2018 NRL TV Ratings

[twesty]

No, AFL is on the wane and dropping viewing numbers are just the first sign.

TV ratings are lower, correct, However, they've just recorded record attendance and membership numbers this year. This doesn't really suggest they are waning

 

[Perth Red]

Still whining, suck on another lemon.
If we ran at a loss this year I'd be the first to bag the NRL, particularly Grant's generous NRL club top up.
And Greenberg on half what Smith earned, two clubs sold off, some repayments made by clubs with Loans.It all helps.

Think there is a lot more control over expenditure such as Smith type wastage and benefits from digital, other revenue apart from TV, plus an increase in grants to clubs, and an increase in monies to grassroots including women.Hence the chopping off 30 staff.

And not having to expand ATM.

Yet refs now want decent increase in match payments ,threatening industrial action.

Of course you appear to look at revenue, growth and treat expenditure as if it remained static.

Pay peanuts get monkeys, very apt for Greenberg’s salary situation

You said, and I quote:
‘It may have been 20 years ago, but it cleaned out the code's cash reserves, which has only just recovered in 2018 rot any extent.’

This simply isnt true, the nrl had cash reserves of $80mill in 2014. You slam Smith for putti g some away yet seem happy Greenberg will announce a surplus this year despite grassroots fu ding being cut $40mill to lay for grants promise to clubs. You seem ver conflicted about if the game should be saving or spending g everything.

 

[El Diablo]

TV ratings are lower, correct, However, they've just recorded record attendance and membership numbers this year. This doesn't really suggest they are waning

have you got a source for this claim?

 

[taipan]

Pay peanuts get monkeys, very apt for Greenberg’s salary situation

You said, and I quote:
‘It may have been 20 years ago, but it cleaned out the code's cash reserves, which has only just recovered in 2018 rot any extent.’

This simply isnt true, the nrl had cash reserves of $80mill in 2014. You slam Smith for putting some away yet seem happy Greenberg will announce a surplus this year despite grassroots fu ding being cut $40mill to lay for grants promise to clubs. You seem ver conflicted about if the game should be saving or spending g everything.

It didn't help paying overs for your guy.He loved to spend on unnecessary items and people.Maybe he's a chimp.

Responding to you is like responding to an answering machine .
I stated cleaned out cash reserves in 1995 FACT.
It has only just recovered now in 2018 ,which is FACT today.
I have acknowledged money was stashed away with Smith, and I have also stated he spent stuff all on grassroots ,womens rl, and other activities.That way he could put money away because he apparently did not spend it on essentials.
He didn't use that money to prop up Titans,Newcastle which the later admin did.Plus digital.The clubs certainly didn't get huge increases.Work out how much that would have cost the NRL with their debts.
I spent time and time ,spelling out what Smith didn't and did do.I'm not going to rehash it.

To put it bluntly he lost the plot.Your constant sucking up to him and your boot licking of the fumbling code is boring as batsh*t.

You're playing with words again, grassroots money is not being cut per se .It's the extra money that is going to grassroots that has been reduced ,due to Grant's overblown generosity to clubs.Imagine if there had been an extra club like Perth even less available.There is still extra going to grassroots, and I wish there was more

I'm happy because the results this year ,make you unhappy, because Greenberg is involved.
Conflicted ROFL, the only one I'm in conflict is a perennial troll.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

TV ratings are lower, correct, However, they've just recorded record attendance and membership numbers this year. This doesn't really suggest they are waning

Have you ever read the Lawson report .
Because afl house won't ever let another report like that released to the public .
In fact they hired Lawson straight after he let the cat out of the bag l
When you're on the Aflol payroll you follow the propaganda script given to you .

 

[twesty]

Have you ever read the Lawson report .
Because afl house won't ever let another report like that released to the public .
In fact they hired Lawson straight after he let the cat out of the bag l
When you're on the Aflol payroll you follow the propaganda script given to you .

all well and good, but the factors I mentioned are up. If there's evidence to the contrary someone should post it

 

[El Diablo]

all well and good, but the factors I mentioned are up. If there's evidence to the contrary someone should post it

have you got a source for this claim?

 

[Perth Red]

Where the AFL did better was in the finals series, there is no denying that fact.
Of course Cola has stopped, the Swans are self sufficient we are told.
Off course they are long term projects, they are hardly going to say we'll give them a go for X number of years and see how they go.

Fitzroy and South Melbourne at one stage were no doubt long term many years ago, before relocation.

I am offering an alternative view,if ratings,crowds and losses continue to grow over a long period,without improvement, do they still get preference over a 3rd WA team or a Tassie team?Or does the AFL continue on with throwing confetti at the ventures?That's the question.Now of course it's a firm commitment.

The Melbourne media find it difficult to mention the Storm let alone, so there is bugger all chance of them mentioning struggling rl teams in the bush.
Paranoia LOL.It's called valid criticism.The NRL continually gets it from media, fans and trolls and AFL fans in Sydney.If you work in the kitchen ,your bound to get some heat.

