2022 NRL ratings

[Wb1234]

Reality is the NRL when all ratings including rep, origin, nz and regionals are included has beaten the AFLs ratings for the better part of a decade. Its just that few people outside league circles gave a damn about anything non metro.



As someone whose been tracking ratings data since 2008, I can confidently say you are full of many things that arent facts.



I also said you need to pick one - or do you simply not read the entire post. Either the ratings dont matter, or PVL is an idiot.



Ive never seen the Swans beat Rugby league on a Friday night in Sydney ever. That they used to get higher ratings on FTA when Ten/One showed them live in Sydney from 2002-2011 is undeniably true. Those ratings also dropped when Fox began simulcasting all matches, and Seven went to solo FTA broadcasting.



That wasnt true under the 2017 deal or its extension in 2020. And probably wasnt true in 2012 either.



When i first started doing Industry ratings in 2011, the NRL was already ahead when regionals, City/Country, Tests and origin were included, but we rarely got regional data before 2013, and we havent seen NZ data since 2015.



And it doesnt seem to matter to anyone paying for the rights. Now why is that? When you can answer that question properly, we're all on the same page.

How do you know they don’t matter

that’s just an excuse you made to defend afl getting better tv deals

obviously the fact they we have been unable to really demonstrate we are the number one tv sport regularly until now (thanks for the info by the way great stuff)

And this may shock you to know but news ltd were half owners of the game until around 2015

news lts are also large shareholders foxtel

if you think having them owning the game had more impact on the poor tv deals the league signed them that’s just wishful thinking

I’m just not convinced by your arguments they don’t hold weight

Afl had a really good run since 1995 to solidly top spot and they dropped the ball

and another pertinent question why have afl ratings collapsed in nsw and qld since their high ?

seven used to show the swans live against the nrl now it’s stuck away on a minor channel

that’s the problem afl faces and it’s being ignored

and yes vlandys made a mistake with the original tv deal. Which he rectified with the dolphins and further rectify with the next team to be announced in 2025

and of course regionals matter. Regionals have the same income as a place like Adelaide and in some places more so

 

[The_Wookie]

How do you know they don’t matter

that’s just an excuse you made to defend afl getting better tv deals

Ffs. its not rocket science. Either the ratings arent everything or - and for the life of me I cant see how anyone disputes this given what we know - PVL made a bad call.

With the season done, I dont need to post here until theres actual ratiings to discuss. Stay chill kids

 

[Starkers]

No he didnt and no I didnt. Cricket is not the argument he thinks it is.

The raw ratings data shows that league is top rating. There is clearly more to it than that when it comes to broadcasters paying for it.

Im not worried about any sport. I am concerned that yours is being run by a buffoon

Amen. I love NRL but PVL has to answer a lot of things regarding negotiations with Foxtel.

 

[Wb1234]

Ffs. its not rocket science. Either the ratings arent everything or - and for the life of me I cant see how anyone disputes this given what we know - PVL made a bad call.

With the season done, I dont need to post here until theres actual ratiings to discuss. Stay chill kids

There’s still a rugby league World Cup lmao

but yeh the afl is done

 

[Colk]

How do you know they don’t matter

that’s just an excuse you made to defend afl getting better tv deals

obviously the fact they we have been unable to really demonstrate we are the number one tv sport regularly until now (thanks for the info by the way great stuff)

And this may shock you to know but news ltd were half owners of the game until around 2015

news lts are also large shareholders foxtel

if you think having them owning the game had more impact on the poor tv deals the league signed them that’s just wishful thinking

I’m just not convinced by your arguments they don’t hold weight

Afl had a really good run since 1995 to solidly top spot and they dropped the ball

and another pertinent question why have afl ratings collapsed in nsw and qld since their high ?

seven used to show the swans live against the nrl now it’s stuck away on a minor channel

that’s the problem afl faces and it’s being ignored

and yes vlandys made a mistake with the original tv deal. Which he rectified with the dolphins and further rectify with the next team to be announced in 2025

and of course regionals matter. Regionals have the same income as a place like Adelaide and in some places more so

That is all fine but that doesn’t deflect or make an argument against why we are getting a much worse deal than fumbleball. We are not half owned by News Limited anymore and our ratings are better

V’Landys made a really really dud deal

 

[Wb1234]

That is all fine but that doesn’t deflect or make an argument against why we are getting a much worse deal than fumbleball. We are not half owned by News Limited anymore and our ratings are better

V’Landys made a really really dud deal

It was a response to his claim that afl has gotten better deals for 40 years

so that response covers most of that time

as I said afl used to beat us overall

I think 2018 was the first time we had beaten them

afl ratings have actually declined from their peak quite a bit

remember rugby league has never gotten a tv deal better than afl. Right now it’s pretty close

so when we do get the same as them it’s actually making history. It’s not just going to happen easily.

you guys post stuff like it’s just going to happen with little effort

 

[Perth Red]

The media deals are not pretty close,and haven’t been since we became independent, and are about to have a gap wider than the Grand Canyon!

media deals gap per year
2013
$65mill
2017
$41mill
2023
$61mill
2025
$241mill

 

[The_Wookie]

I think 2018 was the first time we had beaten them

When all ratings are included Rugby league tv ratings have beaten the AFL nearly every year since 2013. Its just that no one then talked about anything except metro ratings, and never NZ.

