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2023 R8 ANZAC DAY - Sydney 27-26 St Geo Illa @ Allianz

Round 8: Sydney v St Geo Illa

  • Sydney Roosters

    Votes: 8 50.0%
  • St George Illawarra Dragons

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • Draw after Golden Point

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .

Valheru

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My take is that Sam is the martyr of a culture problem. There would be many egos and to the leadership group it's easier to drop the kid instead of non performing senior player. Manu will kill it whatever number is on his back. Personally I reckon Tedesco would make a great 6 (especially if he develops a kicking game) with Manu at 1 and Walker at 7. Walker will probably enjoy the time away from the pressure of 1st grade with the drama surrounding them currently. It won't be long until Keary gets another concussion, then Walker will be back in 1st grade.
I think the few weeks away in reggies will do him the world of good. This is no Kyle Flanagan situation, Kyle has never had what it takes, Sam has already shown he has what it takes winning multiple games for us. He is just down on form and more importantly confidence, he ain't the first 20 year old to require some time in reserves.

Manu hasn't been killing it at number 4, I can tell you that. it is pretty clear now that he needs to be at 6 or 1 or he is a complete waste. His best game for us this season was at number 1 even though it was as part of a well beaten team. I personally think him at 6 and Teddy at 1 is a better balance than the other way around. Manu would be a far better defender in the line which has been an issue with us with both Walker and Keary defending. I agree Teddy is the better ball player but these days the fullback is a 2nd 5/8 in attack anyways . Manu's role will really be to roam with ball in hand and play eyes up footy.

I would also say that the drama surrounding our form at the moment is a bit of an overreaction, we lost away games to Storm and Sharks and the world is falling in apparently. Before that we beat Warriors, Souths and Parra so it's hardly the worst start in history. The competition has also tightened up this season, I mean Storm's losses have come against Bulldogs, titans and Manly.

As for this game, You throw the form and talent line out as it is ANZAC Day, Dragons always show up and play above their level. It will be tighter than many are expecting.
 
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Published this afternoon by the Sydney Morning Herald (source: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-...inst-homophobia-in-sport-20230420-p5d22u.html) -

‘I can’t stand silent’: Why Trent Robinson is stepping up fight against homophobia in sport​

Dan Walsh

By Dan Walsh

April 22, 2023 — 5.39am

“It’s not about them coming out, it’s about them coming in.”

Trent Robinson doesn’t know if he’s coached gay players during a 10-year career as a three-time, title-winning Roosters coach, or in his formative years before that throughout the NRL and Super League. The statistics and law of averages say he has.

Because after Robinson’s own brief playing career, former teammates came out to him once they had stepped away from rugby league.

“When I found out that my former teammates were gay, I often thought back to, ‘What did I say to him that he didn’t feel comfortable to say that to me 10, 15 years ago?’,” Robinson says.

With Ian Roberts still the only openly gay male player in the code’s history, and few other examples in Australian men’s sport, Robinson is careful with his language.

“Because we can’t be waiting for someone from the LGBTQ+ community to walk into our locker room and change the environment,” he says.

“It doesn’t matter if I, or anyone else, has any gay players in their team. It’s about anyone walking into that environment and not having to change who they are. It should be inclusive, so they can walk in and say, ‘Yeah, this is a place for me’.”

In the largest international study of gay athletes and homophobia in sport, surveying more than 9000 gay and straight participants, the perception was overwhelming.

The study showed the athletes felt sport wasn’t welcoming for LGBTQ+ people. Seventy-three per cent of those surveyed under the age of 22 said youth team sport wasn’t safe for gay people.

Eighty per cent said they had witnessed or experienced homophobia in sport.

Almost 40 per cent of gay men and 18 per cent of lesbians polled said they had been bullied in a sporting context.
For all the visibility of “pride rounds” and Mardi Gras floats, simple, everyday language is the basis for what Pride in Sport’s Ben Cork describes as “authentic” buy-in.

