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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

Perth Red

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Stan?! ROFLMAO. They are owned by that great financially generous owner Channel 9 😂
Not to mention for there to be bidders there has to be an auction! Pistol Pete has already run his mouth that we might have a new contract by the end of the year, before we've even started the new one lol.
If that's the case it certainly wont be an open bidding opportunity, it will be trying to squeeze a bit more out of the two incumbents. The next opportunity for competitive bidding will be for the 2028 rights. Lets hop Vlad is long gone by then!
 

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The narrative that rugby league was doomed in Australia could only be the product of poor administration, not the inherent strength of the game itself.

This was confirmed when the NRL looked at its balance sheet during COVID and noted the game barely owned an asset in the form of bricks and mortar. (The NRL has also since disposed of one of its most valuable assets, its digital media arm, at the behest of its principal broadcasters.)

The “sky falling in” narrative – well supported by News Corp and Nine – was that V’landys was largely responsible for the survival of the game. The purported grave risk to the game’s very survival presented to the public in this period is frankly not borne out by any proper consideration of the game’s overall history. (In contrast, the potential existential threat to the game, and all collision sports, of concussion and CTE has been acted on painfully slowly by the NRL.)

Unfortunately for V’landys (and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo), the absolute key indicator of success and independence in these roles is the negotiation of media rights (as this funds all levels of the game from grassroots to the NRL and State of Origin).

In this regard, they have been completely trumped by the AFL’s CEO Gillon McLachlan. As such, the NRL negotiators must be held directly responsible for underfunding the game in comparison to the AFL for any period in which the AFL rights exceed those of the NRL.

The near complete absence of debate in rugby league media about this issue is extremely concerning. Initial reporting of the issue was almost completely restricted to Roy Masters and Andrew Webster, both of the Sydney Morning Herald. Effectively, the NRL media partners – News Corp and Nine – have completely shut down discussion of this matter and potential criticism of V’landys and Abdo.

To make this even worse, it has been widely reported that Nine bid $500 million per year for the AFL rights, a figure in excess of that paid to rugby league for broadcast rights on Nine between 2023 – 2027. It begs the question – was Nine prepared to sacrifice its current sports partner, rugby league, to acquire the AFL in its stead?

How else could such an offer be viewed given the obvious broadcasting conflicts which would immediately emerge from Nine holding the rights to both AFL and NRL simultaneously? (Foxtel of course were successful with Seven in obtaining the AFL rights up to and including 2031 – again paying overs compared to the NRL rights and thereby showing Foxtel’s continuing bias towards AFL which has existed at that organisation since its inception and the days of Rupert Murdoch speaking publicly in favour of the AFL over rugby league.)

Webster’s SMH article (the paper is owned by Nine) actually appeared to admit that criticism of V’landys and Abdo had been forced upon the SMH by concern from people in the wider rugby league community.
The suggestion that the article was “only written” for this reason again causes concern about the true independence of journalists paid by Foxtel and Nine and their ability to directly criticise the NRL.

Certainly, the AFL deal (and its impacts on rugby league) appear to have been ignored on Foxtel’s nightly NRL360 panel show at the time the deal was released to the media. Discussion around individual finals matches was allowed to continue unabated on NRL360, while the elephant of TV rights sat sunning itself untouched in a corner of the studio, the big picture totally ignored.

Nine’s recent media rights decisions have now directly funded the NRL’s opposition sports in both the AFL and rugby union. Nine paid $100 million to rugby union for three years broadcasting rights while seeking reductions from the NRL for reduced content during the pandemic. Effectively, Nine took the money due to rugby league and handed it to rugby union (a sport that has sought to kill off the independent sport of rugby league for over 120 years). Some loyalty by Nine!

At the same time, Nine has ignored international rugby league (no bid for games during the upcoming Rugby League World Cups in England starting next month) and advertised rugby union widely during important rugby league telecasts such as the State of Origin series. For the NRL to seemingly countenance this behaviour from Nine without public reproach is quite remarkable.

Indeed, V’landys main focus in the Webster SMH article appeared, extraordinarily, to be his claim that the NRL saved Foxtel as a going concern, and this aided the AFL in their record negotiations. That this apparent concern for the sport’s long-term broadcaster’s health was allowed to seemingly overtake concern for the sport itself and its crucial future funding arrangements beggars belief. Perhaps it was a misstatement on V’landys part? If so, it has yet to be corrected in the public domain to my knowledge.

Since then, claims of seeking compensation from Foxtel for breach of a non-existent “no more favourable clause (than the AFL)” in the NRLs written agreement have been pushed out via various media bodies.

