a bit more, a guy like you could always do with some power at a forum like this, can't have anyone disagreeing huh.

Lol.

I'll give you more than one line. With some basic research I was able to find:

- the last AFL rights contract was signed in 2011 and was for the period 2012-2016.

- Over that period the AFL slowly introduced Thursday night football, to the point where it featured six times last year.

- The new deal will see the fixture for next season feature Thursday games 8 times in 2017. Nine if they decide to play a Week 1 Final on Thursday like they did in 2016.

That's not a pro- or anti- AFL fact, it's just a fact.

For your reference (seeing as you just glazed over upon seeing the word AFL and went for the jugular), the whole discussion this has stemmed from is that our draw is worse than the AFL's. Do you truly believe that? They have 9 games a round, their crowds have slid in the last five years. They averaged 35-37k in the last part of the previous decade but have been hovering around 32k for the last few years.

In comparison, we've (NRL) not slid anywhere near as much - maintaining our average crowd in the range of 15,074 and 16,468 in the same period. I'd actually argue that the AFL's expansion and scheduling has had a demonstrably worse effect than any decision the NRL's made in the last five-ten years.

We've got a ways to go with growing our crowds but we haven't kicked them into reverse, and I don't think the rants about scheduling from some in here are the reason for the stagnant figures. If anything the NRL needs to be more active about its marketing. Membership growth isn't the issue - attendance is.

 

[Valheru]

far cry ??
oh
but quite ok to compare other far crys when it suits you eh
like the NRL & the NBL
or the NRL & some BS 2nd tier soccer comp

lol
the hypocrisy

PR is comparing the fan experience between two sports on game day and suggesting the NRL should replicate the BBL, which is a near impossibility given what I originally said.

You made a statement that no other sport plays mid week games, not "no other sport which I deem to be a fair comparison because it suits my argument plays mid week games"

You are wrong, deal with it.

 

[Raiderdave]

PR is comparing the fan experience between two sports on game day and suggesting the NRL should replicate the BBL, which is a near impossibility given what I originally said.

You made a statement that no other sport plays mid week games, not "no other sport which I deem to be a fair comparison because it suits my argument plays mid week games"

You are wrong, deal with it.

still a ..... far cry... wether youre right or wrong
its apparently fine to bring up the .. time of year ... the BBL is played in defence of your point
but not when i say the same demonstrating the A league comparison & when they play most of their mid week games & state its a ... far cry lol

our schedule is shit
thats my point , it appears some other posters knew exactly what i was talking about too & comical comparisons & hypocritical arguments aside
Im right .

 

[Timmah]

You're trying to pretend we have a uniquely shit schedule which is solely responsible for crowds being garbage (incidentally not the topic of this thread), when there are plenty of factors at play - and our schedule really isn't that unique.

I'm still interested as to whether you're keen to ban Thursday late night shopping. Clearly that's keeping kids up too late as well.

 

[Perth Red]

Yet our membership levels increase year upon year.Bad example APU.

but we don't know if they are ticketed or not do we? I would suggest given the static nature of attendances, not. Given we are talking about people attending games and full memberships growing accordingly, using overall membership growth to suggest our sht game schedule isn't significantly impacting an attendance culture is a stretch.

 

[Perth Red]

You're trying to pretend we have a uniquely shit schedule which is solely responsible for crowds being garbage (incidentally not the topic of this thread), when there are plenty of factors at play - and our schedule really isn't that unique.

I'm still interested as to whether you're keen to ban Thursday late night shopping. Clearly that's keeping kids up too late as well.

Our schedule is unique, show me another major code that has as many midweek and 6pm kick offs as ours will have this season. Or last year two mid week games for majority of rounds.

 

[Timmah]

but we don't know if they are ticketed or not do we? I would suggest given the static nature of attendances, not. Given we are talking about people attending games and full memberships growing accordingly, using overall membership growth to suggest our sht game schedule isn't significantly impacting an attendance culture is a stretch.

This simpletons way of looking at things fails to account for ebbs and flows with certain clubs. Dragons are a prime example - they've gone backwards in member numbers since their heyday a few years ago - despite the overwhelming growth. Other teams have simply picked up the slack.

Our schedule is unique, show me another major code that has as many midweek and 6pm kick offs as ours will have this season. Or last year two mid week games for majority of rounds.

Last year was it's own kettle of fish, never to be repeated.

I'm not going to argue the semantics of what consitutes midweek or not anymore, that argument has been done to death. If you can't plainly see most major codes are gearing toward Thursday nights you're being a fool for the sake of it.

 

[taipan]

but we don't know if they are ticketed or not do we? I would suggest given the static nature of attendances, not. Given we are talking about people attending games and full memberships growing accordingly, using overall membership growth to suggest our sht game schedule isn't significantly impacting an attendance culture is a stretch.

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.
It's not a stretch its a fact of life.Crowds may be struggling ,but membership is growing.
Funny AFL brag about memberships, and you don't have problem with that, then again you suck up to that code often enough ,it's to be expected.

The point is whether they are ticketed or not, they represent an increase year upon year ,and that means money.If you think that is a problem so be it.For example ticket membership in the Shark's stands have been sold out for 2017.

More people who are prepared to foot money whether it be for a season ticket,a few games or a non seat ticket, it's all coin to help the club's bottom line. In fact that adds to merchandise sales.

