2024 Crowd Watch

[Iamback]

It isn't hard no.
I like that the nrl states how many people were there for each game, but it is ultimately meaningless.

The fact is there are 150k people in attendance across the 3 days and 8 games. Which is how it should count in the end of season totals, total attendance (i.e tickets sold) divided by the 8 games.

Claiming 400k people attended is just laughable and disingenuous. It is not how the nrl or media presents it either.

But again. People watch multiple games.

Take Sunday. If Warriors v Panthers gets 35k watching.

that same 35k stays for the next game + 10k

45k is still the attendance for that 2nd game and so on for the 3rd game

Why should the 55k be divided by 3?

When the attendance would be:

35k +
45k +
55k
=

135k.

 

[Vlad59]

But again. People watch multiple games.

Take Sunday. If Warriors v Panthers gets 35k watching.

that same 35k stays for the next game + 10k

45k is still the attendance for that 2nd game and so on for the 3rd game

Why should the 55k be divided by 3?

When the attendance would be:

35k +
45k +
55k
=

135k.

It’s not even complicated. You buy a ticket for two games. You attend both games. You should be counted for both.
It’s exactly what the flog ballers did by the way for their version of it.

 

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

This seems like a pretty niche discussion. Doesn't really matter how you count a crowd, so long as it's consistent year on year. And it's safe to safe Magic Round has gone from strength to strength in Brisbane, making it one of the city's annual showcase events. Happy to see Brisbane sign on to host again for the next few years.

 

[Bukowski]

This seems like a pretty niche discussion. Doesn't really matter how you count a crowd, so long as it's consistent year on year. And it's safe to safe Magic Round has gone from strength to strength in Brisbane, making it one of the city's annual showcase events. Happy to see Brisbane sign on to host again for the next few years.

I think they'd be crazy to move it. Moving the Auckland 9s was a mistake that killed it off.

 

[shewi6]

But again. People watch multiple games.

Take Sunday. If Warriors v Panthers gets 35k watching.

that same 35k stays for the next game + 10k

45k is still the attendance for that 2nd game and so on for the 3rd game

Why should the 55k be divided by 3?

When the attendance would be:

35k +
45k +
55k
=

135k.

Because average means per game...

It really is pretty simple. I have no problem with them saying how many people were in the stadium at the time of each game but to claim there were 135k people in the stadium that day because 3 games happened in that time frame is using statistics to lie imo.

35k of those 45k people watching the second game are not new attendees.

The most logical way to tally it for end of season numbers is total attendees (150k) divided by number of games.

That is how the nrl claims it and it is the correct way.

 

[docbrown]

There's a game in Stadium A at 5:00pm and one across the road at Stadium B at 8:00pm.
You buy a ticket to both.
You go to both games.
You get counted in the attendance twice - once at Stadium A and once at Stadium B. No one would have a problem with that.

Yet somehow if you make it the same stadium for both games people are arguing that you somehow shouldn't get counted the same way.

It makes no sense.

If you've paid for multiple games and you're taking that seat away from another potential paying customer who could have sat there, you should get counted once, twice or three times - depending on how many games you paid for.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Its better to exclude it all together tbh as it has no real relevance to a clubs home crowd avg, similar with regional games that draw sub 10k's.

For the purpose of individual club averages I agree. For a regional game the fans are showing up to watch footy, not because team x is coming to down. Had Saturdays match been a Knights home game the crowd would have been similar. Alternatively had it been the Dragons vs Rabbitohs game that was played at that venue in that slot the crowd would again have been comparable.

For this weekend the draw is Magic Round more so than an individual team. You might pick your day based on when you’re team is playing, but the overwhelming majority of people showing up are showing up for the event not a particular team or match.