It may have been 20 years ago, but it cleaned out the code's cash reserves, which has only just recovered in 2018 rot any extent.Prior to 1995 rl was going gangbusters challenging AFL as the major sport.
Then regardless of the AFL/VFL position and didn't they own VFL Park,they got kissed on the a*se by a rainbow with SL, a Tv deal $780m over 5 years and the dopey NRL: negotiated a 6 years $500m deal.You go figure.When you have a media organisation owning half of you, you are not going to get teh best Tv deal, by negotiating with half of yourself.

It didn't help paying overs for your guy.He loved to spend on unnecessary items and people.Maybe he's a chimp.

Responding to you is like responding to an answering machine .
I stated cleaned out cash reserves in 1995 FACT.
It has only just recovered now in 2018 ,which is FACT today.
I have acknowledged money was stashed away with Smith, and I have also stated he spent stuff all on grassroots ,womens rl, and other activities.That way he could put money away because he apparently did not spend it on essentials.
He didn't use that money to prop up Titans,Newcastle which the later admin did.Plus digital.The clubs certainly didn't get huge increases.Work out how much that would have cost the NRL with their debts.
I spent time and time ,spelling out what Smith didn't and did do.I'm not going to rehash it.

To put it bluntly he lost the plot.Your constant sucking up to him and your boot licking of the fumbling code is boring as batsh*t.

You're playing with words again, grassroots money is not being cut per se .It's the extra money that is going to grassroots that has been reduced ,due to Grant's overblown generosity to clubs.Imagine if there had been an extra club like Perth even less available.There is still extra going to grassroots, and I wish there was more

I'm happy because the results this year ,make you unhappy, because Greenberg is involved.
Conflicted ROFL, the only one I'm in conflict is a perennial troll.

They announced they were going to spend $100mill on grassroots, then they wilted to the clubs and announced the spend would not be $100mill but would be $60mill.thats a $40milll reduction in grass roots spending thanoriginally planned which ever way you want to sugar coat it. Like I said you seemed confused, do you want the nrl to build up,a cash reserve or do you want the nrl to run cost neutral and spend all it’s revenue on things like grassroots? In 2014 you wanted thengame to spend all its money but in 2018 you want it to save a chink of it. Which is it?

And on wasting money - nrl admin expenditure
13&14 $36mill,
16&17 $41mill.
Which ceo is spending more than CPI increase on admin costs?

Spending on grass roots 2014 $46.3miill, hardly stuff all!

 

[King hit]

if it's simply a Victoria v Sydney thing why is AFL at similar popularity levels in Adelaide and Perth?

Why do Victorians have this massive obsession with Sydney and the whole country? it's so annoying and quite frankly pathetic. I've spent a lot of time in NSW/Sydney and nobody there remotely cares about Melbourne or anything in Victoria and barely talk about either of them but down there it is like a crusade about being better than the world.

 

[twesty]

Why do Victorians have this massive obsession with Sydney and the whole country? it's so annoying and quite frankly pathetic. I've spent a lot of time in NSW/Sydney and nobody there remotely cares about Melbourne or anything in Victoria and barely talk about either of them but down there it is like a crusade about being better than the world.

never said I do have an issue with Sydney. My comment was in response to someone claiming Victorians love AFL because it's their game and they want it to be more popular than NRL in Sydney. Hence I asked what about Perth and Adelaide

 

[twesty]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-02/thanks-a-million-new-membership-benchmark
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-25/afl-smashes-alltime-attendance-record

For El Dickbrain

 

[Fire]

Why do Victorians have this massive obsession with Sydney and the whole country? it's so annoying and quite frankly pathetic. I've spent a lot of time in NSW/Sydney and nobody there remotely cares about Melbourne or anything in Victoria and barely talk about either of them but down there it is like a crusade about being better than the world.

We live in their mind rent-free.

 

[El Diablo]

never said I do have an issue with Sydney. My comment was in response to someone claiming Victorians love AFL because it's their game and they want it to be more popular than NRL in Sydney. Hence I asked what about Perth and Adelaide

have you got a source for this claim?

 

[taipan]

They announced they were going to spend $100mill on grassroots, then they wilted to the clubs and announced the spend would not be $100mill but would be $60mill.thats a $40milll reduction in grass roots spending thanoriginally planned which ever way you want to sugar coat it. Like I said you seemed confused, do you want the nrl to build up,a cash reserve or do you want the nrl to run cost neutral and spend all it’s revenue on things like grassroots? In 2014 you wanted thengame to spend all its money but in 2018 you want it to save a chink of it. Which is it?

And on wasting money - nrl admin expenditure
13&14 $36mill,
16&17 $41mill.
Which ceo is spending more than CPI increase on admin costs?

Spending on grass roots 2014 $46.3miill, hardly stuff all!