There’s still a rugby league World Cup lmao

Pretty much Fox/Kayo only this time. Ratings will be interesting given timeslots

 

[RedVee_8]

When all ratings are included Rugby league tv ratings have beaten the AFL nearly every year since 2013. Its just that no one then talked about anything except metro ratings, and never NZ.



Pretty much Fox/Kayo only this time. Ratings will be interesting given timeslots

RLWC, I will series link them on Fox and watch when I am awake. I assume only Foxtel knows how many watch via Fox Sports and Kayo?

 

[Colk]

It was a response to his claim that afl has gotten better deals for 40 years

so that response covers most of that time

as I said afl used to beat us overall

I think 2018 was the first time we had beaten them

afl ratings have actually declined from their peak quite a bit

remember rugby league has never gotten a tv deal better than afl. Right now it’s pretty close

so when we do get the same as them it’s actually making history. It’s not just going to happen easily.

you guys post stuff like it’s just going to happen with little effort

Nobody is suggesting that it is easy but that is one of the key criteria for him and the commission: to negotiate for the game’s interests. If they can’t do that then you replace them.

 

[Wb1234]

Nobody is suggesting that it is easy but that is one of the key criteria for him and the commission: to negotiate for the game’s interests. If they can’t do that then you replace them.

Lmao no

maybe you accept the reality as things have been for the past 40 years and accept it’s going to take a lot of time and hard work to achieve this

 

[The_Wookie]

Lmao no

maybe you accept the reality as things have been for the past 40 years and accept it’s going to take a lot of time and hard work to achieve this

Its going to take competent administrators who are concerned more about rugby league than they are about the possibility that broadcasters could go broke if they bid too much. Its going to take smart people who know they dont need to do a 5 year deal extension at discount rates when a 2 year deal would have sufficed.

 

[Colk]

Lmao no

maybe you accept the reality as things have been for the past 40 years and accept it’s going to take a lot of time and hard work to achieve this

Stop framing or creating arguments to deflect blame away from the commission.

What happened in the 40 years previous to V’Landys making a dud TV deal has no relevance to that dud TV deal. If you are talking about things which take time, like improving crowds to match theirs, or improving memberships to match theirs then your point would be relevant but this is a matter of a negotiation.

The commission or V’Landys extended their deal for 7 years in the middle of a pandemic whilst fumbleball didn’t: that is all that is relevant

 

[Wb1234]

If

Stop framing or creating arguments to deflect blame away from the commission.

What happened in the 40 years previous to V’Landys making a dud TV deal has no relevance to that dud TV deal. If you are talking about things which take time, like improving crowds to match theirs, or improving memberships to match theirs then your point would be relevant but this is a matter of a negotiation.

The commission or V’Landys extended their deal for 7 years in the middle of a pandemic whilst fumbleball didn’t: that is all that is relevant

If you want to jump into a conversation then read the post I quoted or don’t respond to save everyone’s time

it’s just distracting

 

[Colk]

If

If you want to jump into a conversation then read the post I quoted or don’t respond to save everyone’s time

it’s just distracting

What’s your argument then and how does it relate to V’Landys decision?

 

[Wb1234]

What’s your argument then and how does it relate to V’Landys decision?

Argument about what lmao

I’ve already said vlandys made a mistake signing that long term deal with foxtel

you want to sack him for one mistake against all the good he’s done

if we go back to that time did you say he was an idiot to do this or are you just talking from hindsight like a typical internet expert

 

[Perth Red]

Would I sack him for a mistake that’s going to costs the game hundreds of millions of $’s? Ermmmm yeh I think I would lol
(that alone would be enough, let alone all his other f**k ups in last 2 years )

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Perth Red]

AFL Seven 3.068 Metro: 2.186m Regional: 787,000 BVOD: 95,000
NRL Nine 2.765m Metro 1.674m Regional 697,000 BVOD 394,000

So with a drop off for both codes does this mean less people are watching sport? both games were blow outs and that impacted viewers? or less people are casually watching FTA with the advent of streaming?

The regional and BVOD numbers are interesting, Id have thought NRL would have had more regionals than AFL, and AFL BVOD seems surprisingly low?

 

[The_Wookie]

AFL Seven 3.068 Metro: 2.186m Regional: 787,000 BVOD: 95,000
NRL Nine 2.765m Metro 1.674m Regional 697,000 BVOD 394,000

So with a drop off for both codes does this mean less people are watching sport? both games were blow outs and that impacted viewers? or less people are casually watching FTA with the advent of streaming?

The regional and BVOD numbers are interesting, Id have thought NRL would have had more regionals than AFL, and AFL BVOD seems surprisingly low?

Seven doesnt really have BVOD rights, they have the rights to stream to specific devices only. Its still well down on last year.