 

[aarondoyle]

Crowd Watch Sydney: NRL v AFL

''It's inevitable that the Sydney Swans will be the biggest sporting club in Australia'' - Andrew Pridham (Sydney Swans Chairman)

''We really believe the Giants can become one of the biggest sporting clubs in Australia'' - Gillon McLachlan (former AFL CEO)

Top 10 Sydney Crowds of 2024:

1. NRL: Dragons v Roosters at SFS – 40,727
2. AFL: Swans v GWS at SCG – 40,337
3. AFL: Swans v Melbourne at SCG - 40,012
4. NRL: Roosters v Souths at SFS - 37,594
5. AFL: Swans v Gold Coast at SCG – 35,649
6. NRL: Souths v Bulldogs at Homebush - 35,275
7. AFL: Swans v Essendon at SCG – 34.954
8. NRL: Parramatta v Canterbury at WSS – 29,171
9. NRL: Parramatta v Wests Tigers at WSS – 28,608
10. NRL: Roosters v Penrith at SFS – 25,898

Averages (Matches Played in Sydney only):

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*GWS have still only played two games in Sydney this year

Urgh, I'm disappointed that Swans crowds are still so bloody high. I had really hoped they would've been in trouble by now.

 

[Vlad59]

There's a game in Stadium A at 5:00pm and one across the road at Stadium B at 8:00pm.
You buy a ticket to both.
You go to both games.
You get counted in the attendance twice - once at Stadium A and once at Stadium B. No one would have a problem with that.

Yet somehow if you make it the same stadium for both games people are arguing that you somehow shouldn't get counted the same way.

It makes no sense.

If you've paid for multiple games and you're taking that seat away from another potential paying customer who could have sat there, you should get counted once, twice or three times - depending on how many games you paid for.

I’ve decide to walk away from this discussion and punch myself in the face for ever engaging in it. You hold a game. People attend. You count the attendees? Apparently not. Ffs. There are 8 bloody games like every other bloody week and people choose to pay and attend them. So bloody count them.

 

[shewi6]

Y

There's a game in Stadium A at 5:00pm and one across the road at Stadium B at 8:00pm.
You buy a ticket to both.
You go to both games.
You get counted in the attendance twice - once at Stadium A and once at Stadium B. No one would have a problem with that.

Yet somehow if you make it the same stadium for both games people are arguing that you somehow shouldn't get counted the same way.

It makes no sense.

If you've paid for multiple games and you're taking that seat away from another potential paying customer who could have sat there, you should get counted once, twice or three times - depending on how many games you paid for.

Yes because that is two seperate events, how is that hard to understand. Go on to ticketek right now and try to buy a ticket to one game of magic round, you can't.

Magic round is an outlier, something completely different and as such it is harder to get an accurate picture when extrapolated out to a full season if you try to claim 400k people attended it. That would boost nrl crowds by 10%!

Same situation as if there is an nrlw or nsw cup game in the same stadium as the nrl match.
You bought a ticket that gets you entry to all games but do we claim that since there was 10k people in the ground at the end of nsw cup and 20k people to watch nrl, do we say 30k were at the game?

Of course not, magic round should be seperated and highlighted as its own event in the official statistics and each individual game of the event can have a listed attendance, not against that.

But it is not right to claim an attendance of 400k for the weekend when only 150k actual people were there.

 

[APPSY]

Y

Yes because that is two seperate events, how is that hard to understand. Go on to ticketek right now and try to buy a ticket to one game of magic round, you can't.

Magic round is an outlier, something completely different and as such it is harder to get an accurate picture when extrapolated out to a full season if you try to claim 400k people attended it. That would boost nrl crowds by 10%!

Same situation as if there is an nrlw or nsw cup game in the same stadium as the nrl match.
You bought a ticket that gets you entry to all games but do we claim that since there was 10k people in the ground at the end of nsw cup and 20k people to watch nrl, do we say 30k were at the game?

Of course not, magic round should be seperated and highlighted as its own event in the official statistics and each individual game of the event can have a listed attendance, not against that.

But it is not right to claim an attendance of 400k for the weekend when only 150k actual people were there.

With the NRLW and NSW cup thing, of course we don't say it like that. How we do it though, is let's say there's 4,000+ in the stadium to watch the NRLW. That's the NRLW Crowd. Then let's say an extra 15,000+ rock up before kick-off for the NRL game, and those 4,000+ stay, the NRL crowd itself would be 19,000.

So if we apply that logic, Let's say 40,000 watch Bulldogs Vs Raiders on Friday. Then another 11,000 rock up to watch the Manly Broncos game, meaning a 51,000-person crowd. So, the separate crowds for the two friday games would be 40,000 and 51,000 respectively. While the day total would be 51,000, the two games each drew unique crowd figures.

