2020 Charity Shield

[muzby]

Only in your opinion

It’s my opinion that you’re missing the point or my opinion that it will help reduce timewasting?

As if it’s the latter:
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/captai...ark-levy/000b5457-5d94-4737-880a-dc2805d1809a

 

[Dragonsamy]

It’s my opinion that you’re missing the point or my opinion that it will help reduce timewasting?

As if it’s the latter:
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/captai...ark-levy/000b5457-5d94-4737-880a-dc2805d1809a

In your opinion not mine.
And I will not change it because you think I sould.
After a few week 4 or 5 I'll review my option.
Until then that is my option

 

[muzby]

In your opinion not mine.
And I will not change it because you think I sould.
After a few week 4 or 5 I'll review my option.
Until then that is my option

Don’t get so defensive. I’m pointing out it’s not my opinion that it should speed up decision making.

It’s the NRL’s theory that it should.

No one is asking you to change your opinion.

 

[Dragonsamy]

Don’t get so defensive. I’m pointing out it’s not my opinion that it should speed up decision making.

It’s the NRL’s theory that it should.

No one is asking you to change your opinion.

See my previous post
That's all I'll say

 

[Willow]

And that's we're we'll leave it guys.

It comes down to opinion followed by a wait-and-see.

FTR, I know I'm right and everyone else is wrong, even if you agree with me. Ask @Old Timer

 

[Old Timer]

With the captains challenge can the ref instantly dismiss it if the captain is blatantly incorrect in respect of what he is challenging?
For instance Melbourne get a player sent to the bin with 5 on the clock and then they defend several sets and are getting gassed whilst defending a 3 point lead.
Opposition have the ball, Smith rushes up out of the defensive line on the 5th tackle, clearly knocks the ball on and the ref says scrum.
Smith then challenges the ref in an effort to get his side a breather and reset the defensive line in addition they get the time required to set the scrum.
It is clearly a knock on but he has the right to challenge but it is frivolous and clear exploration of the rule so can it happen?
If so then the attacking team are clearly disadvantaged.

 

[muzby]

With the captains challenge can the ref instantly dismiss it if the captain is blatantly incorrect in respect of what he is challenging?
For instance Melbourne get a player sent to the bin with 5 on the clock and then they defend several sets and are getting gassed whilst defending a 3 point lead.
Opposition have the ball, Smith rushes up out of the defensive line on the 5th tackle, clearly knocks the ball on and the ref says scrum.
Smith then challenges the ref in an effort to get his side a breather and reset the defensive line in addition they get the time required to set the scrum.
It is clearly a knock on but he has the right to challenge but it is frivolous and clear exploration of the rule so can it happen?
If so then the attacking team are clearly disadvantaged.

That all comes down to them not having got a contested a decision wrong before during the half. Considering there are what, 10-15 stoppages a half, that gives plenty of opportunity that they may have used it already. Particularly a known ref harasser like Smith.

But yes, in that case it would provide an advantage to the defending team, and the NRL have acknowledged the end of game part is where they’ll be watching closely to see the impact. If players start abusing it, something will change. Look at the passing into the defender nonsense from 2018.

 

[Dragonsamy]

With the captains challenge can the ref instantly dismiss it if the captain is blatantly incorrect in respect of what he is challenging?
For instance Melbourne get a player sent to the bin with 5 on the clock and then they defend several sets and are getting gassed whilst defending a 3 point lead.
Opposition have the ball, Smith rushes up out of the defensive line on the 5th tackle, clearly knocks the ball on and the ref says scrum.
Smith then challenges the ref in an effort to get his side a breather and reset the defensive line in addition they get the time required to set the scrum.
It is clearly a knock on but he has the right to challenge but it is frivolous and clear exploration of the rule so can it happen?
If so then the attacking team are clearly disadvantaged.

Of course the captains will abuse this.
When it comes down to it you're winning by a few points of course you're going to use it

 

[Old Timer]

Of course the captains will abuse this.
When it comes down to it you're winning by a few points of course you're going to use it

I agree with you that this extra burden of the Captains call will only slow the game down further and it will be exploited by the cheats in the game.
On another note I am glad to see your comprehension skills are working as always Samy and it is excellent that you (who is much maligned by another) understand for a captain to make a challenge he actually has to have 1 to make.
Obviously if you don't have 1 you can't make 1, easy for some to comprehend not so easy for others.
I can't wait to see the fiasco this is going to create.

 

[Dragonsamy]

I agree with you that this extra burden of the Captains call will only slow the game down further and it will be exploited by the cheats in the game.
On another note I am glad to see your comprehension skills are working as always Samy and it is excellent that you (who is much maligned by another) understand for a captain to make a challenge he actually has to have 1 to make.
Obviously if you don't have 1 you can't make 1, easy for some to comprehend not so easy for others.
I can't wait to see the fiasco this is going to create.

If I was say the dragons captain (hypothetically) leading in a game and we had a penalty against us , and we had been defending 3 or4 repeat sets in a row ( even if I new the penalty was legit) I would query it as it would take a couple of minutes at least for it to be reviewed and in that couple of minutes it's amazing how well you can recover. But I don't need to tell you that OT you already knew

 

[Willow]

Of course the captains will abuse this.
When it comes down to it you're winning by a few points of course you're going to use it

The captains are only allowed one call per half.

 

[Dragonsamy]

The captains are only allowed one call per half.

Exactly.
So that is why if you haven't use it you will.
Just like challenges in the tennis. You will see people using them just because they're there or they need a rest. Or you can slow down the opposition

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

The captains are only allowed one call per half.

Cam Smith will save it as a ‘Get Out of Free’ card and use it in the 79th minute.

 

[Willow]

Cam Smith will save it as a ‘Get Out of Free’ card and use it in the 79th minute.

Smith would have hated this rule. Only one whinge allowed per half.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

Smith would have hated this rule. Only one whinge allowed per half.

You make a valid point.

 

[Overseas dragon]

Yes Uncle Wayne says Jimmy the jet is looking good, maybe Mary's two superstar centres, will cut him down to size..... ...........maybe mary

 

[Old Timer]

Smith would have hated this rule. Only one whinge allowed per half.

My understanding is he can still whinge as much as and as many times as he likes so nothing changes there but now he has the opportunity to force the referee to actually act on his dummy spit when it suits him most to do so and he gets to do it in both halves.
For this to work the ref has to say are you challenging yes or no and if no play on instantly but we all know that is not how it will actually play out.
What I would like confirmed is if you successfully challenge do you keep your challenge in that half?

 

[Dragonsamy]

My understanding is he can still whinge as much as and as many times as he likes so nothing changes there but now he has the opportunity to force the referee to actually act on his dummy spit when it suits him most to do so and he gets to do it in both halves.
For this to work the ref has to say are you challenging yes or no and if no play on instantly but we all know that is not how it will actually play out.
What I would like confirmed is if you successfully challenge do you keep your challenge in that half?

I think you do. From what I can understand

 

[muzby]

What I would like confirmed is if you successfully challenge do you keep your challenge in that half?

No.

The rule says only one incorrect challenge per half, nothing about correct challenges.

Therefore a captain can get one challenge wrong, but can’t get any challenges correct.

 

[Old Timer]

I think you do. From what I can understand

Samy
I believe you can keep challenging rulings as long as you are proven correct
As soon as you get 1 wrong that is it for the half
So if a ref gets 3 wrong and you have challenged all 3 then you still have the right to challenge if you so desire.
I note that some people are focussing on the wrong call rather than how many right calls you can have whilst you and I understand that 1 wrong call stops the cycle.