One wonders at the reliability of internal NRL legal advice if they truly believe verbal representations will carry any weight in the consideration of a written contract which will most likely exclude anything oral from its very terms.

The extent to which the clubs place pressure on the NRL over this egregious state of affairs will be seen after the finals conclude.

Whichever way the current NRL tries to spin it, the gap in funding with the AFL has proved fatal for NRL Chairmen and CEOs of the past (see David Gallop).

Whether it proves so for V’landys and Abdo is yet to be seen.

 

The Penguin #6.

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The Penguin #6.

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Sure, there'll be an interest. There always has been an interest.

The big crowds for Origin arent replicated anywhere else in League during the season, dont make the mistake of thinking theatre crowds are the same as regular season support. The Wallabies and Socceroos say hi.

And lol at League is where things get serious. You cant seriously think that in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne that the AFL isnt a serious business.
The fans that go these events will be sympathetic to League, give them a decent team and they will tune in.

Your third paragraph : fumbleball gets uncritical coverage in the media in all those states, in fact it is taken ridiculously seriously. In the other states people know it is a bit of a silly game as there are many radio and television personalities who aren`t in the cult and express their disdain for it. That`s why it will find it much harder to penetrate these states.
BTW I actually watch a bit of fumbleball-w because it is so funny - and I`m serious.
 

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Broncos ratings struggling as the fair weather fans turn off; Nine unhappy

Paywall: https://www.codesports.com.au/nrl/s...g/news-story/72c0bb5d7f9602af76abcc4934a7d42e
Youd have to know what the increase in Fox/Kayo subscriptions have been in Brisbane to know if fans are turning off the game, or just turning over from Ch9!

I'd suggest Fox getting simucast rights to all games was the big game changer in terms of audience share between FTA and PTV. Kayo pricing (Telstra subscription deals) and the shift to streaming by a large chunk of homes would be the other.
 
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Stan?! ROFLMAO. They are owned by that great financially generous owner Channel 9 😂
Well ch 9 have put their nuts out there a bit too publically stating they were willing to pay the aflol 500 mill pa for everything FTA & streaming for 9 games a week ...
they're not party to any " good faith " verbal agreement so we're stuck with our deal with them til 2027

but whats to stop the NRL asking for 600 mill a year for the.. lot... for the next deal.
9 games a week simulcast on Stan & 9.. origin .. NRLW, tests .. everything

foxtel would shit its pants
 

Perth Red

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Well ch 9 have put their nuts out there a bit too publically stating they were willing to pay the aflol 500 mill pa for everything FTA & streaming for 9 games a week ...
they're not party to any " good faith " verbal agreement so we're stuck with our deal with them til 2027

but whats to stop the NRL asking for 600 mill a year for the.. lot... for the next deal.
9 games a week simulcast on Stan & 9.. origin .. NRLW, tests .. everything

foxtel would shit its pants
Thats exactly what they should be doing. Just a shame we are going to have to wait until 2028 for the opportunity. And thats presuming Vlandys doesn't extend with Fox again in the mean time.
 

angak888

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This is pretty much par for finals series.
There is a narrative that V'landys and the NRL are being ripped off by TV executives compared to the AFL.

AFL games (outside of origin) rates higher then the NRL games. This is a fact.

These executives are not paying $200M more a year for a product that rates poorly compared to it's competitor because Gill was able to smooth talk them into doing so.
 

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Well ch 9 have put their nuts out there a bit too publically stating they were willing to pay the aflol 500 mill pa for everything FTA & streaming for 9 games a week ...
they're not party to any " good faith " verbal agreement so we're stuck with our deal with them til 2027

but whats to stop the NRL asking for 600 mill a year for the.. lot... for the next deal.
9 games a week simulcast on Stan & 9.. origin .. NRLW, tests .. everything

foxtel would shit its pants

You should tell Pete that. That’s something it sounds like he is not planning on doing and your idea is much better than his
 
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Pot kettle black my friend. You obviously don’t know anything about contract law

Firstly, you are making assumptions on this whole thing. Do you have evidence that Foxtel outright lied regards their financial position? Your view is only based on an assumption drawn from one of V’Landys stupid responses to an interview. We can all whinge about Foxtel not paying us enough but that is not in their interest as a company to pay more than they want to pay. If our negotiation skills are so poor that we don’t get market rates than that is on V’Landys or other negotiators, not the other way around.