Confused LOL.I know a fumbler/Smith loving troll when I read one's comments.
Not wasting any more time responding to your whining.
You deflect from points anyway.
Spending on grassroots hardly stuff all LOL, when you have put large sums aside and the bush struggling, with Sydney numbers struggling.Smoke another one.

You're so confused you are prepared to let Sydney clubs wither and grassroots ditto and think this is helping the code, which you appear to have little time for.
Do you want to whiteant the Sydney heartland? Do you care about the bush and regionals? Are you still in love with Smith? Do you still lick the boots of the AFL?
Your'e either confused or a sham.

 

[Perth Red]

Confused LOL.I know a fumbler/Smith loving troll when I read one's comments.
Not wasting any more time responding to your whining.
You deflect from points anyway.
Spending on grassroots hardly stuff all LOL, when you have put large sums aside and the bush struggling, with Sydney numbers struggling.Smoke another one.

You're so confused you are prepared to let Sydney clubs wither and grassroots ditto and think this is helping the code, which you appear to have little time for.
Do you want to whiteant the Sydney heartland? Do you care about the bush and regionals? Are you still in love with Smith? Do you still lick the boots of the AFL?
Your'e either confused or a sham.

You continually fail to answer the very simple question that seems to have you in a muddle. Should the nrl reinstigate Smiths plan and put away surplus into a cash reserve or should it invest it all annually in worthwhile areas and not save surpluses? In 2014 you thought it was a bad idea, this year you seem to be saying it’s a good one?

 

[RL The greatest game]

have you got a source for this claim?

Only someone's brother i know who is a junior AFL coach in Victoria or what ever name they are called. I would sooner believe something coming for him than the BS that comes out of Vicky Kicky house as we all know by the number of times they have been caught out with claims of their junior playing numbers

 

[taipan]

You continually fail to answer the very simple question that seems to have you in a muddle. Should the nrl reinstigate Smiths plan and put away surplus into a cash reserve or should it invest it all annually in worthwhile areas and not save surpluses? In 2014 you thought it was a bad idea, this year you seem to be saying it’s a good one?

That's not a question, that's you sucking up to Smith in one of your predictable rants..
I've spelt out on previous threads what should in fact happen.And getting rid of Sydney teams is not one of them.

 

[Perth Red]

That's not a question, that's you sucking up to Smith in one of your predictable rants..
I've spelt out on previous threads what should in fact happen.And getting rid of Sydney teams is not one of them.

Haha you dodge questions better than a politician. Of course its a question and a pretty simple one. Do you think Greenberg should A) use this years surplus to spend more on grassroots and fill the gap created by the Grant club money decision or B) do you think he should put it in a cash reserve fund for as an asset for the game?
It is a very simple A or B answer!

re my love of Smith , he was by no means perfect but he was our best and probably last hope of seeing the game transformed into a modern business that didn't cave to individual interest groups at every turn.

 

[taipan]

Haha you dodge questions better than a politician. Of course its a question and a pretty simple one. Do you think Greenberg should A) use this years surplus to spend more on grassroots and fill the gap created by the Grant club money decision or B) do you think he should put it in a cash reserve fund for as an asset for the game?
It is a very simple A or B answer!

re my love of Smith , he was by no means perfect but he was our best and probably last hope of seeing the game transformed into a modern business that didn't cave to individual interest groups at every turn.

I repeat on more time for the dummy ,read my earlier posts as to what I believe should be done IMO.I'm not going to hold your hand,I'll leave that to the AFL .

Simply more money on grassroots, assistance to the likes of Fiji for their entry to the NSW cup ,retention of all Sydney clubs, Academy for women's rl in the major cities, money on a 2 for 1 basis to clubs to improve infrastructure on an annual basis, more D/Os for schools, and money set aside in a future fund even if that means $20m pa not $50m at the end of each year.The game is not going to grow if your ignore its base, which union is finding out to its cost.Then decide on expansion at the time of the next Tv deal.

ROFL " Dodging questions".You ignore the majority of mine, and continue to deflect.You not only make the pot look black but the whole bleeding kitchen including the kettle.

Greenberg's tenure earning half what Smith earned and no expense on a posse of consultants, made $45-50m profit.Even with Grant wasting extra on clubs and Greenberg's faults, and spending more on grassroots.
Now please go and chase shadows.

 

[Perth Red]

haha typical pollie, spend more on everything but save some as well. How much surplus each year do you think the NRL is going to have? So what would your target for a cash asset reserve be (not a future fund which as a very different thing and is money put away with an expectation of expending it over the coming duration). It seems you didn't like Smith's $80mill target so what by the end of this latest cash windfall for the game do you think the NRL should have in the bank by 2022?

and we dont know what this years surplus is yet, note surplus, not profit, (and likely less than Smiths surpluses in 13&14 despite much greater revenue) they are very different things in a business like the NRL's. Maybe they should have been spending that surplus on grass roots and expanding the NRLW or the multitude of other bottomless pits the NRL could spend its money on? Again you seem confused about if a surplus is a good thing or should be neutral bottom line as the game is investing all its money in its core activities.