Let's say on Saturday, Titans vs Knights have 30,000 to watch it. Then Sharks vs Roosters has 45,000. Then Cows vs Bunnies get 50,000 (I don't think these will be the true numbers btw, just all hypothetical). Again, EACH game gets a UNIQUE crowd to it, while day 2 itself would be classed as 50,000.

I also think it's wrong to not include these as home totals. How come when the AFL has their Gather Round, it is not classed as an event, but individual home games for each team? While they do play at seperate stadiums, is it not a similar event that also had double headers that had their attendances split (i.e game 1 drew x amount game 2 drew x amount)?

And who is to say that everyone who has a ticket to magic round actually bought tickets to all 3 days? People on Friday MAY not be there Saturday but will be there Sunday due to buying Friday and Sunday passes.

If we don't consider these to be true 'home' fixtures, then I do not believe any of the Easter fixtures should be either due to being for an 'event'. Same with ANZAC. But we do class them as home games and not events. So Magic round should be too. As should the Las Vegas double header. 2,000 more people rocked up for the second game, yet is only being treated as a single attendance for 2 games, which was not the case.

And the reason I bring up Easter, ANZAC, etc. is because these are outliers with attendance that, if played at a different point in the season, would not draw the same UNLESS both teams were in form. Roosters host Dragons at Allianz again later this year but is highly unlikely to match the same attendance as ANZAC Day. Why? Because ANZAC Day is an EVENT for the NRL. But we count is as apart of the attendance. If we're going to get technical, let's get technical with every aspect of the attendances.

 

[sportsnut]

Crowd Watch QLD Battlegrounds: NRL v AFL

''We’ll be the biggest sport in that market in 5-10 years across most metrics. It is changing. Queensland is pumping and becoming an AFL state and the Gold Coast has done their bit'' - Gillon McLachlan (former AFL CEO)

Top 10 Brisbane Crowds of 2024:

1. NRL: Broncos v Dolphins at Suncorp – 46,224
2. NRL: Broncos v Cowboys at Suncorp - 45,793
3. NRL: Broncos v Roosters at Suncorp – 40,190
4. NRL: Broncos v Canberra at Suncorp – 37,286
5. NRL: Broncos v Souths at Suncorp - 35,507
6. AFL: Lions v Collingwood at Gabba - 34,022
7. AFL: Lions v Carlton at Gabba – 33,367
8. NRL: Dolphins v Cowboys at Suncorp – 32,477
9. AFL: Lions v Geelong at Gabba – 30,429
10. AFL: Lions v Gold Cost Suns at Gabba – 30,285

Averages (matches played in Brisbane only):
Broncos: 41,000
Lions: 32,026
Dolphins (Suncorp): 21,655
Dolphins: 19,326

Top 5 Gold Coast Crowds of 2024:

1. AFL: Suns v Richmond – 22,086
2. NRL: Titans v Dragons – 14,537
3. AFL: Suns v Hawthorn – 13,900
4. NRL: Titans v Dolphins – 13,898
5. NRL: Titans v Manly – 13,336

Averages
Gold Coast Suns: 14,723
Gold Coast Titans: 13,398

capacity at Gabba is like 37K

 

[shewi6]

With the NRLW and NSW cup thing, of course we don't say it like that. How we do it though, is let's say there's 4,000+ in the stadium to watch the NRLW. That's the NRLW Crowd. Then let's say an extra 15,000+ rock up before kick-off for the NRL game, and those 4,000+ stay, the NRL crowd itself would be 19,000.

So if we apply that logic, Let's say 40,000 watch Bulldogs Vs Raiders on Friday. Then another 11,000 rock up to watch the Manly Broncos game, meaning a 51,000-person crowd. So, the separate crowds for the two friday games would be 40,000 and 51,000 respectively. While the day total would be 51,000, the two games each drew unique crowd figures.

Let's say on Saturday, Titans vs Knights have 30,000 to watch it. Then Sharks vs Roosters has 45,000. Then Cows vs Bunnies get 50,000 (I don't think these will be the true numbers btw, just all hypothetical). Again, EACH game gets a UNIQUE crowd to it, while day 2 itself would be classed as 50,000.

