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2018 Jerseys/Logos/Sponsorships

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GAZF

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Raiders women in League jersey.

https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2018/04/19/raiders-to-recognise-women-in-league-on-saturday/

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It has the words include, engage, and respect printed on it as well as the Valkyrie logo on the back of the collar, apparently that makes it a "women's" jersey...

I'm not normally one to bag out jerseys, or to get worked up about such things generally, but this is the worst jersey I've seen in a long while.
If the gradient was green I could accept it, but as it is it just looks shit and has not context in relation to the club or it's cause whats so ever.
They could have just worn the Valkyries jersey that got released a couple of months back, might have raised awareness for women's league in the ACT.

Edit: Just saw that they're wearing it this week against Souths. Why promote the Valkyries' brand at a game in Gosford instead of at home?
 

Timmah

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I'm gonna guess the club was asked to have a more obvious alternate strip to play against South Sydney in (Souths at home in their black-piped kit v the gunmetal Raiders away strip = nope), and they've decided it can double as a WiL kit.

I actually think it's important that any WiL kit is closer to team colours (that gunmetal colour that gradients from the bottom seems to the Raiders official 'second colour' lately) rather than defaulting to the pink-purple pre-conceived ideas of WiL jerseys.
 

Stallion

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Apparently some people in here.

Really don't get this thread. Yes it's here for discussion and debate over designs and all...but if half the people in this thread had their way most teams would have the same design for their home jersey every year and only have an away if needed which would also have the same design every year. Sounds like the AFL to me. And while i am all for tradition and heritage i can tell you now that while both codes sell heaps of merch...AFL teams keeping the same design year in, year out doesn't relate to $$$ in the till.

I will say the same thing I say every year. Buy what you want and leave the rest. You might like the home jersey and another fan of your club might like an event jersey. Everyone has different tastes and this is what this is all aimed at. Selling merch and making money for the parties involved. Including your club!

It's more than selling a jumper! It's the general recognition and association and visibility of a club. A clubs look is important and to many people's eye needs to be consistent. It adds to a more universal familiarity and knowledge of whom is playing and what that club looks like. For some this does not make sense. Just keep on confusing potential new fans and the elderly? Great idea!
 

The Great Dane

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They could have just worn the Valkyries jersey that got released a couple of months back, might have raised awareness for women's league in the ACT.

Edit: Just saw that they're wearing it this week against Souths. Why promote the Valkyries' brand at a game in Gosford instead of at home?

There is no independent Valkyries jersey yet, the TGC jersey is exactly the same as all the other developmental teams jerseys (Harold Matthews and SG Ball), the Valkyrie logo was just rushed out for the start of the season for some reason and as such was slapped onto the back of the collar of all the dev teams jerseys.
And they aren't really promoting the Valkyrie brand, it's a women in league jersey, they're just chucking the Valkyrie in there cause it's the new women's brand and this is a women in league jersey.

This is a bit of an aside, but frankly why we ever needed a specific round to recognise women's contributions to the sport I don't know (seems completely political in nature and designed to appeal to a certain ideological subset of the population to me), but why we need one now that their is a women's NRL in the works and in the Raiders case they literally have a separate brand specifically designed to represent women and future women's teams makes even less sense.
 

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There is no independent Valkyries jersey yet, the TGC jersey is exactly the same as all the other developmental teams jerseys (Harold Matthews and SG Ball), the Valkyrie logo was just rushed out for the start of the season for some reason and as such was slapped onto the back of the collar of all the dev teams jerseys.
And they aren't really promoting the Valkyrie brand, it's a women in league jersey, they're just chucking the Valkyrie in there cause it's the new women's brand and this is a women in league jersey.

This is a bit of an aside, but frankly why we ever needed a specific round to recognise women's contributions to the sport I don't know (seems completely political in nature and designed to appeal to a certain ideological subset of the population to me), but why we need one now that their is a women's NRL in the works and in the Raiders case they literally have a separate brand specifically designed to represent women and future women's teams makes even less sense.
Yeah. Fancy the sillyness of recognising the mums, sisters, grandmothers and wives that support players at all levels of the game.

I'm completely in favour of the concept, the game is nothing without support from the most important people in everyones life, roughly half of whom are women.
 

The Great Dane

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Yeah. Fancy the sillyness of recognising the mums, sisters, grandmothers and wives that support players at all levels of the game.

I'm completely in favour of the concept, the game is nothing without support from the most important people in everyones life, roughly half of whom are women.

