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4 Nations 2009 Australia vs New Zealand

Pistol

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Forum 7s - 4 NATIONS - 2009
AUSTRALIA KANGAROOS V NEW ZEALAND KIWIS
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Non Terminator(c)----LeagueNut (c)

Game Thread:
* Please note - This is a game thread only, therefore only game posts can be made here (Teams, Articles).
* Any other posts may result in loss of points and is at the discretion of the referee
* Only original articles, not used in previous games, will be marked by referees.​

Naming Teams (F7s 4 Nations conditions):
* 3v3 (+ 2 reserves for each team)
* No 'TBA' or changing players named
* Captains must stick with original teams named​

FULL TIME (F7s 4 Nations conditions): Sunday 8 November 2009 at 9pm (Syd time)

REFEREE: antonius
Topic: If The Heroes of Yesteryear were playing today

Venue: ANZ Stadium

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The Australians arrive, preparing to take on the mighty Kiwis in one of those memorable matches. Good luck one, good luck all.

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Starting:
Non Terminator (c) Roosters
Azkatro (vc) Panthers
Miccle Rabbitohs
Bench:
Griffo346
Cougars
DragonPunk Dragons
 

LeagueNut

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The Kiwis enter the arena...

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Team:
Jesbass
rayroxon
madunit

Bench:
LeagueNut (c)
Dragon_psa
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Ringa pakia
Uma tiraha
Turi whatia
Hope whai ake
Waewae takahia kia kino

Ka mate, ka mate
Ka ora' Ka ora'
Ka mate, ka mate
Ka ora Ka ora
Tēnei te tangata pūhuruhuru
Nāna i tiki mai whakawhiti te rā
Upane... Upane
Upane Kaupane
Whiti te rā
Hī!
 

madunit

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madunit for the Kiwi's

Oh, How Times Have Changed
Comparisons between players of the past with those currently playing the game have been an oft discussed topic.

But ultimately it is near impossible to know certifiably just how good players would have performed under the current rules, against different opposition and the tactics of the modern game. Player weight variances would be of the greatest difference. In the dominant French touring sides of the 1950’s and 1960’s, they were widely regarded as having one of the most dominant and powerful forward packs in World Rugby League at that time.

However, every single one of those tough French forwards was lighter and shorter than Israel Folau.

This fact alone causes the most conjecture as to how greats of the past would compete today, especially forwards. The other major aspect is that today’s players are full time professionals, whereas the players of the past had full time work outside of Rugby League.

Yet there is one aspect of this topic which has barely, if at all, ever been touched, which shows the differences between players of the past and the modern player.

The impact the media has on the game.

And the greatest example of all comes from one of the greatest players to ever play the game. He won 8 premierships, played over 20 games for his state and 39 tests for Australia, captained his state and country, a coach at club level, a test selector and went on to become one of the first four immortals of the game.

That man is Johnny Raper.

There is a well-known legend surrounding Raper while on the 1967-68 tour of Great Britain and France. He was later dubbed “The man in the bowler hat” after his actions.
January 8, 1968, it was gleefully reported in English Newspapers that the Australian rugby league team had left “a trail of damage” at their hotel. Added to this was the revelation that one footballer paraded through the streets of Ilkley wearing nothing but a tie and a bowler hat.

It was assumed very quickly that the man in the bowler hat was Johnny Raper. At the time and for many years to follow, Raper never admitted, nor denied the rumour. Instead he milked it for all it’s worth, much to the chagrin of the public and fans alike.

He appeared in television commercials, at public functions and ceremonies wearing a bowler hat (as well as being fully clothed) for many years after the incident.

No one ever admitted or revealed who the actual player was for nearly 20 years. It wasn’t until Johnny Raper was standing for a position on the Australian selection panel in the late 1980’s, that the truth was revealed. Raper thought it would prevent him from becoming a selector, so he revealed that the man in the bowler hat was actually Dennis Manteit.

The whole saga was one of much frivolity and was regarded as a very amusing anecdote which fast became rugby league folklore.

But if a high profile player today were to do the same thing, would it receive the same light-hearted response from the media and public?

Of course not.

Would it be funny if the games leading player joked about it, mocking the situation at public functions and was involved in advertising commercials making light of the
controversy?

Definitely not!

If Johnny Raper and Dennis Manteit were playing today and repeated this incident, they’d be stood down, fined and most likely suspended.

There’d be no folklore or jokes.

Raper would most likely never have been allowed to become a national selector and his opportunity to become an immortal may have been rescinded. Columnists and social commentators alike would be harping on the incident for months on end, forcing these men to retreat to their homes. They’d be made out to be animals, outraged fans would treat them accordingly and media personnel from other football codes would be prancing around and publicly gloating “well at least our players don’t expose themselves to the world and trash hotels,” even though they more than likely do.

