2024 Crowd Watch

[Jamberoo]

We will never get close to them in crowds - but we don't need to. Their crowds are incredible on a global scale, mainly due to their cult like support in Melbourne. I can't see them ever cracking a 40K average though.

Having said that, if we get expansion right I expect we will surpass them in most other metrics over the next 10 years.

Besides streaming/TV numbers, what are the other metrics?
Participation?
Broadcast deal?
Social media engagement?
Club membership?
Total revenue?
The NRL has a lot of work to do for those last four.

 

[The_Wookie]

This is correct. A few here just can’t do maths I’m afraid.

 

[Vlad59]

Besides streaming/TV numbers, what are the other metrics?
Participation?
Broadcast deal?
Social media engagement?
Club membership?
Total revenue?
The NRL has a lot of work to do for those last four.

Social media engagement? Not so sure on that one.

 

[Pjf04b]

Calculate by ground capacity percentage and RL would be in front.

 

[Vlad59]

Calculate by ground capacity percentage and RL would be in front.

Let’s not

 

[Wb1234]

Calculate by ground capacity percentage and RL would be in front.

Nah turns out the fumblers do well there too

Besides streaming/TV numbers, what are the other metrics?
Participation?
Broadcast deal?
Social media engagement?
Club membership?
Total revenue?
The NRL has a lot of work to do for those last four.

Ratings nrl already wins by 30 percent more viewers. With nz2 and png it will probably be double

Tv deal nrl could beat the afl tv deal with the next deal

Social media … nrl is already a long way in front

Total revenue … afl has received billions more in revenue over 20 years for little impact and the gap is closing. Nrl has been increasing non broadcast revenue and is probably the leader in Australia for doing this (who copied the nrl magic round ?)

Participation with png and nz juniors will be nrl

 

[The_Wookie]

Ratings nrl already wins by 30 percent more viewers.

only on aggregated average viewers. And thats not now, nor has it ever been, the entire story.. But we've been here before.

With nz2 and png it will probably be double

And no one will ever know the truth of it.

Tv deal nrl could beat the afl tv deal with the next deal

Well the deal starts three years after the AFl one does, it pretty much should beat the AFLs between the late start, expansion, inflation and christ knows what else. But the fact is currently, and for the last 25 years, the AFL has beaten the NRL comfortably in this area.

Social media … nrl is already a long way in front

tis be true

Total revenue … afl has received billions more in revenue over 20 years

Just say it. The AFl has received a tonne more revenue dude.

for little impact and the gap is closing. Nrl has been increasing non broadcast revenue and is probably the leader in Australia for doing this (who copied the nrl magic round ?)

Probably not the leader in non broadcast revenue, whatever gains the NRL have made. But the NRL makes it hard to distinguish anything.

Things that work tend to get replicated elsewhere

Participation with png and nz juniors will be nrl

yeah but participation data is rubbish im told.

 

[i0Nic]

Besides streaming/TV numbers, what are the other metrics?
Participation?
Broadcast deal?
Social media engagement?
Club membership?
Total revenue?
The NRL has a lot of work to do for those last four.

The next TV deal will bring it very close together.

NRL has higher social media following and engagement.

Club membership is a questionable metric with how different clubs measure this. It’s not as big of a focus in the NRL also.

Total revenue is getting closer as well.

Crowds is definitely one measure that AFL will always be far ahead.

 

[Wb1234]

only on aggregated average viewers. And thats not now, nor has it ever been, the entire story.. But we've been here before.



And no one will ever know the truth of it.



Well the deal starts three years after the AFl one does, it pretty much should beat the AFLs between the late start, expansion, inflation and christ knows what else. But the fact is currently, and for the last 25 years, the AFL has beaten the NRL comfortably in this area.



tis be true



Just say it. The AFl has received a tonne more revenue dude.



Probably not the leader in non broadcast revenue, whatever gains the NRL have made. But the NRL makes it hard to distinguish anything.

Things that work tend to get replicated elsewhere



yeah but participation data is rubbish im told.