If the numbers were going backwards you would still bitch ,as is your want in true Pommy style.

Full memberships also bear a relationship to the type of seating available.Covered.close to the action.
Rest assured when the Eels new stadium is in action, their memberships will jump accordingly.

If you have more memberships ,you generally have more people involved.The Sharks had 70,000 approx rusted on plus bandwaggoners on G/F day.They come from all over the place, naturally many can rarely ,if ever get to normal games.It appears more of those are making commitments to the club via memberships.But you can't see it sheesh.

One more time for the dummies ,we all accept the scheduling is a bitch.The code has been paid (no thanks to the stuff up with original Tv negotiations) accordingly.Meaning clubs will get their salary cap covered plus 20+%,plus a 65% P.A. increase in grassroots.
Monday nights has gone, a later Thursday night takes its place.Friday 6pm start of weekend.Will affect some people.for other particularly children living in the area, ideal.

From 2018 the NRL will control scheduling.Meaning they will then have a better opportunity, to maximise crowds.
When the Eels play in Darwin,or Penrith play in Bathurst ,playing in regional areas also affected crowd numbers.And Perth didn't help with their crowd attendance either last year.

 

[Perth Red]

I never said more members was a bad thing, never said more money from memberships was a bad thing. But if you think sht game scheduling doesn't impact on take up of full memberships then you would be wrong.

There are plenty of reasons why NRL games don't draw big crowds consistently, game KO times being a key one. IMO.

as for Perth dragging the crowd avg down, lol from a Cronulla fan. Premiership winning year and your crowd avg still couldn't break the total avg. amount.

 

[Timmah]

Clutching at some pretty weak straws there, PR.

 

[Perth Red]

Do you think we have the worse game time schedule, in regards to ease of fans attending, of any major sport in Oz Timmah? If not who would you consider worse than ours over last couple of years and moving forward into this season?

 

[Timmah]

What I'm saying is that it's not a black and white world. You can argue who's got the worst schedule, who's got the worst marketing, who's got the worst merchandise, worst stadia... what exactly will those arguments achieve (and how do you even statistically decide that? Scheduling's suitability to attendance is subject to each individual person!)?

If it's not plain to you that the major football codes are all heading in the same direction with scheduling - i.e. increasing TV-friendly timeslots like Thursday nights, then you're not paying attention. Trying to suggest one is somehow worse than the other on sheer numbers is not the full discussion - and I'm sure you know that.

 

[Perth Red]

nice avoidance lol

of course TV and the HQ want Tv friendly games, its easy money in the bank for them. But the impact on clubs memberships and gate takings and fans wanting to attend is sht. AFL clubs and fans have been kicking up a stink trying to stop the rot and to some degree have succeeded with the AFL agreeing to ltd Thursday nights for the next 7 years.

In the mean time we had some genius agree to a Monday AND a Thursday, and then a Thursday AND 6pm Friday. I don't believe for a minute you genuinely think playing games on the times as opposed to a Fri evening-Sun doesn't have a significant impact on attendance and subsequently full ticket memberships.

Aside from the negative impact of expansion the other negative impact of AFl crowds has been the introduction of some Thursday fixtures which are drawing significantly lower than other timeslots.

Anyone got the NRl stats on Monday/Thursday attendances compared to the fri-Sun time slots last year? Id bet they are quite a difference.

 

[Timmah]

Where is your evidence of the "impact on clubs memberships"?

Almost all clubs are recording increases in membership figures year on year.

 

[Timmah]

Aside from the negative impact of expansion the other negative impact of AFl crowds has been the introduction of some Thursday fixtures which are drawing significantly lower than other timeslots.

Jesus Christ you just openly admitted what we've been saying for the last four pages.

 

[taipan]

I never said more members was a bad thing, never said more money from memberships was a bad thing. But if you think sht game scheduling doesn't impact on take up of full memberships then you would be wrong.

There are plenty of reasons why NRL games don't draw big crowds consistently, game KO times being a key one. IMO.

as for Perth dragging the crowd avg down, lol from a Cronulla fan. Premiership winning year and your crowd avg still couldn't break the total avg. amount.

Again in true PR fashion, putting words in my mouth.I've stated repeatedly the scheduling is crap,but them's the cards we are dealt with.
It doesn't sink into your great matter, despite the crap scheduling, more people are taking up memberships,regardless of what type.Meaning more interest either via attendance or financial commitment long distance.
You stated on 3rd January @3.08pm" Our game attendances and memberships are testament to it." Inferring a bleeding negative as far as memberships are concerned due to scheduling.When in fact they memberships are growing. If you had just left it at crowds OK.

Well PR ,I doubt Perth would get over 4,000 people when a Cat 2 cyclone (which was warned in advance) in 2015 would attend at NIB stadium.You of course would be more interested in watching drag racing on TV.

BTW just to fill you in with facts .
Home crowds for Sharks in 2016 averaged 14,578
Canberra 12,183
Dogs 15,202.
Souths 14,331
Titans 13,806
Manly 14,431
Warriors 14,302
Newcastle 14,457
Penrith 12,818
Parra 13,929

Dragging home averages down,I don't think so.Considering some at ordinary time slots.Perth on the other hand ,desperate for a club?

 

[Perth Red]

Premiers and still can't get above the nrl average lol.

If you don't think crap ko times equals lower crowds equals less ticketed members there's nothing I can say to help you understand.