We do recognise them, we recognise them everyday in our lives, further more when we celebrate the game we are celebrating and recognising them as well as they are part of the game... Aside from that in the Raiders case they literally have a whole new brand specifically to recognise women at the Raiders and future women's teams that the Raiders run!

Since it's necessary to specifically "recognise" (glorify is a better term in my humble opinion, but we'll use your terminology for now) women in the game in a singular way and as a separate but connected entity to the rest of the people in the game does that mean that we have to treat every colloquially defined group as separate but connected entities within the game as opposed to just a part of the game and there by must recognise their participation and their "support of the players at all levels of the game"?
If no then why is women's input into the game more valuable and/or more deserving to be recognised then for example men's input, LGBT input, or any other "groups" input, and by specifically recognising women's input into the sport but not other groups aren't we by it's very nature excluding those other groups from the sport, or at the very least ranking their participation as either less important or less valuable then women's input if we don't have a specific round to recognise them?

Further more at what point does the compartmentalisation of groups within the sport stop? Do subgroups of the groups need to be specifically recognised less we exclude them, in other words and for example do we need an Aboriginal women in league round or a Caucasian women in league round as well as the women in league round, or to compartmentalise even more an Irish heritage women in league round or a Eroa heritage women in league round, less we exclude/fail to sufficiently recognise their roles in the sport?

I could go on but honestly I can't be bothered, so I'll finish by saying that I think you've failed to sufficiently think your position through and in the name of inclusiveness have manged only to divide groups, as now once accepted members of the sport have to be treated as separate but connected entities and need to to be treated differently to be appropriately "recognised" where as in the past it was just a given that when we celebrated the sport we were celebrating the women in the sport as well, as they were just an accepted cog in the sports machine so to speak.
I also find it increasingly disheartening and frankly quite upsetting that in my life time we as a culture in the west have gone from Martin Luther King Jr. dreaming about nations where his kids would be judged by the content of their character instead of the colour of their skin (or what does or does not hang between their legs) to people using and twisting his and others names' and movements, etc, to further divide people and as a tool to continue to judge people by the colour of their skin, what does or does not hang between their legs, etc, as opposed to by the content of their character...
 

BTown324

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Too many event jerseys that clubs aren't enforced to stick to. If the NRL were a millionth more professional than they are, they'd enforce the clubs to support these events (indigenous, heritage, WIL etc) and the clubs can decide whether that's through jerseys or other efforts but outside of these set event rounds the clubs must be formally apply to the NRL to wear them for whatever reason (clash,
Stolen at the airport etc)

They could have a rotation system each year if they wanted to cut back the event rounds.
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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We do recognise them, we recognise them everyday in our lives, further more when we celebrate the game we are celebrating and recognising them as well as they are part of the game... Aside from that in the Raiders case they literally have a whole new brand specifically to recognise women at the Raiders and future women's teams that the Raiders run!

Since it's necessary to specifically "recognise" (glorify is a better term in my humble opinion, but we'll use your terminology for now) women in the game in a singular way and as a separate but connected entity to the rest of the people in the game does that mean that we have to treat every colloquially defined group as separate but connected entities within the game as opposed to just a part of the game and there by must recognise their participation and their "support of the players at all levels of the game"?
If no then why is women's input into the game more valuable and/or more deserving to be recognised then for example men's input, LGBT input, or any other "groups" input, and by specifically recognising women's input into the sport but not other groups aren't we by it's very nature excluding those other groups from the sport, or at the very least ranking their participation as either less important or less valuable then women's input if we don't have a specific round to recognise them?

Further more at what point does the compartmentalisation of groups within the sport stop? Do subgroups of the groups need to be specifically recognised less we exclude them, in other words and for example do we need an Aboriginal women in league round or a Caucasian women in league round as well as the women in league round, or to compartmentalise even more an Irish heritage women in league round or a Eroa heritage women in league round, less we exclude/fail to sufficiently recognise their roles in the sport?

I could go on but honestly I can't be bothered, so I'll finish by saying that I think you've failed to sufficiently think your position through and in the name of inclusiveness have manged only to divide groups, as now once accepted members of the sport have to be treated as separate but connected entities and need to to be treated differently to be appropriately "recognised" where as in the past it was just a given that when we celebrated the sport we were celebrating the women in the sport as well, as they were just an accepted cog in the sports machine so to speak.
I also find it increasingly disheartening and frankly quite upsetting that in my life time we as a culture in the west have gone from Martin Luther King Jr. dreaming about nations where his kids would be judged by the content of their character instead of the colour of their skin (or what does or does not hang between their legs) to people using and twisting his and others names' and movements, etc, to further divide people and as a tool to continue to judge people by the colour of their skin, what does or does not hang between their legs, etc, as opposed to by the content of their character...
Ah, the old 'if you disagree with me then you haven't thought about it like I really have" argument.

