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3RD ASHES TEST: England v Australia at Manchester Aug 1-5, 2013

AlwaysGreen

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Ridiculous rules.

I'm going to rate the English commentators.

Botham: Good insight into the game but an arrogant wanker.
Gower: Not a fan. Comes across as one of these upper class English prats who feels the need to show his intellectual and moral superiority to everyone.
Lloyd: The best of them, best accent ever and knows what he's talking about.
Atherton: Boring batsman, boring commentator.
Hussain: shit.
Strauss: not too bad. Good insight, needs to be a bit more critical of things.

Warnie: Has the vocabulary of a door knob and just basically repeats the same shit over and over.
Holding: Cool as Fonzie's cucumber.

In conclusion Lloyd and Holding are fine. Warnie and Strauss are ok. These four are better than the likes of slats, heals, nichof**kinglas and Gayshaw. The others are crap.
 
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Surely we'll declare now.

Pity we likely won't get a shot at them tonight.


The really bad news is , even if the rain holds off tomorrow the umpires have now declared their hand with the light.

So if it reaches the same reading at any point tomorrow they'll be off again.
 

AlwaysGreen

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WTF? All of a sudden the fielding captain decides whether to go off or not. Of course Cook wasn't going to put the spinners on.
 

Timbo

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Ridiculous rules.

I'm going to rate the English commentators.

Botham: Good insight into the game but an arrogant wanker.
Gower: Not a fan. Comes across as one of these upper class English prats who feels the need to show his intellectual and moral superiority to everyone.
Lloyd: The best of them, best accent ever and knows what he's talking about.
Atherton: Boring batsman, boring commentator.
Hussain: shit.
Strauss: not too bad. Good insight, needs to be a bit more critical of things.

Warnie: Has the vocabulary of a door knob and just basically repeats the same shit over and over.
Holding: Cool as Fonzie's cucumber.

In conclusion Lloyd and Holding are fine. Warnie and Strauss are ok. These four are better than the likes of slats, heals, nichof**kinglas and Gayshaw. The others are crap.

:lol:

Reminds me of one of the 12th man albums.

Richie is trying to decide who to take into the box with him, Bill, Tony and the Chappell brothers are all arguing it should be one of them. Michael cuts them off with.

'Richie, take me with you man, the Aussies love me man. I sound so cool'.

I am always in stiches at that line.
 

Jason Maher

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Under the old rule, we would have had to keep batting, as the English batsmen would have taken the light first ball. Same net result: we have to bowl them out in a day.
 

Timbo

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Just talking to a friend of mine in Manchester on Skype, the weather is absolutely foul and she said they were forecasting constant rain all day tomorrow.

So long any chance we had.
 

hineyrulz

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Who'd live in that shithole of a place.

Just read through this thread some funny stuff besides the geniusation of BM and the shithouse trolling of Leedswanker.
 

BDR

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Wonder if they still think they'll win 5-0 :sarcasm:

Reminds me of the Brisbane test last year. Finally get in a great position to win, but don't get the chance due to the f**king weather. Cursed team atm.
 

Danish

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Under the old rule, we would have had to keep batting, as the English batsmen would have taken the light first ball. Same net result: we have to bowl them out in a day.


You mean a half day, as you know the umps will be giving the light around 2pm (assuming the weather holds off, of course)
 

Horrie Is God

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/watson-must-adapt-in-the-new-australian-era-20130805-2r84d.html

Watson must adapt in the new Australian era..

Date August 5, 2013 - 8:45AM Malcolm Knox

Whatever has been said about Shane Watson as a Test match batsman, there has never been any doubting his quality as a one-day player. So when, in Australia's second innings at Old Trafford, a quasi one-day situation required a signature Watson innings, his demotion in the order signalled that something significant was taking place.

That Watson's replacement as opener was David Warner added to the impression of a political shift. All official protestations aside, Warner and Watson are rivals and antagonists. In each off-field drama this year, the pair have been involved, in the red and blue corners. Warner's brother's offensive tweet about Watson was patently a case of, if you want to know what a player thinks of you, ask his family. Eventually the question has to be asked whether the Australian team is a big enough place for both players.

Since Joe Root's chin lurched across the Birmingham Walkabout Bar in search of Warner's hand, Watson has had his way. He opened the batting, as he had requested. In team leadership, he could take as much or as little responsibility as he saw fit. On the field, he took the fight up to the English.

Meanwhile, Warner was sent off, like the wayward son, to the African colonies.

Watson had his chance. The beginning of this series was laid out for him, to see if giving him his head would bring a smile to his face. At Trent Bridge and Lord's, he had the best of the batting conditions but could not capitalise. Instead, his only grins have been the rueful kind. When Stuart Broad brought down hell and damnation in Nottingham, and when Kevin Pietersen held off the Australian charge in Manchester, Watson's face cracked and a grin came out, as if only gallows humour could make him happy.

