2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

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  1. Perth Red

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    Difference is Aleague fcked up massively with allowing that break clause in the contract! You'd hope NRL wasn't that stupid?
     
  2. Phil McGrawhan

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    Seriously ...most likely there is a clause like that .
    You seem to think negotiations are all one way .
    The media company buying the rights ( as mush as they're despised by most) still have a say .
    Still have to protect themselves if no product is produced.
    It's business .
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    My bet is if you heard there was a clause like that with the nrl you'd get half a Chubby .
    Give you new material to run them down .
    Even though you wouldn't know the exact wording of the clause ..it wouldnt stop you ranting.
    Just like you did with the new media deal ..
     
  3. Starkers

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    Masters posed a few weeks back that Kayo could be offered to anyone as a free app. This could then host the GF and 3 Origins for the FTA audience. They would then offer all other coverage at a cost. Good idea.
     
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  4. Perth Red

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    Is streaming covered under the FTA protected coverage law? I doubt its been updated to include it.
     
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    No idea, but compelling concept. If FTA is simply free to anyone who downloads the app, in the digital age it might be good enough?!?
     
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      • doh
     
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    • Well worth having a listen too.


      • 16 JUN 2020
      The Front Office Episode 5

      The Front Office Episode 5


      In this weeks Episode Alby & The NRL Economist discuss Television & Sport. The Facts The Figures, The Future in The Big Issue we talk Subscription TV & they talk to Yvonne Sampson.
    The NRL economist.
     
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    That is an interesting podcast. Gives an insight into the TV deal, without an agenda. They think Vlandys extended with Fox when the league was holding the power. In ep4 they had Roy Masters on and he believed the same thing.

    In one of the other episodes, ep1 I think and how they tell a story about Vince McMahon and how he grew wrestling.

    It was how people were encouraged to write in to save the losing wrestler of a big match. The idea being he would get people's addresses from the envelope, thus creating a data base as such.

    Shows the value of a data base the NRL have of 1.6 million people.
     
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  9. colly

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    Since it got little lay last time- again- When the new deal is inked it will because the NRL sidlined tesltra/foxtel out of exclusionary steaming rights.
    I foresee Nine having the piece of saturday and Sunday pie. In a strange situation foxtel would probably want Nine to Put the Saturday Night game on Stan- As Nine Now ( free) so it would lessen the Kayo offering. So we can have some choice on pay/per Nrl. Keeping this golden egg- streaming rights to all NRL games/rounds will eventually pull in a deal on par if not greater than the AFL/seven deal. Below is the story and selected quotes.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...cure-extension-with-nine-20200602-p54ysm.html

    "The NRL will block Telstra from streaming rugby league matches from 2023 as the governing body attempts to strike a five-year broadcast extension with Nine Entertainment Co.

    The decision has upset Telstra, the naming-rights partner until 2022, but the code argues protecting the streaming rights will mark up its value when it returns to the negotiating table with Nine as early as next month.

    Foxtel, in which Telstra has a 35 per cent stake, currently sells the streaming rights to the telco provider as part of a five-year $100 million deal. But under the NRL's extended Foxtel contract, secured last week, the pay-TV operator is prohibited from on-selling in the 2023-2027 cycle."

    Plain as day- telstra out of streaming- Nine to be offered all streaming.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wa...s-telstra-sabotage-claim-20200818-p55mve.html

    Quotes to say Nine to have Tv FTA ( 3 games only) and Streaming ( all games)

    "However, Telstra was accused on Tuesday of undermining the Warriors and the code by demanding the Kiwi side drop Vodafone as their jersey sponsor, in retaliation to being sidelined from NRL broadcast negotiations in June, which ultimately cost it the streaming rights beyond 2022."
     
  10. Perth Red

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    Havent the streaming rights Already been sold to foxtel via kayo?
     
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    PR. does Kayo show the Ch9 games?
     
  12. Perth Red

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    Yes it does, part of the Fox/Ch9 simulcast deal
     
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    7 trying to get out of cricket deal for NRL?



    Seven Network sets its sights on State of Origin rights
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    State of Origin games are consistently among the five most-watched shows on TV. Picture: Phil Hillyard


    The Seven Network’s stoush with Cricket Australia could have major ramifications for the NRL as the broadcaster prepares to launch a stunning bid to steal State of Origin, and potentially the premiership, from rival the Nine Network.

