2nd Test: Australia v West Indies at Melbourne on Dec 26-30, 2015

[typicalfan]

Well his 5 test 50s, 8 FC 50's and 3 ODI 50s begs to differ that he knows more about batting well when bowling well than Taylor knows about batting well when bowling well.

But Tubs does have 1 test wicket, and one more in FC cricket.

Its not whinging.



No complaints form me. I'm just calling Tubs and Brayshaw stupid. How could you even ascertain a "whinge"?

We are talking about allrounders, guys who can go out and score 100s, not a bowler who could hit a few from time to time.

Taylor wasn't an allrounder but he captained allrounders so he had to work out how to get the best out of them and captained against them too.

 

[ANTiLAG]

We are talking about allrounders, guys who can go out and score 100s, not a bowler who could hit a few from time to time.

Taylor wasn't an allrounder but he captained allrounders so he had to work out how to get the best out of them and captained against them too.

Huh?

With all due respect, they were talking about Mitch Marsh, who may well have levers, but he does not have a single test 100.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Possibly, but I reckon it has happened in the past a bit as well, just that we don't know about it, cause the front foot wasn't checked, Shanes Warnes 99 aside.

Katich in shorts, the hair is out

In recent years there seems to have been an increased amount of wickets called back because of no balls (or maybe that's just my perception of it).

If the umpires have gotten a bit lazy then it's probably to the detriment of the bowler in the long run. If the bowler gets called for a legit no ball a few overs early he makes an adjustment and probably doesn't go over for that wicket ball.

7 no balls for Australia and 3 of them just happen to be wickets. I find that a little unlikely. Would be surprised if that wasn't similar for a lot of sides around the world.

Having said that I don't find no balls a big deal in regards to the outcome of the bat vs ball contest so the way things are now are certainly more preferable to checking for no balls excessively. At the end of the day it is the bowlers responsibility no matter which way you look at it.

 

[typicalfan]

Huh?

With all due respect, they were talking about Mitch Marsh, who does not have a single test 100.

They were saying his bowling is more further developed than his batting despite batting at 6 and bowling only a little. Which is the whole point behind them talking about improving batting in the first place. They were talking about moving him down the order to take pressure off his batting.

 

[ANTiLAG]

In recent years there seems to have been an increased amount of wickets called back because of no balls (or maybe that's just my perception of it).

If the umpires have gotten a bit lazy then it's probably to the detriment of the bowler in the long run. If the bowler gets called for a legit no ball a few overs early he makes an adjustment and probably doesn't go over for that wicket ball.

7 no balls for Australia and 3 of them just happen to be wickets. I find that a little unlikely. Would be surprised if that wasn't similar for a lot of sides around the world.

Having said that I don't find no balls a big deal in regards to the outcome of the bat vs ball contest so the way things are now are certainly more preferable to checking for no balls excessively. At the end of the day it is the bowlers responsibility no matter which way you look at it.

You reckon? Extras can add up to assist batting sides.

 

[typicalfan]

In recent years there seems to have been an increased amount of wickets called back because of no balls (or maybe that's just my perception of it).

If the umpires have gotten a bit lazy then it's probably to the detriment of the bowler in the long run. If the bowler gets called for a legit no ball a few overs early he makes an adjustment and probably doesn't go over for that wicket ball.

7 no balls for Australia and 3 of them just happen to be wickets. I find that a little unlikely. Would be surprised if that wasn't similar for a lot of sides around the world.

Having said that I don't find no balls a big deal in regards to the outcome of the bat vs ball contest so the way things are now are certainly more preferable to checking for no balls excessively. At the end of the day it is the bowlers responsibility no matter which way you look at it.

I am a little of this school of thought too. There appears to be a perception that as long as we pick up the wicket taking balls or the real obvious one then that's all that matters. It does create a bit of a problem for the bowler.

 

[ANTiLAG]

I am a little of this school of thought too. There appears to be a perception that as long as we pick up the wicket taking balls or the real obvious one then that's all that matters. It does create a bit of a problem for the bowler.

God you whinge.

Just have the bowlers stop bowling no balls.

Umpires are told to get the benefit of the doubt of no balls to the bowler. That is to the benefit of the bowler - less runs conceded and can push the delivery crease to further decrease the batsman's reaction time should they wish to. Get each and every single mm in their favour.

Its only wicket balls that the extra scrutiny of the cameras is brought in. An umpire can call for that on runs outs, stumpings and even catches - so should the case be for any wicket delivery with regard the no ball.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

They need a quality no ball Marshall who sits to the side on a stool at the bowling crease and waves a red flag when there's a no ball.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

You reckon? Extras can add up to assist batting sides.

I doubt the amount of runs missed by no balls would equate to a missed wicket from not catching the bowler earlier and giving him a chance to adjust before it happens on a wicket ball - only if you subscribe to that theory of course.

 

[ANTiLAG]

They need a quality no ball Marshall who sits to the side on a stool at the bowling crease and waves a red flag when there's a no ball.

Haha. At both ends and on both sides?

They could have the camera crews and 4rd umpire look over every single ball, but imagine the game delays on tight decisions on a next to meaningless no nall.

 

[Hutty1986]

Lyon aside, pretty ordinary from our bowlers. From 6/80 odd and then to allow them to get nearly 300. Three no balls off what should have been wicket taking deliveries from two different bowlers is beyond unacceptable. Now lacking penetration in the second dig. NZ wont be so forgiving on our basic errors over there, nor Sri Lanka, Pakistan and definitely not SA!
Edit-Siddle actually got a wicket!

 

[typicalfan]

I thought Siddle was bowling slower balls.

 

[typicalfan]

Siddle gets him with the googly.

 

[tomdl]

That'll guarantee Shittle a spot in the test team for at least the next two series

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Haha. At both ends and on both sides?

They could have the camera crews and 4rd umpire look over every single ball, but imagine the game delays on tight decisions on a next to meaningless no nall.

Maybe a hutch in the ground at each end - like the helmet hutch - and a 4th.umpire stands down in it - like like a gopher - eyes poking over the rim, the turf as a hat.

Ball is bowled, they make a call, and bob down, turf hat down and not interfere with.play.

 

[ANTiLAG]

I doubt the amount of runs missed by no balls would equate to a missed wicket from not catching the bowler earlier and giving him a chance to adjust before it happens on a wicket ball - only if you subscribe to that theory of course.

Yeah its a tough one, because batting averages include a batsmans luck and missed chances by the fielding team. A bowlers bowing average also includes his missed wickets. So what is a no ball wicket worth on average? Unless they keep the records, who knows? And how many no balls are being missed presently?

A lot of variables.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Maybe a hutch in the ground at each end - like the helmet hutch - and a 4th.umpire stands down in it - like like a gopher - eyes poking over the rim, the turf as a hat.

Ball is bowled, they make a call, and bob down, turf hat down and not interfere with.play.

What about laser guided robots? That scream a no ball siren and flash the sight screen or better yet, umpires hat, when the foot is not behind the line, instantaneously?

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Use fencing touch technology and have the bowlers feet and crease wired, so like that board game Operation, a red light flashes and a buzzer whirrs.

And no balls worth 5 runs.

 

[typicalfan]

Front foot first!

 

[JJ]

Phil Neville continues to impress, these Victorians add quality eh