Secondly, the financial terms of a contract are completely seperate to the conditions of said contract. I can’t just decide to not follow the conditions of the contract because I no longer believe that the financial terms of said contract are fair (in hindsight) V’Landys thought at the time that he was getting a fair deal which has proven to be incorrect. It’s also not like he wasn’t warned about that if reports are correct. In regards to the conditions, Foxtel would be fulfilling their obligations of the contract so long as they continue to do what they are currently doing

Thirdly, the NRL have no leverage, absolutely none, unless they can find something in this contract that is unfair and prejudiced or in other words prove that the agreement was not struck in good faith. Also, pointing to the fact that they paid more for fumbleball would not constitute our agreement with Foxtel not being done in good faith, so there goes that defence. It is a seperate agreement with a seperate party and if they got more, well done to them. You can’t force them to re-negotiate if they don’t want to and again in a re-negotiation of a contract, they would hold the power. We would have to concede again in this position so why would you try and negotiate from a position of weakness?

Fourthly, you don’t seem to be understanding the basic tenet of supply equals demand. Hypothetically, if V’landys threatens them and say that this will be their last deal with Pay TV, then we won’t get the deal we all want. Sure Foxtel would be severely damaged but we would be incredibly damaged as well. There is no way we would get a good deal if let’s say for example, Paramount and maybe Stan are the only ones bidding. You need Foxtel to at least bid for the rights to create necessary tension.
you are now morphing into soap dodger clown mode

the dostoevsky novels aren't required ...

Vlandys stated he told the commission foxtel told him that was the limit of what they could spend in 2020 for the NRL .. Vlandys told Delany that if the NRL showed good faith & signed a lower deal then , that if foxtels financial situation changed the NRL would be compensated , Delany agreed , well he certainly hasn't disagreed thats what he said..
Lied about their situation ... maybe , maybe not , but nevertheless they are in a position now to do what they said they would & Vlandys expects this to occur. There is no legal obligation for foxtel to do anything but the implications for not doing anything would be huge.

You think the NRL & Foxtel .. the only 2 parties involved in an agreement can't mutually agree to either completely disolve a contract for a new one , or upgrade the existing one shows how dopey you are ..... ofc they can if they choose to.

Im not saying the NRL will come out right & tell foxtel they won't be included in any future deals if they fail to honour the good faith verbal agreement
but they'll get a wink nod .. okey dokey ... then , see yuz when the new deal comes up for renewal 😎

theres plenty of motivation for foxtel to re negotiate this next deal & simply being hugely out of favour with the ARLC should see the deal corrected accordingly
 

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There is a narrative that V'landys and the NRL are being ripped off by TV executives compared to the AFL.

AFL games (outside of origin) rates higher then the NRL games. This is a fact.

These executives are not paying $200M more a year for a product that rates poorly compared to it's competitor because Gill was able to smooth talk them into doing so.

No it doesn’t. There was an article which clearly shows that is not the case.

The biggest reason is for the difference is V’Landys is a dullard and fumbleball has sides in every metro market.
 
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AFL games (outside of origin) rates higher then the NRL games. This is a fact.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
unzip that fumbler bubble you live in ( or the rock you live under ) & join us in reality

the NRL outside rep games still averaged about 90K more per game then the aflol
thats why it was watched by about 14 million more sets of eyeballs in 2022

but lets not let myths get in the way of a wank eh pal
 

angak888

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No it doesn’t. There was an article which clearly shows that is not the case.

The biggest reason is for the difference is V’Landys is a dullard and fumbleball has sides in every metro market.

This is from Roy Morgan a reputable research company.


Also have a look at raw data from blackbox tv ratings AFL smashes NRL every time.


Just because someone writes if in a article doesn't it mean it is true. Have a look at the actual data. The data suggest AFL is superior product to the NRL.
 
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This is from Roy Morgan a reputable research company.


Also have a look at raw data from blackbox tv ratings AFL smashes NRL every time.


Just because someone writes if in a article doesn't it mean it is true. Have a look at the actual data. The data suggest AFL is superior product to the NRL.
try finding an article from 2022 dopey
 

angak888

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
unzip that fumbler bubble you live in ( or the rock you live under ) & join us in reality

the NRL outside rep games still averaged about 90K more per game then the aflol
thats why it was watched by about 14 million more sets of eyeballs in 2022

but lets not let myths get in the way of a wank eh pal
Less opinions and more facts, please.

Show me the data where NRL beats AFL.
 

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The AFL has the local market coverage on FTA (NSW teams always sees NSW teams, SA sees SA teams etc.). The AFL also has a protection racket running in each of its homeland states which the NRL doesn't have. Rugby league never dominated NSW and Qld in the way fumble ball rules its states with an iron fist.

The AFL also needs this deal to prop up its failing expansion sides. Pretty much everyone who cares about the Giants are at their games (all 500 of them) and the Suns are propped up by 75% away crowds made up of Victorian expats in the GC.
 
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