2019 Discussion

[franklin2323]

Premierships are won on defence, he's won 2, and been to another grand final. Hes not the best defender, but having a good edge partner will go a long way to rectifying his shortcomings. It's the same as any other typically bad half. Thurston has had Cooper for the last few years to fix his issues, no reason Yeo can't do the same.

Lockyer was an ordinary defender he had a good backrower to help. Sharks don't win the comp if Wade Graham doesn't protect Maloney in defence. Most times he is giving up 20kgs to a player he should never have to defend one on one

The issue wasn't so much his defence but putting him with a very very raw edge backrower. Switching him sides and he doesn't look so bad

 

[franklin2323]

Would you say that he lets in a few soft tries every game and is the worst defender in the sport of rugby league??

Of course you wouldn’t.

It’s the over exaggeration that’s quite boring.

He does give tries away most weeks. How many other players have missed 100 tackles every year? He would be very close to it

 

[Kilkenny]

Hopefully being 100% fit & injury free will boost his confidence in his body and should improve his defence.

The stats for tackles/missed tackles can on occasion be be misleading. There were games last season where Jimmy had 6-8 missed tackles recorded against him when there was probably only 2-3 what you would call genuine missed tackles.

It never ceases to amaze me why we seem to devote 90% of our energy on here talking down on our team, certain individuals, Gus, Ivan, our cap, management, pretty much everything about the club really. I just don’t get it.

 

[betcats]

Hopefully being 100% fit & injury free will boost his confidence in his body and should improve his defence.

The stats for tackles/missed tackles can on occasion be be misleading. There were games last season where Jimmy had 6-8 missed tackles recorded against him when there was probably only 2-3 what you would call genuine missed tackles.

It never ceases to amaze me why we seem to devote 90% of our energy on here talking down on our team, certain individuals, Gus, Ivan, our cap, management, pretty much everything about the club really. I just don’t get it.

I don't think the defence thing matters for a captain, as long as they are putting in.

Jimmy's personality is why I don't think he should be captain and I doubt he even wants to be. He doesn't want to be in charge IMO, he'd rather sit back and inject himself when he thinks he should. Also he's a joker, ill disciplined on the field(just a fact) and when something gets under his skin he gets on tilt, multiple games last year he just fell apart while captain and the team went with him.

I think he will be a much happier footballer if he isn't given the captaincy.

 

[Kilkenny]

I don't think the defence thing matters for a captain, as long as they are putting in.

Jimmy's personality is why I don't think he should be captain and I doubt he even wants to be. He doesn't want to be in charge IMO, he'd rather sit back and inject himself when he thinks he should. Also he's a joker, ill disciplined on the field(just a fact) and when something gets under his skin he gets on tilt, multiple games last year he just fell apart while captain and the team went with him.

I think he will be a much happier footballer if he isn't given the captaincy.

I’m happy to go with who ever Ivan thinks is the best person for the job, but given our youth and there isn’t a lot of candidates so I assume it’s between Jimmy & Yeo.

 

[Wookies&Cream]

I’m happy to go with who ever Ivan thinks is the best person for the job, but given our youth and there isn’t a lot of candidates so I assume it’s between Jimmy & Yeo.

Here's left field. Why not Dwz. Did it for NZ
Provided he plays fullback of course

Plus Jimmy in his interviews gave the impression he wants it.

 

[MrBlack]

Here's left field. Why not Dwz. Did it for NZ

I was just about to write the same thing.

We could do a lot worse than DWZ. He puts in every week and plays 80 mins.

 

[Wookies&Cream]

I was just about to write the same thing.

We could do a lot worse than DWZ. He puts in every week and plays 80 mins.

It's going to be a coin toss between Dwz and Edwards for fullback. Dwz was on fire with his returns last year, really grew into the position. He always got us on the front foot by making a ton of metres from the return, allowing our forwards to get behind the ball. Edwards is going to have to shape up with the return commitment to push Dwz out to the wing

 

[mxlegend99]

We should pick DWZ or Yeo as the main captain. Knowing they can do it for several years atleast. Jimmy can be our 'vice captain' talking to the team.

Jimmy probably doesn't have the best personality for talking to refs. Unlike Thurston he cant get away with murder.

 

[franklin2323]

No reason wingers can't be captain. Plenty of stop start footy these days to come in if needed.

 

[betcats]

Plus Jimmy in his interviews gave the impression he wants it.

If he wants it then he probably should get it, but he needs to lead on the field better than he did last year, you cant be losing your cool in games the way he did.