    Seven has threatened to walk away from their deal with CA, having labelled the organisation a “train wreck” and branded its administration as “stumbling, bumbling” and “incompetent”.

    There are bound to be legal hurdles, but if they were able to tear up their contract, it would free up about $100 million a year.

    That would leave Seven with the financial artillery to make a charge at rugby league’s commercial broadcasting rights, which are up for grabs from 2023.


    While the NRL recently extended their deal with Foxtel until the end of 2027, the Nine Network dug in their heels, leaving the commercial rights vulnerable to a potential bid from the Seven or Ten.

    READ MORE:‘Train wreck’: Cricket faces fire sale|Cricket’s summer of discontent looms
    Sources close to Seven confirmed the network was already sizing up an offer for Origin and that could extend to the premiership, depending on their financial situation in the new year.

    It is understood Seven powerbrokers have also had informal talks with Foxtel over a sharing arrangement that could result in Origin being simulcast from 2023, when the NRL’s deal with the Nine Network is due to expire.

    Seven is already in the process of selling assets to strengthen their bottom line and it is understood they have urged the ARL Commission to wait until the new year to begin talks with commercial broadcasters.

    The commission and the NRL are in no rush. They occupy a position of strength thanks to their deal with Foxtel, the five-year extension alone worth around $1 billion. With that contract in their back pocket, they can take their time and pit the commercial broadcasters against each other.

    Nine are believed to be keen to retain rugby league, but chief executive Hugh Marks is a shrewd operator and will want to pay as little as possible to keep the code.

    Ratings have been sluggish on Nine this year, although that can in part be explained by the form of the Brisbane Broncos.

    The game’s flagship club has been a constant on Nine, a decision that was made during the COVID-19 break when the broadcasters were given more say over the scheduling of matches.

    At the time, the Broncos were unbeaten through two games. When rugby league returned from the COVID-19 break, Nine’s ratings reached record numbers. Since then, they have stagnated largely because of the form of the Broncos, who have lost 13 out of 14 games and suffered a series of shellackings.

    Even so, the NRL is counting on competition between the commercial networks driving up their asking price. Origin’s value is without question and there is genuine hope that this year’s series, which will be played after the grand final, will maintain the historical rage.

    Invariably, the three games are among the five most-watched shows on television every year, which helps explain Seven’s interest in acquiring the rights. Origin has never been sold as a separate entity, so it is hard to put an exact figure on what it is worth.

    However, it has previously been valued at about $100 million per year. Seven could yet look to reduce the financial burden by allowing Foxtel to simulcast the series. Foxtel could potentially also take charge of production and allow Seven to use their hosts, helping reduce the latter’s costs.

    The NRL was at one point being urged to produce games in-house and sell them via their own subscription network, although it is understood the ARL Commission has crunched the numbers and come to the realisation that would be to their financial detriment.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/fc0b0d238e6b4ade3ccdc71fff3969a8
     
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    'However, it has previously been valued at about $100 million per year. '

    What a load of rubbish! That would mean Nine is only paying $85mill a year for the NRL comp! Id be surprised if it is worth more than $30mill a year in reality.

    'the five-year extension alone worth around $1 billion'
    I suspect the 7 year deal is worth around $1bill, Its highly unlikely Fox has agreed to pay MORE for NRL given the shift to lower revenue streaming that is expected over the next 7 years. Only scenario that is likely is if it includes all streaming rights, simucast rights and the Saturday night game. If that is the case we can expect the next FTA deal to be significantly less than the current $185mill Nine are paying and we know we will get less from Telstra as they have lost the streaming rights.
     
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    It's a well worn path to threaten the incumbent with breaking the rights up. If SOO succeeds after the season finishes it might be a good time to keep it on the calendar and then you won't have to worry about integrating it to the NRL season. Conceivably you could have SOO + Internationals as part of a post season package.
     
  17. Perth Red

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    Yeh smacks of seven cage rattling to spook Nine and make them pay more than they want to. Seven cant lose in this one lol.
    AFL is hardly delivering Seven good returns and gets higher FTA audiences so why would they want to sink more money into a major sport with fewer weekly viewers on FTA like NRL?
     
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    Isn't there value in the NRL data base of subscribers?
     
  19. Phil McGrawhan

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    Wow what a surprise .
    Mr Negativity rants again .
     
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    PVL tonight said production costs $50m a season.. explains why NRL never took over streaming on their site
     
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