4th Ashes Test: England v Australia at Nottingham on Aug 6-10, 2015

[jargan83]

Voges and SMarsh are inches away from it as well id imagine

Shaun Marsh never should have had a Test career.

 

[TheParraboy]

Credit to Alastair Cook. He's copped plenty of sh*t since the last series especially from plastic Warne and critics will say that it's been all Bayliss but he's stuck to his guns and has regained the ashes for his side.

One thing that unites us all, Warne is a tool

and yes congratulations to Alistair. Seems like a fine gent, maybe not the best captain but a man full of integrity and class. Good luck to him.

 

[African Monkey]

One thing that unites us all, Warne is a tool

and yes congratulations to Alistair. Seems like a fine gent, maybe not the best captain but a man full of integrity and class. Good luck to him.

:lol: it certainly does.

This series loss may be the best thing for the Aussies in the long run. A great opportunity for Smith to take control of the side from the Bangladesh series and mould a new team. Don't know what's coming through in the Sheffield Shield but young blood is definitely the way forward.

 

[JJ]

needs to be a look at technique too though, it's been exposed badly

 

[Mr Angry]

England too good...the selectors need a broom too.

 

[69-05-41]

Farke off Clarke, good luck in your future career at Nein as Warne's bitch. May you continue to suck long after cricket.

 

[undertaker]

Series is lost and Warne still can't stop talking about himself.

Disgusting.

That's horny Worny for ya!

 

[TheParraboy]

:lol: it certainly does.

This series loss may be the best thing for the Aussies in the long run. A great opportunity for Smith to take control of the side from the Bangladesh series and mould a new team. Don't know what's coming through in the Sheffield Shield but young blood is definitely the way forward.

Mate

We have got things covered

Aaron Finch for Rogers
Rob Quiney for Clarke
Glen "I can create a new shot every game" Maxwell at 6


headbutt me now :crazy:

 

[Mr Angry]

And yes since VFL has ruined cricket grounds with drop in roads..we can't face a moving ball.

Thanks Victorians, bad enough your abortion of a game exists, it ruins cricket grounds and thier character.

Carrrrrnnntttttssss.

 

[JJ]

Mate

We have got things covered

Aaron Finch for Rogers
Rob Quiney for Clarke
Glen "I can create a new shot every game" Maxwell at 6


headbutt me now :crazy:

Faulkner at 8, and driving the team bus?

 

[JW]

Mate

We have got things covered

Aaron Finch for Rogers
Rob Quiney for Clarke
Glen "I can create a new shot every game" Maxwell at 6


headbutt me now :crazy:

Look on the bright side, at least the Windies may be a chance of taking the Melbourne Test into the 2nd day.

 

[undertaker]

And so what happened to England last series (lost Trott, Swann, Prior, Pietersen) has happened to us.

Ponting said during the Sky Sports commentary that there could be as many as 8 players from our squad that won't be in the test squad after this series.

I'll take a guess that the 8 are Harris (who retired before 1st test), Rogers and Clarke (who've confirmed their retirements at end of series), Haddin, Watson, Siddle, Shaun Marsh and possibly Voges (although his 50 may have saved him for the upcoming summer).

Which 7 players (assuming Nevill replaces Haddin) will replace the list mentioned above remains to be seen. I definitely believe Joe Burns deserves his spot in the side back and can consider himself extremely unlucky to be dumped after his performance in his two tests against India. I know that Voges had an outstanding Shield season, and did very well on a difficult pitch in his debut test at Dominica, but he was largely selected for the Ashes tour on the basis of his familiarity with English conditions (given the level of county cricket he's played over the years) and unfortunately at 35yrs old, despite his fifty he scored tonight, hasn't performed to the expectation like Rogers has since Rogers was given his opportunity 2 years ago on the same basis of his familiarity in English conditions. As I said before the Ashes and say it again, given the potential cleanout that's coming up after this Ashes, Rogers retirement is going to be a big loss as we need someone like him to play the anchor role

 

[JW]

And yes since VFL has ruined cricket grounds with drop in roads..we can't face a moving ball.

Thanks Victorians, bad enough your abortion of a game exists, it ruins cricket grounds and thier character.

Carrrrrnnntttttssss.

A thousand amens to that mate.

One of the greatest and most understated tragedies of Australian Cricket.

 

[chigurh]

Good timing from Clarke

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Trent Boult will destroy these donkeys in NZ

 

[undertaker]

You know what's sad?

The death of the close series - both teams have had horrific tours away from home.