 

[OldPanther]

Premierships are won on defence, he's won 2, and been to another grand final. Hes not the best defender, but having a good edge partner will go a long way to rectifying his shortcomings. It's the same as any other typically bad half. Thurston has had Cooper for the last few years to fix his issues, no reason Yeo can't do the same.

Exactly why I think he should switch sides. He is easily the worst defender in the NRL but we have the quality to look after him. Especially with a better defencive coach.

Would you say that he lets in a few soft tries every game and is the worst defender in the sport of rugby league??

Of course you wouldn’t.

It’s the over exaggeration that’s quite boring.

I don't know about every game but definitely a reasonable amount over the season. Last year he was easily exploited.

 

[betcats]

DWZ is an interesting idea, very passionate about winning and he will never let us down off the field. He can be hot headed on the field though he did the job for NZ pretty well, Maybe he has grown out of that a little bit. And I agree with Franklin, I cant see why a winger cant be captain.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Exactly why I think he should switch sides. He is easily the worst defender in the NRL but we have the quality to look after him. Especially with a better defencive coach.



I don't know about every game but definitely a reasonable amount over the season. Last year he was easily exploited.

No he wasn’t. He mostly misses his tackles when he’s isolated in broken play, that’s not exploiting a player, in set defence he’s fine, because the structure allows other players to help him.

Much the same as Kikau, he’s a good defender when he knows who he is marking, he is a bad defender when he’s faced with having to make decisions.

Jimmys biggest issue is his body, once his neck is fixed, our structure can account for his defencive problems. The same reason why it’s never stopped him being picked in a rep team, it’s not that hard to structure a defence around a couple of weak defenders.

I’m confident he won’t be a liability once his neck isn’t bothering him.

 

[betcats]

No he wasn’t. He mostly misses his tackles when he’s isolated in broken play, that’s not exploiting a player, in set defence he’s fine, because the structure allows other players to help him.

Much the same as Kikau, he’s a good defender when he knows who he is marking, he is a bad defender when he’s faced with having to make decisions.

Jimmys biggest issue is his body, once his neck is fixed, our structure can account for his defencive problems. The same reason why it’s never stopped him being picked in a rep team, it’s not that hard to structure a defence around a couple of weak defenders.

I’m confident he won’t be a liability once his neck isn’t bothering him.

He definitely gets exploited, usually when he does he doesn't even record a miss because he has shot out of the line and tackled nobody.

The Melbourne big three literally worked out what plays and shape they need to throw at him to get him to shoot out of the line like he does, that is exploiting him. That was either from the matty johns show or an article.

 

[Fangs]

Maloney's defence pre-origin I felt was okay. It was his injuries that made him an absolute passenger in defence.

Being a year older is what concerns me most. Ivan won't carry him like Hook did.

 

[franklin2323]

Maloney's defence pre-origin I felt was okay. It was his injuries that made him an absolute passenger in defence.

Being a year older is what concerns me most. Ivan won't carry him like Hook did.

That wasn't entirely him. Kikau was killing teams. As a result he was targeted in defence and found wanting.

My biggest critiscm of Ivan was never dropping anyone. Seemed injuries forced his hand. So we will see how that part goes

 

[BxTom]

I don't think the defence thing matters for a captain, as long as they are putting in.

Jimmy's personality is why I don't think he should be captain and I doubt he even wants to be. He doesn't want to be in charge IMO, he'd rather sit back and inject himself when he thinks he should. Also he's a joker, ill disciplined on the field(just a fact) and when something gets under his skin he gets on tilt, multiple games last year he just fell apart while captain and the team went with him.

I think he will be a much happier footballer if he isn't given the captaincy.

Disagree, it has been said by a few that he has a lot to say both in the game and in training, even at SOO level. He is also praised for managing games. Being Captain allows him greater ability to manage games.

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[kinghippo]

I think Maloney’s defensive liabilities seemed worse this year due to the horrid state the game was in with all the penalties.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not claiming he is awesome in D but he was put at a disadvantage compared to most years because of the refs whistle.

The emphasis on quick ball play lead to markers and targeted defenders constantly getting caught out because they basically had no chance of getting back on side.

The play the balls got worse and worse, not standing, moving forward meters off the mark not touching with feet.
It all hampered defence and specifically players like Maloney who at times was forced to try and make 2 or 3 tackles in a row.
For whatever reason it lead to our team getting flogged in penalty counts and Maloney’s personal stats copped a hiding too.

 

[umina panther]

They way he carried on in the Sharks semi should have seen him sacked really