3rd ODI: New Zealand v England at Auckland Feb 23, 2013

[vvvrulz]

An economy of 5 and a half is actually not bad given the amount of death bowling he does.
Not a great player by any means but does enough. No one else is competing for his spot.

Rutherford should get more chances agreed, but not now.
Need to go back to domestic cricket, don't want to see him in the test team.

Don't know what Ellis is doing to get selected, nothing player.

 

[IanG]

What a shame. Bloody Poms

 

[IanG]

Fair dinkum wicket hey. Wasn't sure how much Aussie slang is also used by the people over there.

 

[vvvrulz]

Nothing wrong with the wicket, just a good ol pasting here.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

NZ batting tactics are so horrible it's embarrassing. Same as in South Africa.

What's the point of conserving wickets and going at 2 runs an over for the first 10 if we're just going to consistently lose 2 wickets during that period anyway?

Franklin is horrible, but his presence is certainly made to look worse by the presence of Ellis and N McCullum as part of the "can bowl a little bat a little, but not good enough at either" squad.

An Astle type player is what we miss. Someone who is a genuine bat but can roll his arm over, keep it tight, and chip in occasionally. Maybe Munro will get to that point eventually, but not at the moment.

 

[Rod]

An Astle type player is what we miss. Someone who is a genuine bat but can roll his arm over, keep it tight, and chip in occasionally

Ryder.

I know it's flogging a dead horse a bit, but today was the perfect example of why we miss him so badly. There's no way he would let the England bowlers tie him down like that. Even on an off day you'd back him to crack a few boundaries before getting out and Williamson/Taylor would be able to come in at 40/2 or 50/2 after 10 instead of 20/2 and those extra runs in the first 10 make all the difference in the world.

Anyway I couldn't agree more with the consensus on here that our tactics in the first 10 are diabolical. It just puts way to much pressure on our middle order, they're basically expected to put on a decent ODI score in 40 overs instead of 50, it's crazy.

 

[Iafeta]

I think its a bit worse than that actually Rod. They're putting pretty much all their eggs in the Brendan McCullum basket. They're so driven to make use of the batting power play that to me it becomes like a 15 over batting effort, the other 35 overs has no effective tactics at all.

I'd like to see Ronchi and Ryder at the top. Ronchi and Ryder would take that bowling on - McCullum showed it, hook, pull, charge, drop the ball and run, do anything to change their momentum, and the England bowlers will lose their line and length. We just wanted to play check drives to fielders and backfoot defensive strokes with no intent on putting the acid on the field to tick the strike over. Given Rutherford was essentially doing it too, I can only imagine it was a disgraceful strategy from Mike Hesson.

If you have Ronchi and Ryder at the top, Williamson and Taylor have a base in terms of strike rate to bat off, rather than come in with the run rate around 1.5-2 an over, meaning you can get that extra 70-80 runs in an innings without just relying on McCullum sustaining a bezerk attack.

 

[vvvrulz]

Guptill
Ryder
Williamson
Taylor
Elliott
McCullum
Franklin
N.McCullum
Mills
Southee
McClenaghan

That side is strong enough to compete with most.
Rutherford needs time, Watling/Nicol are backup options, Ellis should be nowhere near this team.