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2019 Federal Election

Gronk

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Labor lost what was dubbed the un-loosable election. People have become sick of the minority groups with there polticaly correct crap. Labor latched on for the votes.
What they didn't realise was the average Joe remianed silent and humble.

Yeah I don't think that's why labor lost. They failed to explain their policies and could not counter that liberal mantra "labor will raise your taxes".

The Libs picked up a western Sydney seat, two in QLD and one in Tassie. Otherwise it was the same as the last election. The swings were about 5%. So I think it's a bit of a reach to start talking about a surge against political correctness and average Joe stuff.

The biggest shock for everyone really is how the fortnightly NewsPoll has found itself to be totally useless. I think there has been at least 3 Prime Ministers who have lost their jobs because of inner sanctum rumblings based on poor showings in these polls. Now we find out that they are worthless indicators. Indeed, if these polls were accurate this time around, then perhaps Labor would have campaigned differently. They certainly would have dumped a few unpopular policies.
 

hindy111

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Well I was going to vote labor till Alan explained the death tax. I did not like the sound of that.
 

hindy111

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And maybe best not to put a union rep as your leader. I dont mind labor getting in next time around. A bit of balance is good. Shorten was a poor choice.
 

Gronk

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Well I was going to vote labor till Alan explained the death tax. I did not like the sound of that.

Alan earns $4m a year, yet he has no partner or children. You should become his friend. He wouldn't have long to go I'd say.
 

T-Boon

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Yeah I don't think that's why labor lost. They failed to explain their policies and could not counter that liberal mantra "labor will raise your taxes".

The Libs picked up a western Sydney seat, two in QLD and one in Tassie. Otherwise it was the same as the last election. The swings were about 5%. So I think it's a bit of a reach to start talking about a surge against political correctness and average Joe stuff.

The biggest shock for everyone really is how the fortnightly NewsPoll has found itself to be totally useless. I think there has been at least 3 Prime Ministers who have lost their jobs because of inner sanctum rumblings based on poor showings in these polls. Now we find out that they are worthless indicators. Indeed, if these polls were accurate this time around, then perhaps Labor would have campaigned differently. They certainly would have dumped a few unpopular policies.

I reckon the main reason labor lost was because people don't like Shorten. I have doubts that the vast majority of voters even listen to policies these days. It mainly comes down to the appearance of the leaders. Shorten has always looked like a weasel, which is also what he actually is.
 

hindy111

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I reckon the main reason labor lost was because people don't like Shorten. I have doubts that the vast majority of voters even listen to policies these days. It mainly comes down to the appearance of the leaders. Shorten has always looked like a weasel, which is also what he actually is.

He reminds me of thst merkin from beavis and butthead.
 

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Yeah I don't think that's why labor lost. They failed to explain their policies and could not counter that liberal mantra "labor will raise your taxes".

The Libs picked up a western Sydney seat, two in QLD and one in Tassie. Otherwise it was the same as the last election. The swings were about 5%. So I think it's a bit of a reach to start talking about a surge against political correctness and average Joe stuff.

The biggest shock for everyone really is how the fortnightly NewsPoll has found itself to be totally useless. I think there has been at least 3 Prime Ministers who have lost their jobs because of inner sanctum rumblings based on poor showings in these polls. Now we find out that they are worthless indicators. Indeed, if these polls were accurate this time around, then perhaps Labor would have campaigned differently. They certainly would have dumped a few unpopular policies.


Code for the electorate saw through their policies.

Again no shock at all to the aware and informed without bias.
 

Gronk

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Code for the electorate saw through their policies.

Again no shock at all to the aware and informed without bias.

* some people.

The swings were by and large 5% in a few electorates which has given the the LNP a few more seats. So best get down from your soapbox.
 

hindy111

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* some people.

The swings were by and large 5% in a few electorates which has given the the LNP a few more seats. So best get down from your soapbox.

New leader for Labor and perhaps dont go full green and they win in 3yrs.

Yes look after environment is priority. Lets not make silly electric car plans just yet. Chill put a little uno. Maybe make the little man feel important by offering some sort of rebate if he uses less then a certain amount of Kwatts per household. NLittlw things like this.
I have greenie friends who leave AC and lights on when not even home. Oh lights waste nothing. Oh I want house cold when get home.
I have no AC and wouldnt dream of leaving a light on in a room that was vacant. Sure we are talking tiny savings but it helps putting the responsibility on every individual. Some people prefer to blame a wynge. I guess it is easier.
 

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Problem for Labor is both Plibasek, who won't stand, and Albanese are from the hard left of inner city Labor. See if they shift to closer to the middle , but that's not really in their DNA.

Interesting times to watch the selection and how they handle the hard left factions from Victoria as NSW leader of the party.
 

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Problem for Labor is both Plibasek, who won't stand, and Albanese are from the hard left of inner city Labor. See if they shift to closer to the middle , but that's not really in their DNA.

Interesting times to watch the selection and how they handle the hard left factions from Victoria as NSW leader of the party.
It's very exciting!!!
 

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I think Labor has lost touch with its core values it was built on ... they are turning into the Greens

I know a Mediterranean Descendant family who has never voted anything other than Labor - like a religion ... factory workers, union fans ... but they no longer think labor care about that stuff ... so they switched .... dunno if there are others similar???

Labor lost cos they couldnt claw back seats that were previously Labor .... they have lost touch
 

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The Op-Ed in the AFR this morning is by an Anonymous merkin from the Libs.