I also think it's wrong to not include these as home totals. How come when the AFL has their Gather Round, it is not classed as an event, but individual home games for each team? While they do play at seperate stadiums, is it not a similar event that also had double headers that had their attendances split (i.e game 1 drew x amount game 2 drew x amount)?

And who is to say that everyone who has a ticket to magic round actually bought tickets to all 3 days? People on Friday MAY not be there Saturday but will be there Sunday due to buying Friday and Sunday passes.

If we don't consider these to be true 'home' fixtures, then I do not believe any of the Easter fixtures should be either due to being for an 'event'. Same with ANZAC. But we do class them as home games and not events. So Magic round should be too. As should the Las Vegas double header. 2,000 more people rocked up for the second game, yet is only being treated as a single attendance for 2 games, which was not the case.

And the reason I bring up Easter, ANZAC, etc. is because these are outliers with attendance that, if played at a different point in the season, would not draw the same UNLESS both teams were in form. Roosters host Dragons at Allianz again later this year but is highly unlikely to match the same attendance as ANZAC Day. Why? Because ANZAC Day is an EVENT for the NRL. But we count is as apart of the attendance. If we're going to get technical, let's get technical with every aspect of the attendances.

The easter and anzac 'event' games are only now events that draw more than the return fixture because the clubs have built it up over the years and yeah who would have thought playing a game on a public holiday would draw a bigger crowd? Crazy. It was never an nrl event and hence the reason the clubs alternate hosting rights (bar the storm) so it evens itself out.

Clubs could easily make the return fixtures big games as well like in the afl where they still get big crowds for non 'event' games, it just takes effort from the clubs.

As for their gather round, it is a seperate extra round and if they count it towards the 'home' teams attendance than that is stupid as well.

The nrl buys a home game from clubs to stage a magic round so it shouldn't count for the clubs either. Magic round should just be it's own thing because it just muddies the waters of what an actual home crowd average is. Put it as a caveat and give two averages.

As for the attendances at each game, I know how it works and I like that each game acknowledges how many were there at the time, but you can't add them all together and say there was 130k attendees on the day, it is disengenous.

Magic round is an event over 3 days and 8 games, you can buy tickets to 3 seperate event days for a maximum of 50k tickets a day. The maximum amount of tickets available is 150k and to get an average for the season you divide by 8 games. I'm not saying there was only 16.666k people at each game of magic round.

Also people who say you are paying for 3 games, have you actually looked at the day pass prices? As far as I can tell the categories are priced the same as a single broncos home game. They certainly are not 2 or 3 times the price.

 

[shewi6]

With the NRLW and NSW cup thing, of course we don't say it like that. How we do it though, is let's say there's 4,000+ in the stadium to watch the NRLW. That's the NRLW Crowd. Then let's say an extra 15,000+ rock up before kick-off for the NRL game, and those 4,000+ stay, the NRL crowd itself would be 19,000.

The point about the other matches played before the nrl game is that if it was counted as some people want magic round counted, then the nrl crowd in your example would be 23k (4k +19k).

The nrlw, but mainly the nsw cup, is just played at the same ground as it is convenient and lowers costs. People aren't necessarily buying an nrl ticket to watch them, it is just a bonus. Yes 4k people may turn up early to see it, but as a seperate game on a seperate ticket will it get the same? Probably not.

 

[Vlad59]

The point about the other matches played before the nrl game is that if it was counted as some people want magic round counted, then the nrl crowd in your example would be 23k (4k +19k).

The nrlw, but mainly the nsw cup, is just played at the same ground as it is convenient and lowers costs. People aren't necessarily buying an nrl ticket to watch them, it is just a bonus. Yes 4k people may turn up early to see it, but as a seperate game on a seperate ticket will it get the same? Probably not.

Move on

 

[shewi6]

Move on

Get over yourself, it's a discussion forum

 

[Brian potter]

Move on

Not very well liked are we mate.

 

[Brian potter]

Get over yourself, it's a discussion forum

only he decides what can and cannot be discussed.

didn’t you know that?

 

[Iamback]

only he decides what can and cannot be discussed.

didn’t you know that?

Several different posters have tried to explain it but just goes in circles

 

[titoelcolombiano]

capacity at Gabba is like 37K

Point being?