While I believe Raper, the player, would have been just as dynamic and brilliant on the field in today’s game as he was back in his own playing days, off the field he would be tagged as one of league’s bad guys, his reputation over that one jovial incident would tarnish his career forever.

As for Manteit, he’d be discarded quicker than a bowel movement.

And treated just the same.

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Non Terminator for Australia.
749 words under the jersey.
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Would They Stay Or Would They Go

The introduction of the salary cap for Rugby League has always had its pros and cons. It's seen us through controversies, such as the Bulldogs 2002 drama. It will be certain that with a salary cap in our sport, the seventeen match winning streak achieved by this side will be the last we'll ever see again.

The introduction of the cap in the early part of the nineties didn't affect things too much, but with the major domination of the Broncos (winning four premierships in the decade) the rules were tightened, showing a major structural change that has previously never been seen before.

So, look at what has happened. In the last decade we've seen:

- Eight different premiership winning clubs
- Seven different Minor Premiership winners
- Six different Wooden Spoon winners
- Four sides (Roosters, Knights, Panthers, Bulldogs) win a Premiership and a Wooden Spoon.
- All sixteen clubs making a finals appearance

Only the Broncos, with their perfect finals record remained truly dominant throughout the course of the decade (with two premierships to add to that). The Roosters and Storm both made four Grand Finals, but also suffered some average seasons, spending some time on the wrong end of the competition.

So, I guess this sounds all good, right?

Every fan right now has a chance of saying "my team could win the 2010 premiership".

It isn't all about odds anymore. The odds were displayed as how teams did in the previous season. Well and truly, it is now a one in sixteen chance. An even competition. It sounds perfect doesn't it?

Unlike the Premier League in England, every team has a shot. The "Rich Clubs" don't come into the equation.

There have however been some major issues with the salary cap. Every year the fans cry to raise it, with a handful of players (mostly with representative experience) moving to a different NRL club, moving to English rugby league or hell, even moving to a completely different sport.

Any player could come off a contract, and no single fan could be certain that they would re-sign, even if it was the greatest player in the world. We've seen great clubmen been forced out of their clubs during the decade. Did we ever see this coming, and so quickly?

Put it this way. Take yourself back to 2006, not that long ago really. A man from the future walks up to you and says;

"By the end of this decade Petero Civinoceva would be preparing to captain the Penrith Panthers for another campaign, Craig Fitzgibbon was preparing to go to the Hull FC club to finish his career, and Steve Menzies was preparing to farewell rugby league with the Bradford Bulls."

See how much has happened in the last few years, and it isn't even close to being the tip of the iceberg. All three of those player movements occured because the beloved club they were with were unable to afford them under the salary cap.

If we took the introduction of the salary cap rules (the tightened version of course) back to the beginning of the league, when it was referred to as the "New South Wales Rugby League", we could have lost so many important parts of our history.

The game would have changed forever. Take 1966 for example. St George had just ran riot to claim their eleventh successive premiership, whilst the Eastern Suburbs side failed to win a single match all year.

If the Salary Cap was around, there could have been the chance that each of those two sides would've entered the competition on level chances.

But really, what would we have lost if the Salary Cap was around before the nineties?

1. We could have lost legends of the game to other sports (saying this as if the players of yesteryear were playing in today's world).
2. We could have possibly lost clubs.
3. We would have lost moments. Well, what if John Sattler was forced out of Souths before his famous feat of bravery?

If the 1966 season was played in today's world, sporting politics would be at their worse, scandals wouldn't be considered a "laugh" and player movements would be going in full swing.

So, for the years we were without the cap, if those heroes of yesteryear were playing today, well...with history re-written;

Who would be the greatest club?

Who would have left Rugby League?

Would loyalty be dead?

Would Rugby League still be alive?
 

Jesbass

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In one of his typical charges of uncontrollable rage, Jesbass knocks over his own team's scrum without ball in hand...

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Apocalyptic Lament (750 words including title)

New Zealand in 2039 is a dark and desolate land. The disparity between the social classes has increased dramatically in the last few decades, with the wealthy living in opulent walled cities, protected from the rest of the population who scavenge just to survive in a newly regressive and primitive society.

The undesirables are used for bloody spectacles as a form of entertainment for the powers that be. Rugby league bears little to no resemblance to its turn of the century form, having degenerated into a gladiatorial fight club.

The only similarity between the two eras of the game is that the same players are taking to the field, their yesteryear heroic status wilting in the process.

The saddest aspect of it all is the horrible “I told you so” message being scattered through the remnants of what was once a proud sporting fraternity.

Stacey Jones and Wairangi Koopu saw it coming. They tried to tell us in their typically media shy way. They somehow knew that our great game and its legends were doomed.

Why else would they have supported Labour leader Helen Clark in her ill-fated 2008 New Zealand election campaign, hoping beyond hope that the then governing party would stay in power?