Why Morrison won by a Coalition campaign insider
From the outset, Scott Morrison correctly made the election about trust and values; which leader do you trust?

Anonymous
May 20, 2019 — 12.01am
Stunned by the looming loss on Saturday night, Labor spokespeople sought to blame Clive Palmer and One Nation for the far better than predicted results for Scott Morrison and the Coalition, potentially setting up an argument that the Coalition’s victory was somehow not legitimate.

But this ALP position betrays a failure to recognise that Labor and Bill Shorten ran a bad election campaign, and Scott Morrison ran a winning campaign.

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Morrison made the election about trust and values. AAP

Labor made many mistakes, both in its campaign and the strategy that underpinned it. Labor assumed that the 2016 election result was a solid baseline, but it wasn't for reasons that should have been clearly recognisable months ago.

  • In 2019, there was no “Mr Harbourside Mansion”;
  • Malcolm Turnbull’s 2016 “exciting time” election campaign theme built around innovation did not resonate with vast sections of the community and, in regional areas, especially Queensland, it actually scared people who feared for their job prospects;
  • Turnbull would not accept arguments in favour of a scare campaign, particularly on climate change;
  • Labor’s “Mediscare” campaign was very effective and it had no equivalent in 2019;
  • And most importantly, Bill Shorten was not expected to win the 2016 election, which meant there was no real scrutiny of Labor’s negative gearing and capital gains tax policies.
Knowing all this, campaign strategists would have – or should have – known there were a lot of votes in play: Undecided and “soft” voters who were not “rusted on” to any one party.

In the days immediately before Saturday’s poll, Liberal Party polling was finding that around 15 per cent of the electorate was still undecided, and the “soft” vote remained at around 30 per cent. Coalition strategists knew that, as seen in the 1993 election, many voters would not make up their minds until they entered the polling booth.

With hindsight, Shorten made a major tactical mistake not resuming campaigning in key seats from Friday afternoon through to Saturday. In contrast, Morrison blitzed five marginal seats.

From the campaign outset, the mood of the electorate was hard to read. What seemed clear was there was little appetite for either party, but also that voters did not want a minority government.

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Labor’s big campaign spending promises did not resonate with the electorate. SMH

The electorate was effectively split into three main groupings: no change, change, ambivalent. Voters were frustrated with politics and viewed politicians as self-interested. The key question then became: How do you convince these voters to vote for you?

All of this favoured a presidential-style campaign and from the outset, Morrison correctly made the election about trust and values; which leader do you trust?

Public and private research had consistently shown that people did not necessarily trust, or like, Shorten, and he was especially unpopular with women, who saw him as an ambitious union leader and politician.

Throughout the campaign, Liberal strategists sought to hammer home this message. It was there in Morrison’s low-key, family-based campaign launch, compared with Shorten’s “ritzy” launch a week earlier. And again in the pictures of Morrison and his family on the front pages of major newspapers last Monday.

Labor was locked into a “big spending, big announcement” strategy. But key parts of the electorate saw this as Labor presenting “retail offers”, rather than a vision.

This is why Shorten’s big campaign announcements did not produce a major lift in Labor’s primary vote in opinion polls. This should have been a warning signal to Labor strategists.

Voters might have been hopeful that Labor would deliver, but they did not trust them to actually do it. Many people simply did not believe Labor’s budget promises.

This perception was reinforced at several points during the campaign. There was Labor’s decision to “match” Morrison’s housing deposit announcement. There were the tax changes sold as inter-generational theft. Party research showed that pitting one group of Australians against another “jarred” with many voters – it's a double-edged sword when many of the “winners” in this battle were children of the “losers”.

Climate change and the associated issue of the Adani coal mine in Queensland was another major theme that Labor struggled to bring home. Voters were concerned that Shorten refused to spell out the economic costs of Labor’s carbon policy, which only furthered the doubts about his trustworthiness and Labor’s ability to manage the economy.

On the wages front, while research showed key sections of the electorate responded positively to the idea of wage increases, there was also an associated concern about what it would do to the economy. Labor's wages policy horrified small business.

So, again, a positive policy from Labor only served to reinforce major concerns about Shorten and Labor.

As in 1993, this election was one for the Leader of the Opposition to lose – and he did.

From a campaign perspective, it's a result that will reverberate across federal and state politics for years to come.

The writer was a Liberal Party campaign strategist.

https://www.afr.com/news/politics/n...-a-coalition-campaign-insider-20190519-p51ozs
Anonymous .... ffs - loses credibility before the article even starts ... wtf are they thinking
 

crocodile

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Problem for Labor is both Plibasek, who won't stand, and Albanese are from the hard left of inner city Labor. See if they shift to closer to the middle , but that's not really in their DNA.

Interesting times to watch the selection and how they handle the hard left factions from Victoria as NSW leader of the party.
Albert Squeezy is from the NSW left but he's a pretty pragmatic guy.
 

hineyrulz

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I think Labor has lost touch with its core values it was built on ... they are turning into the Greens

I know a Mediterranean Descendant family who has never voted anything other than Labor - like a religion ... factory workers, union fans ... but they no longer think labor care about that stuff ... so they switched .... dunno if there are others similar???

Labor lost cos they couldnt claw back seats that were previously Labor .... they have lost touch
Spot on, they have gone away from their core values to appear woke and hip.

They were the working class party for the working class people but they have left them in droves. Same thing happened to the Democrats in the US.

People couldn’t give two shits about the environment when they are struggling to put a roof over their heads and send their kids to school.
 

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