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4th ODI: Australia v India at Canberra on Jan 20, 2016

undertaker

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Such nonsense

Boland has flatout stunk. He is averaging 200 Ffs. I suppose because he is a selector "hunch" he will be given a massive go.

It's OK to be wrong selectors. I've been wrong plenty. I understand that mark Waugh liked how he looked in a shield game but its clear he isn't up to international standard. I just hope when the Indians belt him around next two odis we can move on.

Selection should be made on form, not 'potential form'
 

Twizzle

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Sorry I'm going to crap on about a topic that has been mentioned ad nauseum on this forum, but it needs to be said again that the pitches so far in this bilateral series have been absolutely pedestrian.

Would love to see either the Canberra or SCG pitch have even just a slight tinge of green (like the day/night Adelaide test). Sick and tired of all these 290+ 1st innings scores where batsmen can score with consummate ease and the likes of Sharma and Kohli's batting averages get inflated. I miss pitches such as these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYgJL0d4eGs

Bill Lawry last night referred to our pitches as dodo pitches

I have no idea what he means but I gather he is not impressed
 

chigurh

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An aspect that frustrates me....

Uzi should've only been selected in the squad on the provision that he was going to play. If he wasn't, he should've been allowed to play for the Thunder on Saturday. Reminds me of the selection rules in State of Origin as well.



Selection should be made on form, not 'potential form'

Yes - would be nice to hear a bowler has got a run because he has been taking lots of wickets recently, or because his economy rate has been excellent. Not because he hits the freakin' deck hard or is faster than the batsmen expect or some other BS :roll:
 

redvscotty

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I like how he poo pooed the old switch hit, referring to the fact that you never see a bowler change from over the wicket to around the wicket and as such should never see a batsman change stance direction.

Yeah, nah.
 

Hutty1986

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Manuka's traditionally (small sample size I know) been a flat deck and I doubt it'll be any different this time around. Hopefully we bat first and really put on a show*.

*Show doesn't necessarily have to be from the man dubbed Big Show, but that is also acceptable.
 

JJ

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I like how he poo pooed the old switch hit, referring to the fact that you never see a bowler change from over the wicket to around the wicket and as such should never see a batsman change stance direction.

Yeah, nah.

He has a point, too much advantage for the flat track bullies
 

Hutty1986

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Canary yellow? That's Australian gold my friend and don't you f*ckin’ forget it! Canary yellow indeed...
 

vvvrulz

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The pitches are a disgrace, good on Bill for calling it.
God we miss him in the comm box.

What's costing India is how 'safe' Rohit, Kohli and Rahane play it by cruising around for the first 200 runs, chalking up milestones and then having a dash when it's actually too late.

On these pathetic decks they should be racking up 350+ every time.
 

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I like how he poo pooed the old switch hit, referring to the fact that you never see a bowler change from over the wicket to around the wicket and as such should never see a batsman change stance direction.

Yeah, nah.

Sadly, it was not even a switch hit. It was just a reverse sweep by Maxwell.

Do not even think the grip was changed. But it was definitely not a switch hit.

Simple reverses there cannot be an argument against, its is just a shot. Reverses with the grip being changed, there could be a stronger argument against, but a bowler can bowl a leg spinner, arm ball or an off spinner without making any announcement - so that evens out, in my view to any grip change on the bat handle, with the grip change on the ball.

But for the switch hit, I also think the reasoning is flawed to the bowling analogy. Bowlers can change their mind at the very last point of what delivery they will bowl. As for the stance, if a batsman reckons he can "switch his stance" - without taking a new guard - just before the ball is released, so the bowler sees the changed stance, and still get a good percentage shot, I think a bowler must fancy their chances more. Changing stances at a point in time too late for the bowler to adjust their delivery, the batsman then has next to no reaction time to follow and hit the ball. That has to be a low percentage shot for them.

But maybe we should allow bowlers to only declare around or over the wicket and give them the choice of arms - get some good ambidextrous quicks at 150+ - that will even up the contest between bat and ball - and even if does bowlers next to no advantage as batsman follow the delivery stride - it would add to the entertainment.
 
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What's costing India is how 'safe' Rohit, Kohli and Rahane play it by cruising around for the first 200 runs, chalking up milestones and then having a dash when it's actually too late.
On these pathetic decks they should be racking up 350+ every time.

This has always been a problem with India.
India have always glorified personal achievement over team achievement. They'd rather see a player keep up a good average or break records than see India win, and often chasing these personal achievements result in losing them the match.
 

Pete Cash

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A few things the mcg pitch was ok. There was certainly a lot of spin in it. Its two terrible bowling line ups being bashed around by good batting line ups. The waca pitch was bad mind but that was a few odis ago. Even f**king beaker was getting some seam movement.

Im not a huge fan of the batsman changing stances from left to right handed or vice versa but how many guys can even do it. Kp could and david warner can but there arent too many batsmen who are properly ambidextrous.
 
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Which is why I always had more respect for Dravid over Tendulkar.

This x 1000! Give me 11 Dravids any day of the week over 11 Tendulkars.

Always had a lot of respect for Dravid. In 20 years or so of watching cricket, I'd say he is my favourite Indian player (closely followed by Laxman). From the moment I first saw him during Australia's '96 tour of India, he was destined for big things. In a team of spoilt-brats, scumbags and match-fixers (match-fixing dissipated when Ganguly became captain), he stood out from the crowd and was true class on and off the field.

Sadly for Dravid, as Greg Chappell mentioned during his coaching tenure in India, he was white-anted by both teammates and administration during his captaincy. And due to the spin-doctoring and media, Tendulkar gets all the accolades from that era.
 
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I'm not saying Boland shouldn't have given a go, but one, maybe two ODIs later they should have tapped him and said 'thanks but no thanks'. I've said it earlier, but Siddle would be a better pick over Boland. Hell, there are at least 20 bowlers better.

In no particular order:
Starc
Hazlewood
Pattinson
Cummins
Richardson
Hastings
Christian
Behrendorff
Bird
Paris
Laughlin
Siddle
Tye
Steketee
Abbott
Coulter-Nile
Faulkner
Gulbis
Stanlake
Tait
Rainbird
McKay
Rimmington

There's 23 right there.
 
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In no particular order:
Starc
Hazlewood
Pattinson
Cummins
Richardson
Hastings
Christian
Behrendorff
Bird
Paris
Laughlin
Siddle
Tye
Steketee
Abbott
Coulter-Nile
Faulkner
Gulbis
Stanlake
Tait
Rainbird
McKay
Rimmington

There's 23 right there.

Someone needs to get this to Mark Waugh.

Would love to be a streaker holding that as a sign just to make a point.
 

Twizzle

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This x 1000! Give me 11 Dravids any day of the week over 11 Tendulkars.

Always had a lot of respect for Dravid. In 20 years or so of watching cricket, I'd say he is my favourite Indian player (closely followed by Laxman). From the moment I first saw him during Australia's '96 tour of India, he was destined for big things. In a team of spoilt-brats, scumbags and match-fixers (match-fixing dissipated when Ganguly became captain), he stood out from the crowd and was true class on and off the field.

Sadly for Dravid, as Greg Chappell mentioned during his coaching tenure in India, he was white-anted by both teammates and administration during his captaincy. And due to the spin-doctoring and media, Tendulkar gets all the accolades from that era.

you forget about Dravid and his cough lollies ?
 
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I'm referring to Dravid as a batsman. Many times did he come out at 1 for f**k all and try to anchor a top order collapse, especially when the golden child didn't come through with the goods.
 

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