No I mean actual juniors not make believe numbers like Auskick

I mean if we want to use Auskick type numbers then png will have over five million participants

The benefits of the nrl International expansion (nz2 png Vegas pacific cup Fiji Tonga Samoa) will be shown in the decades that follow. The game isn’t just focusing on Australia and Adelaide aside that’s the only big one missing

And I did say afl has been a revenue leader. Even that the nrl will surpass after one stage having half the revenue afl gets

Take property income that’s gone from zero to over ten million pa. And will end up over 100 million pa

The nrl will become less reliant on broadcast income

Nrl also wins on average ratings as well as aggregate. League has way more fans on tv than afl does and always has

 

[Wb1234]

The next TV deal will bring it very close together.

NRL has higher social media following and engagement.

Club membership is a questionable metric with how different clubs measure this. It’s not as big of a focus in the NRL also.

Total revenue is getting closer as well.

Crowds is definitely one measure that AFL will always be far ahead.

If afl had to move games away from only time slots that maximise crowds like Friday 6 pm and Saturday and Sun 6 pm there crowd average would tank

 

[Vlad59]

No I mean actual juniors not make believe numbers like Auskick

I mean if we want to use Auskick type numbers then png will have over five million participants

The benefits of the nrl International expansion (nz2 png Vegas pacific cup Fiji Tonga Samoa) will be shown in the decades that follow. The game isn’t just focusing on Australia and Adelaide aside that’s the only big one missing

And I did say afl has been a revenue leader. Even that the nrl will surpass after one stage having half the revenue afl gets

Take property income that’s gone from zero to over ten million pa. And will end up over 100 million pa

The nrl will become less reliant on broadcast income

Nrl also wins on average ratings as well as aggregate. League has way more fans on tv than afl does and always has

5 million? Another figure plucked out of your ass. It must be a huge ass because you pluck a lot of crap out of it.

 

[Vlad59]

If afl had to move games away from only time slots that maximise crowds like Friday 6 pm and Saturday and Sun 6 pm there crowd average would tank

No it wouldn’t. But just keep making stuff up.

 

[Vlad59]

Keep away from drugs kiddies.

 

[Trifili13]

If afl had to move games away from only time slots that maximise crowds like Friday 6 pm and Saturday and Sun 6 pm there crowd average would tank

So you want them to not maximise their crowds and play when tv tells them to?

 

[Trifili13]

5 million? Another figure plucked out of your ass. It must be a huge ass because you pluck a lot of crap out of it.

5mill is about right. PNG has a population of about 12 to 13m, every person aged under 30 plays rugby league, both male and female, even the elderly play league. Hang on, something doesn't add up.

Probably also means tv viewer numbers will be down as whole country will be playing league when the PNG club side is playing unless there is no clash in start times.

 

[Perth Red]

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Jamberoo]

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If only NRL stadiums were smaller, NRL could have won this.

 

[Jamberoo]

So you want them to not maximise their crowds and play when tv tells them to?

I am amazed that the AFL has resisted spreading out the games so that don’t overlap. It would boost their ratings.

With expansion to 18 teams imminent, what is the likely 9th timeslot? Will it be crowd friendly or TV friendly?

 

[NRLMad]

Which code has a larger upside is the main question - and I think it’s quite clear to anyone that the NRL is a sleeping giant. Could you say that about the AFL?

From any perspective the NRL has been badly managed, are now well managed & are lapping it up. clubs have been so poor, and continue to be badly managed.

The AFL can’t really do much to change what they do. They have largely topped out. It just is not a big sport in Sydney or Brisbane. They sell AFL well but they’ve been way ahead with everything before now. Money has allowed them to expand (poorly).

GWS have averaged 12k last year. They’ve been in business for 12-13 years. For the last 8 years they have been reasonably good, they obviously need to win a premiership, to take it further. The AFL is spending everything and hoping that it does that. Gold Coast pretty much is the same - 12-15k average. They’ve only got to 12th but been between 12-18.

In comparison, the largest bases in Sydney have been atrocious during our biggest growth period.
Tigers, dogs, dragons, souths, eels. Last 4 years has been attrocious. Despite that the game has been selling out home games. This did not happen previously.

The games are largely exciting and contested & regular upsets occurs - other than finals.

Once the NRL reaches potential the possibilities open up, comparison will only be about crowds. We are never going to be going for a 40k average as we don’t have stadiums that do that.

Ratings will continue to swing the NRLs way & then money decides who wins. NRL will move to app based revenue after 7 stops bankrolling it, and afl just won’t be able to keep up.

Just my thoughts..