2005 was obviously the most memorable, decided on the last day at The Oval and would've made for a thrilling run chase had Warne not dropped that catch in the slips when England were 5-down or so and their tail were bowled out cheaply.

However, 2009 was also close and although 546 was always going to be near impossible to chase in the 4th innings at The Oval, it would've been interesting to see how close Australia could've got to the target had Ponting not got run-out to a dubious call from Hussey when the English bowlers were under pressure from their 100+ run partnership. That Flintoff run-out of Ponting was the turning point of that innings. In that series, England won the 'clutch' moments; they performed better and got the rub of the green (especially with umpiring decisions, such as the Lord's test. Absolutely terrible umpiring from Rudi Koertzen, thank God he retired) when it mattered. In the end, our inability to close out the match in Cardiff ended up being the difference between retaining and losing the Ashes.

 

[undertaker]

Geez

May as well play all the bowlers in the 5th test. Our tail starts at 4 anyway.

:lol:

Interesting observation on that....

The 2013 SCG test vs Sri Lanka was the last test where we played 5 frontline bowlers (Johnson batted at 7). Before that, we also played 5 frontline bowlers during our halcyon days, such as during the 2003 tour of West Indies and 2006 tour of Bangladesh (Gilchrist moved from batting at 7 to 6). That's just how much confidence and faith we had in our batting lineup back then, especially with someone with the calibre of Gilchrist rounding up the batting lineup. Absolutely no way would the current selectors consider only 5 specialised batsmen and a wicketkeeper, given the instability and erratic nature of our batting lineup, especially if there is going to be a massive cleanout after the Ashes that has been talked about.

On the converse, when we had so much faith in Warne and McGrath during the Mark Taylor years, we only played 3 frontline bowlers during the 1997 tour of South Africa (Warne, Gillespie and McGrath. Wicketkeeper Ian Healy batted at 8) and the 1998 SCG test vs South Africa (Reiffel, Warne and McGrath). In the 1999 SCG test, McGrath was the only frontline fast bowler, with Warne and MacGill as spinners and Colin Miller bowling some medium pace with the new ball before switching to off-spin for most of the innings when the ball was older. That goes to show how much confidence and faith the team placed in Warne and McGrath to do the job back then

 

[undertaker]

Mate

We have got things covered

Aaron Finch for Rogers
Rob Quiney for Clarke
Glen "I can create a new shot every game" Maxwell at 6


headbutt me now :crazy:

Oh dear.....

If we do have the player clean-out that needs to happen, I really hope none of those three above - especially Glen Maxwell - are the replacements. Maxwell is a good T20 and ODI player, but like Warner, still carries the T20 mindset when he's played in the test arena.

And who's idea was it was to open Maxwell with both the batting and bowling in the last test of our ill-fated 2013 tour of India?:lol: One of the greatest selection decisions of all-time....NOT!

 

[undertaker]

And yes since VFL has ruined cricket grounds with drop in roads..we can't face a moving ball.

Thanks Victorians, bad enough your abortion of a game exists, it ruins cricket grounds and thier character.

Carrrrrnnntttttssss.

If you want to see what the MCG pitch used to be like before drop-ins were introduced during the early '90s, youTube Kim Hughes 100* against the West Indies in the 1981 Boxing Day Test match. In the context of the game, many cricket journos (even Ian Chappell, who despised Hughes) call that one of the best centuries in test cricket history (on an erratic pitch against Holding/Croft/Garner/Roberts). Holding and Lillee both got 10 wicket hauls in that match.

And on the topic of Adelaide Oval (which has since become another VFL ground), I would've preferred the ground to have remained the way it was during the 2010/11 Ashes with only the Western grandstand done up (with capacity approx. 40k) just before the SACA members' vote for full redevelopment over the last few years took place if it meant abstaining from drop-in pitches in order to accommodate VFL. Now, the entire ground looks like a concrete monstrosity transplanted out of nowhere, with a crappy concrete pitch to top it off. I remember visiting Adelaide Oval during summer holidays in January 2009 and saw the Chappell stands that used to be on the eastern side of the ground, when the ground still looked beautiful and scenic like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Adelaide_Oval_2006.jpg

Funny how a lot of money was spent to errect those stands in 2003, only for them to be knocked down and rebuilt by another stand in order to accommodate Adelaide/Port Adelaide's decision to move to Adelaide Oval and play matches there, when there was already a 51k capacity VFL ground at Football Park. What a waste of money.

 

[Das Gupta]

What goes around comes around.
Australia are flat track bullies. Can't win in England or India.
18 months ago Australia destroyed England and cleaned out half the English team and left their fans devastated. Now England have payed them back in spades.

Rule Britannia!