No person can help the way they look, and Watson's lugubriousness – what Mike Leigh called in his film Secrets and Lies a 'face like a slapped arse' – may infer nothing about the spirit and personality within. But this is an Australian team making an effort, possibly too demonstrative to be believed, but an effort nonetheless, to be cheerful. They slap bums like a tom-tom band and gather to shake hands at the end of each day. They are trying to celebrate each other's success. If there were an Ashes of determined conviviality, they would be 3-0 up. By contrast, England have been going through the motions, a team that has been together a long time, their veterans riding out the last of their success, supplementing their skills with the auxiliary tools of time-wasting and gamesmanship. As it was for Australia in the mid-2000s, it is a classic hunter-versus-hunted situation. Australia have taken some years to get over their inherited super-confidence, but it is a sure thing that they have shed it and are fighting to improve.

Watson stands apart from this. When the boys gather for a pep talk, he's the last one to come out of the bathroom. When they celebrate a wicket, he's off fetching the ball for the umpires. Most of what is being said in those meetings may well be empty slogans, but a team player in this environment would at least pretend to be buying it. If Watson is enjoying himself on this tour, he's hiding it well. Warner's brother was categorically wrong in one respect: Watson is no pretender.

His misfortune was perhaps to come into the Australian team when the baggy green conferred magical powers. Arrogance was required. Matthew Hayden and Ricky Ponting so dominated the pitch that they were practically hitting the ball out of bowlers' hands. This encouraged a front-foot technique and a policy of intimidation. What affected Watson were two changes. One was that the great players retired, giving him responsibilities beyond his abilities. The tide went out, leaving just the bluster. The other was DRS, which meant that batsmen could no longer get away with the front-foot stomp. Was Watson's failure to convert starts into big scores a weakness that was mental, or technical?

Perhaps there was a deep question of self-belief, where an essentially nice bloke wasn't quite at home in his stage persona. Perhaps also, when he was hitting so much off the front foot, dismissal was only a matter of time, and his superb hand-eye co-ordination could only keep him out of trouble for so long.

The best thing about Watson on this tour has been his bowling. One wicket for 114 in the first five innings of the series is a figure that does no justice to the impact he has had. His economy rate, of 1.93, says more. Not only that, but he has given crucial relief to the specialist seamers. A year ago, his batting could command a place in the team while his bowling was an optional extra. Now, he is hanging on by his hamstrings. He seemed to know that when he holed out to third man on Sunday. He had done an adequate job, moving the scoreboard along for half an hour, not thinking about his front pad but about where he had to place the ball. He was back in one-day mode. So when he got out, his disappointment was so visible it suggested many different causes.

Already in this series, a bigger picture is emerging. This is only part one.

Watson has some work to do if he is to feature in part two.
 

TheParraboy

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Ridiculous rules.

I'm going to rate the English commentators.

Botham: Good insight into the game but an arrogant wanker.
Gower: Not a fan. Comes across as one of these upper class English prats who feels the need to show his intellectual and moral superiority to everyone.
Lloyd: The best of them, best accent ever and knows what he's talking about.
Atherton: Boring batsman, boring commentator.
Hussain: shit.
Strauss: not too bad. Good insight, needs to be a bit more critical of things.

Warnie: Has the vocabulary of a door knob and just basically repeats the same shit over and over.
Holding: Cool as Fonzie's cucumber.

In conclusion Lloyd and Holding are fine. Warnie and Strauss are ok. These four are better than the likes of slats, heals, nichof**kinglas and Gayshaw. The others are crap.

David "bumble" Lloyd is the best out of the poms by far. Agree likes of Atherton, Hussain Gower are all boring sods

Holding lost me a bit in this test, kept on and on and on and on how no matter what type of wicket you bowl on, always something in it for fast bowlers even concrete decks. It was like he was waiting for someone to say "well Michael these days none of them are as good as you were"

I don't mind Healy, but absolutely despise Warnes commentary, total utter garbage in his execution and vocabulary
 

undertaker

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:lol:

Reminds me of one of the 12th man albums.

Richie is trying to decide who to take into the box with him, Bill, Tony and the Chappell brothers are all arguing it should be one of them. Michael cuts them off with.

'Richie, take me with you man, the Aussies love me man. I sound so cool'.

I am always in stiches at that line.

Just for you Timbo:

The line is from "Still the 12th man":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG5CcgyNqo

Another funny part: what Richie says about Greg Chappell's commentary at 9:42-9:55 . Everytime I watch highlights of the closing stages of that famous 1993 Adelaide test where we lost by 1 run to the West Indies, I can't help but laugh so hard at the Greg's commentary when I think of that 12th man line:lol: Such a close game and yet no matter how hard he tried to sound interested in his commentary, his voice just came off as being very disinterested. Thank goodness he left Ch9 in '97.
 

TheParraboy

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We have to declare overnight. I think we will start early today as well, so if (a big if) should get well over 100 overs in

Poms wont be going for the win, they will be happy to just defend for a draw, so we can go all out attack. I think Smith and Clarke could cause havoc on this 5th day deck

Be a shame if rain intervened
 

Twizzle

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there may not be another ball bowled looking at the weather forecast

if there is any play, there will not be enough time for the poms to chase down the runs so may as well declare
 

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