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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

Colk

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NRL to seek millions in compensation from Foxtel after monster AFL deal

The NRL will seek tens of millions of dollars in compensation from broadcast partner Foxtel after the pay-TV giant struck a mammoth rights deal with the AFL last week.

Some clubs are under the impression the NRL has an ace up its sleeve that will allow them to return to the negotiation table with Foxtel for the seven-year deal it signed in 2020.


As reported by the Herald at the time of the renegotiated television deal, at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, ARLC chairman Peter V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo tried to include a “most-favoured” clause in its five-year extension with Foxtel.

It would have prohibited the pay television provider from striking a better deal with the AFL without compensating the NRL for the difference.

Foxtel rejected the NRL’s request, but the club's are under the impression that the governing body believes there was an understanding between the two parties to revisit the deal if the AFL’s deal gazumped that of rugby league. Foxtel did not respond to requests for comment. The NRL declined to comment.

The deals are difficult to compare. The AFL has an extra game each round. The AFL has also secured exclusive rights to all Saturday games in the first eight rounds, but in exchange will hand the Seven Network exclusive Thursday nights for the first 15 rounds from 2025.

Whether Foxtel believes it is under any obligation to compensate the NRL is unclear. The pay television network paid around $200 million a season for the NRL when it renegotiated its rights deal two years ago.

Combined with the free-to-air deal with Nine Entertainment Co, the publishers of this masthead, New Zealand, international and radio rights, the total deal is approximately $400m per year.

The AFL’s deal with Foxtel and Seven is reportedly worth around $640m a year from 2025-2031. The Foxtel component of the deal is believed to make up about 60 per cent of that figure, or just under $400m.

Over the past week, V’landys and Abdo have been heavily criticised for leaving money on the table when they sat down with Foxtel, leaving some clubs seeing red.

V’landys has assured them there is nothing to fear but won’t divulge the ace up his sleeve. V'landys declined to comment, describing discussions as "confidential".

The Herald has been told that ace is a perceived verbal agreement between the NRL and Foxtel chief executive Patrick Delany that the NRL’s willingness to do a deal at the height of COVID-19 uncertainty wouldn’t be forgotten.

V’landys indicated as much when he highlighted the dire predicament Foxtel found itself in when all of Australia’s sporting codes were forced to shut down two years ago, leaving Fox Sports without content to provide its paying subscribers.

“At the time, Fox needed an asset on its sheet to continue its viability. If we didn’t come into play, there’d be no Foxtel,” V’landys told the Herald last week.


“If Foxtel coughs, all the codes catch a cold. If you haven’t got them in play, the other parties won’t be paying as much as they should because you need competitive tension. When COVID-19 hit, they were the only ones. If they went under, there was no one else available.”

V’landys also recently went to war with the NSW government over a perceived verbal agreement to invest almost $800m into Sydney suburban grounds. But the government later decided to prioritise funding to the towns ripped apart by recent floods, much to the dismay of the ARLC chair.



Another verbal agreement/understanding! Seriously does this bloke not have any paper to write things down
 

Colk

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Also Foxtel rejected the clause and the belief that they have an understanding is not very strong.

Foxtel have signed the contracts so unless this “understanding” was explicitly stated you know in writing then they don’t have a leg to stand on.

Also, the compensation (tens of million dollars) they are trying to obtain is just not good enough. Unless they are throwing an extra zero there then it is not going to matter much
 
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It doesn't look legally like the NRL have a leg to stand on regarding compensation but if Fox feel the need to throw some money our way to placate the NRL then they cannot agree to an extra amount of say $5-10 million per season with any extra conditions attached. If Fox try to attach conditions like extra deal length etc the NRL should dig their heels in and say either thanks but no thanks as we are not interested in jeopardising an extra potential $100 million + a year after 2027 for an extra $5-10 million now.

Considering the size of the AFL deal if Fox do want to alter the conditions substantially to suit them they also then need to reach deep into their pockets as nothing should be given to them for free.

Saying that I believe we are on a hiding to nothing unless V'Landys can manage to pull some new deal out of his arse.
 

Colk

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It doesn't look legally like the NRL have a leg to stand on regarding compensation but if Fox feel the need to throw some money our way to placate the NRL then they cannot agree to an extra amount of say $5-10 million per season with any extra conditions attached. If Fox try to attach conditions like extra deal length etc the NRL should dig their heels in and say either thanks but no thanks as we are not interested in jeopardising an extra potential $100 million + a year after 2027 for an extra $5-10 million now.

Considering the size of the AFL deal if Fox do want to alter the conditions substantially to suit them they also then need to reach deep into their pockets as nothing should be given to them for free.

Saying that I believe we are on a hiding to nothing unless V'Landys can manage to pull some new deal out of his arse.

This has to be the most incompetent negotiations that I have ever heard of.

They try to insert a clause which Fox outright rejects, don’t get the supposed ‘understanding’ in writing, bend over to all of their demands and still signs a long term deal with them. Surely if they weren’t going to even consider such a clause that you insisted then you take the whole deal off the table, you don’t then sign the deal. FMD

Based on his last two negotiations, his negotiation skills are absolutely atrocious and it is absolutely astounding that he has reached any sort of powerful position - although it is only racing I guess
 

Colk

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It doesn't look legally like the NRL have a leg to stand on regarding compensation but if Fox feel the need to throw some money our way to placate the NRL then they cannot agree to an extra amount of say $5-10 million per season with any extra conditions attached. If Fox try to attach conditions like extra deal length etc the NRL should dig their heels in and say either thanks but no thanks as we are not interested in jeopardising an extra potential $100 million + a year after 2027 for an extra $5-10 million now.