But we didn’t listen to their caution. In our droves, we voted in the opposition. We demanded change, and we got it!

Now look at us – three decades have passed and our country and code are a collective mess.

You’ll no doubt remember that it all started when the new government were seeking ways to cut costs in the midst of a global recession and the prospect of a baby boomer population nearing retirement age. The problem of having such a large proportion of the population relying on the government for income was perceived as one of the major causes for poverty reaching record highs. Those with long standing celebrity status, and former professional sports people in particular, were still living large at the average tax payer’s expense.

As far as the law makers and policy shifters were concerned, something had to be done about them.

The question presented to the new regime was how to reduce the costs associated with these seniors. If they were somehow removed from regular society, they wouldn’t be taking money from the government. The desired end result was obvious, but the method had to be subtle – at first, anyway, lest there be a nationwide outcry.

The solution was simple, albeit overly creative: force these ex-stars to play rugby league. Their ageing bodies surely wouldn’t be able to cope with the physicality of such a tough contact sport.

It started out innocently enough, with ex-players taking to the field for the occasional charitable match under the guise of fundraising for worthy causes. But recently leaked government documents have revealed that subterfuge was already at hand as early as 2009.

With years to slowly persuade the public mindset, it only took 30-odd years for us to find ourselves in an embarrassingly shameful position. Our game had become a blood sport, with our yesteryear legends settling old grudges in the most primitive way known. When the catch cry of “Bring Back The Biff” resonated at the turn of the century, nobody could have imagined that we would end up with such hallowed blood on our hands.

The 2035 double-fatality rematch between Greg Dowling and Kevin Tamati on the 50th anniversary of their unforgettable on-field melee was a particularly messy affair.

Rugby league became the new baseball, renowned for its brawls and occasional moments of actual game play.

Of course, the fleet footed weren’t quite as quick as in their heyday; nor were their tackles as ferocious. But the impact from the bodily collisions was more deadly than ever.

Mouth guards were replaced by dentures. Every tackle and hitup shattered bones. The game’s heroes were left whimpering for mercy, as broken bodies littered the field, and the brainwashed crowds salivated at the sight.

These events, arranged by the government and with ex-players either voluntarily stepping forward or being recruited against their will, were held in crudely built underground arenas that earned the nickname of ‘Underdomes’ for obvious reasons: two teams would enter; one team would leave.

With once proud rugby league venues like Mount Smart resting in smoking piles of rubble, the game has surely breathed its last.

Why nobody listened to Jones, and what the bloodthirsty populace will now do for entertainment, are questions yet to be answered.

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LeagueNut

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LeagueNut posting by proxy for rayroxon

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We could be players

Thank you ladies and gentlemen for coming along to today’s meeting of the Justice League. You may notice we have some special guests with us here today. The NRL have contacted me to put together a team to play against the winners of the Four Nations as an exhibition match for the new season. These guys will mean business but I think if we choose the right team we can give this thing a good go. If your name is not read out, please don't be discouraged, you may get a spot on the bench or be included as a reserve. Let's get started!

Firstly, I'd like to announce the fullback position. We were considering Cyclops but his lack of depth perception is a worry. So, please join me in congratulating Superman. Skillful under the bomb, able to break through would-be tacklers like buildings and faster than a Cityrail Train, Superman is a perfect blend of speed, skill and strength and is the first superman picked in any squad.

The Wingers were tough choices but essentially speed was required first and foremost so congratulations to The Flash and Cheetarah from the Thundercats. You may be grumbling about having a mixed team but the changerooms will surely be a more interesting place with a ladies touch. Oh, sorry, I've just been advised that I am not to make lewd comments about females...something about women and Rugby League not mixing..... Well I have no doubt that both their natural pace and flair for finishing will see them as a very successful wing pairing.

We need people who are willing to run hard and hit harder as our centres. Candidates included the Punisher, Man at Arms and Stephen Hawking...that can't be right...regardless, it was a tough field. We were able to narrow it down to two so well done to both Iron Man and Spiderman. Their speed, guile and blend of leadership and emo self awareness should prove to be a devastating combination.

At 5/8th we need someone who is able to think tactically and run the ball effectively. Someone who has some real value across the park and can do some damage as well. I'd like to welcome Batman to the number 6 jersey. With his belt alone he proves his utility value and if he can kick a ball like he can throw his bat-o-ang we're in for a treat.

The most important role is the halfback I'm sure you would all agree. The ability to sum up the situation and make the most of it is tantamount to the success of this team. Great vision and leadership are also required. It may be a bit unusual in selecting 6 people for one position but please welcome Captain Planet and his Planeteers in the number 7 jersey.