Alongside Paralympics icon and leading coach Louise Sauvage, Robinson is the face of the new, free online training program Coach for All, a collaboration between Pride in Sport and Allianz Australia.

The four-part series targets language and behaviour in sport, from the grassroots to the elite echelons, and gives coaches tools and practical examples to challenge homophobia and manage difficult conversations.

Robinson has used the skills to navigate rugby league’s most divisive social issue – creating a more inclusive game, while the creed of some Christian players conflicts with the sexuality of sport’s most marginalised. “I have guys that would have different beliefs in that change room about what they think is accepted in the community that they come from,” Robinson says.

“And at the most basic level, the education is around just simple language – the jokes, the banter, ‘Hey, don’t say it that way or lazily use homophobic language in our environment’.

“It’s OK to have different beliefs but it’s how you express them and your behaviour, that’s what matters.

“Subtle, underlying language can stop us from being inclusive and eventually someone pulls away, they’re not in our sport, they don’t feel welcome.

“We had wider discussions about [an NRL Pride Round] within our team last year, and they were great conversations where [players] expressed their opinion, I expressed my opinion, and it was done in the right way.”

As Pride in Sport’s conduit in the educational interviews with Robinson and Sauvage, Cork strikes a chord when he tells Sauvage: “The sad reality is that even today, most LGBTQI people come into any situation either on guard or assuming they’re not welcome.”

Sauvage highlights the everyday influence a coach has when she says: “Your athletes listen to everything you say. And everything you don’t say. They listen to that, too.”

The Coach for All program offers everyday sporting examples – from how to handle a passing “that’s gay” remark from a 10-year-old, to arguments over transgender participation – and strategies for each situation.
Coaching, by definition, is about improving an athlete.

Asked why Roberts remains rugby league’s only openly gay player, Robinson points to the grassroots and coaching skills he hopes will eventually change that.

“It’s really simple. As a society, and as a snapshot of society in our sport, it has a stigma,” he says.

“It hasn’t been as inclusive as it should be. We’re working towards changes and we’re trying to make incremental improvements to that ... the difficult thing that I’ve found with Pride in Sport is I want to create an inclusive environment as a coach. But how do I do it? What tools do I have?

“That’s the point of the program, trying to improve sport as being inclusive and improving the way that we coach.”

Robinson’s development as a coach has seen him follow the lead of NBA coaches Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich in recent years. Both have been outspoken about social issues, especially gun violence and racism.

To many, Robinson is increasingly viewed as rugby league’s moral compass. It grates with some. But Robinson makes no apologies for what he believes is a responsibility; to speak out when he feels passionately – be it on issues of race, homophobia, player welfare or progressing the women’s game.

“It’s always a hard thing because people are going to have different opinions to you,” he says. “And in the end, you’re here to just coach a sporting team. People don’t always like it when you have opinions outside of the sport ... But I can’t stand silent when I see something as important as equality and acceptance for everybody.

“I’ve got it right and wrong over the years but you go back to how you express your beliefs, and it’s really key to stand up for your beliefs and pass that ability on to your players, too.

“It can sometimes feel uncomfortable to pop your head up outside, but you have to. You can’t stand silent.”

The Coach for All program is free and available for download here.
 

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What's prompted Robbo's sudden declaration on his fight against homophobia?
Teddy finally come out? Maybe Crichton is bisexual as well as bipolar? Funny that it happens the same week that Walker goes to reggies. Maybe a distraction to take the focus off the players? Grandstanding because of a bigger ANZAC round audience?
So over politics/racism/religion/sexuality being a thing in sport.
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For anyone that gives a shit I'm a middle anglo pagan bi.
 

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What's prompted Robbo's sudden declaration on his fight against homophobia?
Teddy finally come out? Maybe Crichton is bisexual as well as bipolar? Funny that it happens the same week that Walker goes to reggies. Maybe a distraction to take the focus off the players? Grandstanding because of a bigger ANZAC round audience?
So over politics/racism/religion/sexuality being a thing in sport.
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For anyone that gives a shit I'm a middle anglo pagan bi.