Considering the size of the AFL deal if Fox do want to alter the conditions substantially to suit them they also then need to reach deep into their pockets as nothing should be given to them for free.

Saying that I believe we are on a hiding to nothing unless V'Landys can manage to pull some new deal out of his arse.

That’s exactly what Foxtel’s play will be. Knowing lord V’Landys we’ll probably sign it
 

Colk

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PVL and written contracts.

Name a more iconic combo.

Oh wait...

Edit: Didn't PVL kill the NRL's digital division at Newscorp behest? He's been played.

Yes it is the wolf and the lamb all over again. It’s an absolute smackdown and it’s astonishing that somebody in such a position could be so played
 

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It doesn't look legally like the NRL have a leg to stand on regarding compensation but if Fox feel the need to throw some money our way to placate the NRL then they cannot agree to an extra amount of say $5-10 million per season with any extra conditions attached. If Fox try to attach conditions like extra deal length etc the NRL should dig their heels in and say either thanks but no thanks as we are not interested in jeopardising an extra potential $100 million + a year after 2027 for an extra $5-10 million now.

Considering the size of the AFL deal if Fox do want to alter the conditions substantially to suit them they also then need to reach deep into their pockets as nothing should be given to them for free.

Saying that I believe we are on a hiding to nothing unless V'Landys can manage to pull some new deal out of his arse.

News ltd - "ok ok, we''ll give you another 10 million a year and this Binge coupon, but we get Monday night footy and Right of first refusal for the next 25 years"

V'landys - "Deal!"
 

Steel Saints

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He probably thinks it is something to do with gambling

Maybe he needs to strike a rich deal with some betting company so that he could make up the short fall in broadcast revenue. That could be his ace up his sleeve.

Unlikely that would happen, but he is familiar with betting companies as Racing CEO. Otherwise, I struggle to find anything that he can offer the game.
 

Perth Red

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'The Herald has been told that ace is a perceived verbal agreement between the NRL and Foxtel chief executive'

What is with this man and verbal agreements? I know it plays into his narcissist personality type, the whole "I'm too important they wont screw me over' thing but sheesh.
We've lost stadium funding due to his inability to get things signed and now this nonsense! We've gone from the ridiculous to the farcical!

The only hope is he sells them the ninth game to come in before the end of this deal for a Sunday 6pm and can get $50mill plus for it. Its a stretch!
The bad thing is that means they will rush the 18th club in and that can mean only one thing, an established heartland LC side getting promoted up, plus not getting full value for a 18 team comp which will still leave over $100mill cash gap with AFL.
 

Colk

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'The Herald has been told that ace is a perceived verbal agreement between the NRL and Foxtel chief executive'

What is with this man and verbal agreements? I know it plays into his narcissist personality type, the whole "I'm too important they wont screw me over' thing but sheesh.
We've lost stadium funding due to his inability to get things signed and now this nonsense! We've gone from the ridiculous to the farcical!

The only hope is he sells them the ninth game to come in before the end of this deal for a Sunday 6pm and can get $50mill plus for it. Its a stretch!
The bad thing is that means they will rush the 18th club in and that can mean only one thing, an established heartland LC side getting promoted up, plus not getting full value for a 18 team comp which will still leave over $100mill cash gap with AFL.

He has to be sacked and quickly or this mess will get worse
 

Perth Red

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He has to be sacked and quickly or this mess will get worse
Needs either majority vote of directors or can be done by 10 clubs and both state bodies agreeing to removal. Cant see Vlandys ever falling on his own sword. Page 17 of constitution

someone asked about payment to directors. They get paid up to $750k a year by NRL plus special renumeration, but it is not tied to profit or increased revenue. P21

 
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Jetka100

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The upcoming negotiations will be interesting. In some respects, the NRL actually could have Foxtel over the barrel of a gun. I can’t see Foxtel/Kayo working as business model with so much outlaid to AFL, if the NRL decides to go with Nine/Stan or Ten/Paramount or some other service. The loss of subscribers would be staggering. Having said that, NRL would then have to deal with the possible loss of coverage from News Limited papers, but at the end of the day, NRL stories still sell papers in NSW and QLD. We aren’t going to suddenly want to read about the AFL.
 

Colk

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The upcoming negotiations will be interesting. In some respects, the NRL actually could have Foxtel over the barrel of a gun. I can’t see Foxtel/Kayo working as business model with so much outlaid to AFL, if the NRL decides to go with Nine/Stan or Ten/Paramount or some other service. The loss of subscribers would be staggering. Having said that, NRL would then have to deal with the possible loss of coverage from News Limited papers, but at the end of the day, NRL stories still sell papers in NSW and QLD. We aren’t going to suddenly want to read about the AFL.

How would they have them over a barrel precisely? They have already signed the contracts
 
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The upcoming negotiations will be interesting. In some respects, the NRL actually could have Foxtel over the barrel of a gun. I can’t see Foxtel/Kayo working as business model with so much outlaid to AFL, if the NRL decides to go with Nine/Stan or Ten/Paramount or some other service. The loss of subscribers would be staggering. Having said that, NRL would then have to deal with the possible loss of coverage from News Limited papers, but at the end of the day, NRL stories still sell papers in NSW and QLD. We aren’t going to suddenly want to read about the AFL.
if the only thing in nsw & qld in the media is fumbleball

it won;t be read
or clicked on

newscorp would know this ...
 

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