Without a good platform for the halfback, we won't go very far at all. We need to guys who aren't afraid to put in the hard yards and do the work. I am proud to announce in the 8 and 10 jersey respectively the Incredible Hulk and the Thing. They both have unusual forms of radiation poisoning, they both are strange colours and they both have an appetite for destruction. You lot better thank the stars that they're on your side and not theirs.

At Hooker we need pace, niggle and vision. Someone who is able to get under the skin of the opposition and the right man for this role is Wolverine. His blatant disregard for the rules should drive the referees crazy and hopefully as a bonus on the side he can distribute the ball across the park too.

In the second row we need people who are willing to run wide and cause some damage as well as doing their bit on defence too. I've checked with the anti doping agencies and have been told that our selections are legitimate, please congratulate Popeye and Bananaman as our second rowers

At lock, we need a long lean body. Someone who isn't scared to put it on the line and do the hard work securing the ruck. At first we were going to pick Stephen Hawking...Riddler; again?...very good...back on track then. Please join me in welcoming the elastic frame of Mr Fantastic at 13.

Thank you for supporting the team and hopefully you'll all turn out for the match. Be sure to get down to Westfield Parramatta next week for the team signing.

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Azkatro

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I just want to apologise to my captain Non Terminator, and Australian teammates, as well as the opposition captain LeagueNut and team members, the referee and not least of all the F7's readers for making the really dumb mistake of neglecting the fact that this match (and tournament) obviously has topics for each round. I am really sorry for spoiling the game everyone!
 

Jesbass

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I just want to apologise to my captain Non Terminator, and Australian teammates, as well as the opposition captain LeagueNut and team members, the referee and not least of all the F7's readers for making the really dumb mistake of neglecting the fact that this match (and tournament) obviously has topics for each round. I am really sorry for spoiling the game everyone!

Az, don't be so harsh on yourself! I wish you'd kept your article up, too, so we could have a read, on topic or no.
 

Azkatro

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Az, don't be so harsh on yourself! I wish you'd kept your article up, too, so we could have a read, on topic or no.
I was actually happy with it, but when NT so kindly pointed the topic out to me, I just felt too embarrassed to leave it there :lol:
 
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There are no hard feelings Azkatro. None at all.
Well done Kiwis, great posts to back up a great win.

Good luck for the rest of the tournament one and all.
 

Azkatro

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Perhaps JesBass is right - I'm wondering if LeagueNut would mind if an administrator reverts the edit so my article appears as originally posted? I don't mind if it scores zero, but I don't think I'll use the article again anyway. I guess it's akin to playing the ball the wrong way ... at the end of the day it's still part of the match!
 

antonius

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New Zealand

Madunit
Oh, How Times Have Changed.
751 words (Checked with word counter twice)
I really am astounded sometimes how you guys can think outside the square for topics. Again here’s a great example of doing just that. The sentiments are all too sadly true. The larrikin is fast becoming a thing of the past, and it’s our loss.
Score 89 -2 for word count penalty I did check twice, so unless I’m doing something wrong with the counter?
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Jesbass
Apocalyptic Lament
750 Words
The writer actually takes us forward in time to qualify his piece to the topic. Clever idea, even though he is probably stretching the boundaries a little. There certainly wouldn’t be too many survivors of such games. Well thought out.
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Rayroxon
We could be players
744 Words
Oh so clever. Nobody said the heroes of yesteryear had to be league players! Well written and funny. What a team that would be, I’d take it to win the game. Well done.
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Australia
Non Terminator
Would They Stay Or Would They Go
749 Words

The writer looks at the topic from a different perspective, basing the question around the existence of the salary cap (or not). He makes some telling observations, giving us all some food for thought. Some minor spelling and grammatical errors that were not penalised.
Score 88

Result New Zealand 265
Defeated
Australia 88

POTM
Rayroxon
 

madunit

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hmm, that's odd antonius, cos I checked it a few times too and it was right on 750 words.

However, I'm not at all concerned, even with the 2 point deduction the article scored more than I predicted it would, so I'm stoked anyways :)

Furthermore, the Kiwi's got up.

Edit: I just checked again (just to ensure I'm not going even more insane) and it is definitely 751 words. Good work antonius!
 
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rayroxon

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Thanks 'Roos for the game. Chin up Az, it could happen to anyone.

Thanks Kiwis especially LN, sorry for the last minute stress me going awol caused.

Finally, thanks Antonius for the quick turnaround with marking and good to see you with the whistle once again.
 

LeagueNut

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Perhaps JesBass is right - I'm wondering if LeagueNut would mind if an administrator reverts the edit so my article appears as originally posted? I don't mind if it scores zero, but I don't think I'll use the article again anyway. I guess it's akin to playing the ball the wrong way ... at the end of the day it's still part of the match!
I don't know if I'm too late given that antonius has already posted the marks, but I'd have no objection to this.

P.S - well done Ray on getting POTM, I'll forgive you for going AWOL now. ;-)
 
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