3RD ASHES TEST: England v Australia at Manchester Aug 1-5, 2013

[Twizzle]

Lyon wicketless is a problem, gonna need him to fire in the second innings

Looking at the weather forecast I think the only way we can win is to force the follow on.

 

[Meapro Ham]

Our bowlers have been great this series. They have really given us every chance, all it would have taken is a couple of decent scores from the batsmen in the first couple of tests and we'd still be right in it.

Does give plenty of hope for the summer series if the batsmen can get it together.

 

[BunniesMan]

If they avoid the follow on they might only end up needing to survive for 4 sessions or so. Do not like our chances unless Lyon can do something he has consistently failed to do and this is also the basic requirement of a test teams main spinner. To bring us home on a day 5 wicket.

 

[Meapro Ham]

Looks like Monday could be a washout. Probably our only hope is to get the follow on and try to bowl them out tonight.

 

[undertaker]

Lyon wicketless is a problem, gonna need him to fire in the second innings

Looking at the weather forecast I think the only way we can win is to force the follow on.

Weather forecast not looking good

http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-UKXX0092:1:UK

Today: 50% chance of rain
Tomorrow: 90% chance of rain
Monday: 90% chance of rain

If we do get a 200+ run lead, we will definitely have to enforce the follow-on.

 

[undertaker]

Updated weather forecast:

http://uk.weather.com/weather/today-UKXX0092:1:UK

Today: Cloudy, 19 degrees (80% chance of rain)
Tomorrow: Cloudy, 17 degrees (80% chance of rain)

Very crucial to get those Bell and Pietersen wickets in the last session. Gotta get these last 3 wickets ASAP.

 

[undertaker]

Our bowlers have been great this series. They have really given us every chance, all it would have taken is a couple of decent scores from the batsmen in the first couple of tests and we'd still be right in it.

Does give plenty of hope for the summer series if the batsmen can get it together.

100% agree with you, especially in the 1st test. Like the 1st test in the 2009 Ashes series at Cardiff, that near miss in the 1st test at Trent Bridge may turn out to be enough for England to retain the Ashes.

Much to the chagrin of others, I still stand by my original comments I mentioned in another thread: if we sort out our batting line-up after this series is over, we are a real chance of winning the Ashes this summer at home. Australia are definitely not going to be the push-over they were 3 years ago when we lost three tests by an innings.

Looks like Monday could be a washout. Probably our only hope is to get the follow on and try to bowl them out tonight.

This. England will be desperate to get these next 34 runs. With the cloudy weather setting in, the ball will definitely move around in the air a lot more. I can see our fast bowlers being lethal if we get conditions that the likes of James Anderson have thrived on in England.

It seemed too good to be true. After perfect weather in the first two tests, it looks like the the typical English weather is going to set in at the worst possible time. It'd be heartbreakin if we fall agonisingly short in this test (a la Cardiff 2009 style) because of the weather

Doubt we will enforce the follow on if we get it, which is unlikely

Clarke will set them an achievable total , though doubt England will really go for a win

We've got absolutely no choice. If we don't enforce the follow on if we get the opportunity, we are simply not going to have enough time to score a quick-fire 100-150 or so in the 2nd innings (which will chew up at least a session, minimum) and then bowl England out. We are going to need as many overs as possible to bowl them out.

It's now or never. England avoid the follow-on and they are almost certainly guaranteed a draw which will be enough to retain the Ashes.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Just because it's an 80% chance of rain doesn't mean it will rain all day though.


Hopefully its stop/start , that would really help us.


Man , that decision not to review pietersen was a killer.

 

[herbert henry1908]

We've got absolutely no choice. If we don't enforce the follow on if we get the opportunity, we are simply not going to have enough time to score a quick-fire 100-150 or so in the 2nd innings (which will chew up at least a session, minimum) and then bowl England out. We are going to need as many overs as possible to bowl them out.

It's now or never. England avoid the follow-on and they are almost certainly guaranteed a draw which will be enough to retain the Ashes.

I don't see us enforcing the follow on.

All because of our fragile batting . Batting last against swan could be a recipe for disaster.


And I disagree on time as well. Sure there's the weather , but you can't guarantee what's going to happen there.


Get them out within the hour.

Then we have 2 1/2 hours to pile on the runs.

England have 4 and a bit sessions to survive.

 

[Xfactor1979]

I've never been to Manchester. But whats the weather like over there compared to London?

And I would have a blast in a place like Manchester too. The madchester dance scene, music, all that. The counterpoint to Manchester is manchunians argue that place is hollow and soulless and a pale imitation of London?

 

[TheParraboy]

We've got absolutely no choice. If we don't enforce the follow on if we get the opportunity, we are simply not going to have enough time to score a quick-fire 100-150 or so in the 2nd innings (which will chew up at least a session, minimum) and then bowl England out. We are going to need as many overs as possible to bowl them out.

It's now or never. England avoid the follow-on and they are almost certainly guaranteed a draw which will be enough to retain the Ashes.

We need to give our pace bowlers a breather, especially on this deck where you got to bend your back. They are the only ones who can win this. Starc and Harris are renowned for breaking down any time. Get them to put their feet up for 2-3 hours (inc the lunch break). Plus we need to give England a sniff of victory as well

for arguments sake

England all out we have 200 run lead after 1 hours play today
We get all out for 150 just before tea

Poms need 351 to win with over 4 sessions left (weather pending). Our bowlers can rip in tonight and tomorrow morning. If poms are good enough they can win it too, sets up for a great test match. After all this is what we want to show up the t20 fly by nighters

I can dream

 

[BDR]

Realistically though we will need to make them follow on. If time is lost through rain you'd want to have the game in your hands, either by taking X wickets for Y runs, or chasing any lead England might put up as quickly as possible.

Don't think we've ever enforced the follow-on in recent memory.

 

[hineyrulz]

Tough choice for Clarke does he force the follow and go for broke??? or does he give the bowlers a little breather and have them batting last on a wearing pitch?? If he goes for broke he just may break Harris for good. The weather may just make his choice for him.

 

[Horrie Is God]

Ever since India came back from the dead to beat Tugger's team, we've been extremely reluctant to enforce the follow on..

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I think England will knock off the 30 odd runs anyway, Swann and Anderson to come both are handy with the willow.

In this circumstance I wouldn't enforce because its not like we've carved through the batting lineup. Australia bat for a very short time, set England something chaseable and let the bowlers go at them. A draw means nothing to us, we have to win and even if that means risking a loss than so be it.

 

[Timbo]

I'd enforce it. It's the attacking play and we need go 100% if we're even a remote chance.

I think they'll knock off the runs though.

 

[Horrie Is God]

We've already bowled 120 overs..

I'd have a quick bat to give the bowlers a rest..

 

[simmo1]

Definitely enforce it. Bowlers can rest between spells.

 

[TheParraboy]

Definitely enforce it. Bowlers can rest between spells.

yeah same thing as having an ice bath and a massage and putting the feet up for 2-3 hours I guess :roll:

 

[Big Sam]

There's an interactive map on the BBC weather site and it looks like only the Tea session will cop the heaviest rain. Monday's almost a washout.