Gotcha. Now excuse me while I finish my proposal for 'Nigerian prince fly fishing round'.
 

kdalymc

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Could the bulldogs jersey just have the top white section filled in? Is that why it looks so bodgy? Cos I don’t think bulldogs have never actually been 2 vees, but more so one solid one on top?
@gzerounian onto it mate
 
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Pommy

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The NRL has too many event rounds that not all clubs participate in. Its made worse by clubs wearing their event jersey outside the specified event round.

I can agree with this I would like it if the NRL had the rounds set out and made teams wear the shorts that round home or away. It couldn’t be that hard to arrange the round to ensure it alternated year to year.
 

The Great Dane

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Ah, the old 'if you disagree with me then you haven't thought about it like I really have" argument.

Gotcha. Now excuse me while I finish my proposal for 'Nigerian prince fly fishing round'.

Ah, the old 'instead of engaging them I'll just completely ignore your actual arguments and make out as if they are laughable despite failing to actually engage them' argument, and an offhanded straw man chucked in for good measure...

You really have conviction in your positions don't you...
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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Ah, the old 'instead of engaging them I'll just completely ignore your actual arguments and make out as if they are laughable despite failing to actually engage them' argument, and an offhanded straw man chucked in for good measure...

You really have conviction in your positions don't you...
You seem particularly offended that I don't share yours. You'll live.
 

Zerô

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Raiders women in League jersey.

https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2018/04/19/raiders-to-recognise-women-in-league-on-saturday/

wil-jersey-image.jpg


It has the words include, engage, and respect printed on it as well as the Valkyrie logo on the back of the collar, apparently that makes it a "women's" jersey...

I'm not normally one to bag out jerseys, or to get worked up about such things generally, but this is the worst jersey I've seen in a long while.
If the gradient was green I could accept it, but as it is it just looks shit and has not context in relation to the club or it's cause whats so ever.

A WiL jersey that isn't a shade of pink or purple. It's already a winner in my eyes
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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Not offended, confused as to why you'd bother to engage in discussion at all if you had no interest in actually discussing... Why bother responding at all if you don't really want to talk about whats being said!
If by'engaging in discussion' you mean 'agree with me of I'll get angry', sorry to leave you dissatisfied.
 
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I'm gonna guess the club was asked to have a more obvious alternate strip to play against South Sydney in (Souths at home in their black-piped kit v the gunmetal Raiders away strip = nope), and they've decided it can double as a WiL kit.

I actually think it's important that any WiL kit is closer to team colours (that gunmetal colour that gradients from the bottom seems to the Raiders official 'second colour' lately) rather than defaulting to the pink-purple pre-conceived ideas of WiL jerseys.

That all makes sense but Canberra's lime green doesn't actually clash with Souffs at all, nothing clashes with lime green! I could understand it if the Raiders were wearing the bottle green of the Ozemail days however they're back in the lime so the real need for an alternate jersey at all.
 

Timmah

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That all makes sense but Canberra's lime green doesn't actually clash with Souffs at all, nothing clashes with lime green! I could understand it if the Raiders were wearing the bottle green of the Ozemail days however they're back in the lime so the real need for an alternate jersey at all.
It's not up to you or me, the NRL said they didn't want Canberra's main or away strip used on Saturday so the Raiders have pulled this out - it says so in the media release.

I'm fine with it, I'd rather proper contrast which I don't think either Canberra jersey offers to the Rabbitohs'.
 

GAZF

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It's not up to you or me, the NRL said they didn't want Canberra's main or away strip used on Saturday so the Raiders have pulled this out - it says so in the media release.

I'm fine with it, I'd rather proper contrast which I don't think either Canberra jersey offers to the Rabbitohs'.
Canberra has bothered to use two clearly contrasting designs in 2017-18 (lime and navy - different hues and luminosities). Souths goes with two red and green hooped designs, and a third design that is red (different hue, similar luminosity, notoriously difficult to distinguish if you have the most common forms of colour blindness).

One team bothers to provide adequate contrast in two jerseys, the other can't even do it in three.

f**k Souths.
 
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