I am bisexual too

If i want sex i have to buy it
 
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What's prompted Robbo's sudden declaration on his fight against homophobia?
Teddy finally come out? Maybe Crichton is bisexual as well as bipolar? Funny that it happens the same week that Walker goes to reggies. Maybe a distraction to take the focus off the players? Grandstanding because of a bigger ANZAC round audience?
So over politics/racism/religion/sexuality being a thing in sport.
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For anyone that gives a shit I'm a middle anglo pagan bi.

Ikr, just play, love everyone, let people exist.
 

GongPanther

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Why do you drop a player to NSW Cup? It is to give them a break and get their confidence back which is exactly what Sam needs. Dropping Keary there serves no purpose, he will ultimately be the one that makes way though for a long term Manu/Walker combination.

A glaring issue at the moment is the lack of ball Manu gets. He walks in to any other team not named Manly at fullback and 80% of the teams at 5/8. He is a complete waste in the centres at this stage. Walker will get his chance in the halves again this season due to origin/injuries etc.

At 20 years of age, Sam may just have to be content with a bench spot for this season when we are at full strength, a role which he was very good at in 2021. The long term 7 is still his though, I doubt Keary is re-signed beyond next season.
The only logical solution I can come up with is when a team is unexpectedly below par for a fair amount of time, it's usually the coach who firstly comes under the spotlight.

But with Easts, you ant smudging Robbo in public, and none of the senior players are going to cop any flack. So it seems like this lad Walker is the fall guy.

I haven't seen anything of him that hasn't been worse than the players around him.

But be that as it may, I'll stick to my Easts to win by 36-14, with the Dragons making a good fist of it in the first half with Easts running away with it late on in the second half.
 

King hit

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What's prompted Robbo's sudden declaration on his fight against homophobia?
Teddy finally come out? Maybe Crichton is bisexual as well as bipolar? Funny that it happens the same week that Walker goes to reggies. Maybe a distraction to take the focus off the players? Grandstanding because of a bigger ANZAC round audience?
So over politics/racism/religion/sexuality being a thing in sport.
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For anyone that gives a shit I'm a middle anglo pagan bi.
The more I keep hearing about this stuff the more skeptical I am of how many people really care or they are just doing it for social clout. As long as it’s between consenting ADULTS i don‘t care what anyone does.
 
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The more I keep hearing about this stuff the more skeptical I am of how many people really care or they are just doing it for social clout. As long as it’s between consenting ADULTS i don‘t care what anyone does.

Yep. Agreed. Butt stuff, Granny stuff, Inter-racial, Whatevz…
 

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The more I keep hearing about this stuff the more skeptical I am of how many people really care or they are just doing it for social clout. As long as it’s between consenting ADULTS i don‘t care what anyone does.
Same here. Surely as a society we are all inclusive and have some emotional intelligence about diversity of race, religion, sexuality etc, but I guess this is footy players we are talking about.
I'm sure there are many others in the rugby league community with a similar moral standing as Robbo, but we don't hear about it in the media. It's a good thing he's came out but I just found the timing of it strange being the week leading into ANZAC Day.
 

King hit

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Same here. Surely as a society we are all inclusive and have some emotional intelligence about diversity of race, religion, sexuality etc, but I guess this is footy players we are talking about.
I'm sure there are many others in the rugby league community with a similar moral standing as Robbo, but we don't hear about it in the media. It's a good thing he's came out but I just found the timing of it strange being the week leading into ANZAC Day.
Probably just being coerced into it. There was a time not long ago when nobody cared what sportspeople and entertainers said as no one asked for it but now far to many are loudly shouting their view and 90% of the time it’s the same view. The more they preach the easier it is to smell the bullshit.

Robbo was making controversy about referees so maybe politis or someone is telling him to be morally virtuous to deflect and keep the public profile looking as moral as possible
 

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