2024 TV and Streaming Ratings Discussion

[Wb1234]

asset sits on the AFLs accounts with a book value of 136m.

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ROI is determined by return on the AFLS investment - the initial 286m, not theoretical value if sold. The AFL is getting about 8-10% ROI, which is well within an acceptable "good" ROI.

Yesterday you were saying it was worth up to 1.1 billion

Now you are using a much lower figure to justify an awful roi

lol

 

[The_Wookie]

Return is awful

And given the collapse in the Victorian economy and also in site values it would be lucky to be worth 500 millon now

Average land value in the Melbourne CBD was $51,233 a sq m in 2022.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yesterday you were saying it was worth up to 1.1 billion

Now you are using a much lower figure to justify an awful roi

lol

You completely misunderstood what ROI actually is then.

It was valued in 2016 at 1.1 billion - if it was sold off. Sale value and book value are not the same thing. and ROI is based literally on "return on investment" - which in the AFLs case was the 286m they paid,

 

[The_Wookie]

In ten years time it will be lucky to go back to value

Dictator Dan nuked the Victorian economy

Investors are fleeing to other states

lol

That very much apparently depends who you read.

 

[Frank Burge]

asset sits on the AFLs accounts with a book value of 136m.

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ROI is determined by return on the AFLS investment - the initial 286m, not theoretical value if sold. The AFL is getting about 8-10% ROI, which is well within an acceptable "good" ROI.

If that land was sold is it only for certain use ie. stadium or public asset or can they build units on it ? 1.3b valuation is massive for the land if it is the former

 

[Wb1234]

That very much apparently depends who you read.

There was a recent sale of a grade offices In Melb cbd sold for 30 percent below peak values

 

[Wb1234]

You completely misunderstood what ROI actually is then.

It was valued in 2016 at 1.1 billion - if it was sold off. Sale value and book value are not the same thing. and ROI is based literally on "return on investment" - which in the AFLs case was the 286m they paid,

Opportunity cost

 

[The_Wookie]

If that land was sold is it only for certain use ie. stadium or public asset or can they build units on it ? 1.3b valuation is massive for the land if it is the former

They can demolish it and build whatever as long as it meets regulatory approvals. the surrounding area is zoned commercial - you could build a lot of commercial propery on 20,000 sqm.

One of the stated advantages is the existence of the 2,500 space underground car park. Apparently they are quite expensive to build.

 

[The_Wookie]

There was a recent sale of a grade offices In Melb cbd sold for 30 percent below peak values

selling office space is not the same thing as land value. And the AFL has a tonne of land.

 

[The_Wookie]

Opportunity cost

has nothing to do with ROI

 

[Jacko11]

So you are an anti semitic troll mate? Well played!

Try not to make this thread political petal.

I’m anti semitic too

 

[Wb1234]

has nothing to do with ROI

Yes it does

Sell the ground and invest In high earning assets

 

[Wb1234]

selling office space is not the same thing as land value. And the AFL has a tonne of land.

Land values for unit sites have collapsed around Australia in general due to a huge increase in construction costs

Victoria has the added problem of property taxes rising heavily to cover covid debts

Development sites around Melbourne are being fire sold

 

[The_Wookie]

Yes it does

Sell the ground and invest In high earning assets

You can make up whatever definition you like, but thats not what ROI is here. The AFL invested 286m, and is getting an 8-10% return in recent years, thats good by pretty much anyones definition.

The land value talk is just nonsense to cover up you being wrong here.

 

[Perth Red]

You can make up whatever definition you like, but thats not what ROI is here. The AFL invested 286m, and is getting an 8-10% return in recent years, thats good by pretty much anyones definition.

The land value talk is just nonsense to cover up you being wrong here.

Give it up, he thinks buying something for $286mill that is worth $1bill 8 years later and returns $25mill ayear profit is a bad thing. He’s clueless.

 

[Wb1234]

You can make up whatever definition you like, but thats not what ROI is here. The AFL invested 286m, and is getting an 8-10% return in recent years, thats good by pretty much anyones definition.

The land value talk is just nonsense to cover up you being wrong here.

They could’ve sold it and put the money in an asset that makes ten percent vs two percent

And now all their equity is tied into an asset whose value is falling

lol

 

[The_Wookie]

They could’ve sold it and put the money in an asset that makes ten percent vs two percent

And now all their equity is tied into an asset whose value is falling

lol

According to you. Who doesnt apparently know anything about land value in the Melbourne CBD.

 

[Wb1234]

According to you. Who doesnt apparently know anything about land value in the Melbourne CBD.

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[Canard]

Melbourne Property Market Outlook 2024

While Melbourne's property market is experiencing a flat patch, the long-term fundamentals are strong. This creates a window of opportunity for property investors.

propertyupdate.com.au

Melbourne is the only Australian capital to see a drop in house prices. What’s going on?

The Victorian city seems to be on a different trajectory to others – what might that mean for housing affordability?

www.theguardian.com

Melbourne is ‘dead’, says property mogul

Nigel Satterley, Australia’s biggest private residential land developer, dismissed fears the good times are over for Perth’s property market.

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That's Greenfield property. Not prime land in Australia's biggest Capital City CBD.

Owning a stadium should be an aspiration for the NRL. Saying land on Caxton St is more valuable than the Melbourne CBD certainly is a take

 

[The_Wookie]

Melbourne Property Market Outlook 2024

While Melbourne's property market is experiencing a flat patch, the long-term fundamentals are strong. This creates a window of opportunity for property investors.

propertyupdate.com.au

Melbourne is the only Australian capital to see a drop in house prices. What’s going on?

The Victorian city seems to be on a different trajectory to others – what might that mean for housing affordability?

www.theguardian.com

Melbourne is ‘dead’, says property mogul

Nigel Satterley, Australia’s biggest private residential land developer, dismissed fears the good times are over for Perth’s property market.

www.afr.com

Melbourne taxes loom as the biggest headache for Melbourne property - Property Investment Professionals of Australia - PIPA

The Victorian capital, set to become the biggest city in Australia, should be thriving but it comes last in terms of price improvements and things could be about to get a lot worse.

www.pipa.asn.au

Property investors are fleeing Victoria over soaring land taxes

Just 30.6 per cent of all housing loans were taken out by investors as first home buyers return, but experts warn it will make rental properties even harder to find and more expensive.

www.theage.com.au

Youve literally just done what i said you were doing, Stop waffling on about housing and residential real estate,

And it still has nothing to do with ROI on the AFLs investment.