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5 reasons why the Warriors have 'failed', NZ Herald

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NRL: Why the Warriors have fallen off pace when it matters most

By David Skipwith
NZ HERALD

5:00 AM Tuesday Aug 26, 2014

NRL Rugby League Warriors League Team
A belting at the hands of reigning NRL premiers last weekend means the NZ franchise’s promising season is in danger of spluttering to a halt early. Making the playoffs is now becoming a tough task.
Warriors coach Andrew McFadden was appointed in round six. Photo / Greg Bowker
Warriors coach Andrew McFadden was appointed in round six. Photo / Greg Bowker
The Warriors were knocking on the door of the NRL top four less than a month ago. But the past three weeks has seen them plummet off the pace with a patchy win over the awful Cronulla Sharks and two disastrous defeats to the lowly Newcastle Knights and Sydney Roosters, the premiers. They now need to win their remaining games against the Titans and Panthers to give them any chance of a top-eight finish. Here are the five reasons they have folded.

1 Disruption and upheaval
The controversial departure of former coach Matt Elliott - and an accompanying public and embarrassing spat between high-profile owners Eric Watson and Owen Glenn - saw Andrew McFadden take charge ahead of their round six encounter against Canterbury.
"Cappy" wasted no time in stamping his mark on his inherited squad, dropping Chad Townsend and Feleti Mateo and giving Thomas Leuluai his first start at standoff. It took a couple of weeks for the side to find their feet under their new coach and after twin defeats they went on to win seven of their next nine games.


During this stretch, Leuluai's recurring groin injury gave Townsend an extended run in the halves, and Mateo and Konrad Hurrell impressed on returning to the top grade, while centre Dane Nielsen was another selection casualty. Hurrell and Ngani Laumape eventually struck a strong midfield pairing but the latter's three-week suspension earned Nielsen a reprieve.

Just when combinations had a familiar look about them, a dip in form and injuries combined to see David Fusitu'a exit as Laumape returned. Shaun Johnson's groin injury then ruled him out for three weeks, and a torn hamstring sidelined Hurrell for a fortnight, prompting further changes when consistency was needed.

A decline in form followed against the Sharks, Knights and Roosters, in which Leuluai reclaimed the No6 jersey, and although Johnson returned for the match against Newcastle, injuries to Tuimoala Lolohea and Fusitu'a have stretched their outside back resources to the limit.

Add to this the fact that experienced utility Jerome Ropati was forced to retire and Kevin Locke departed for Salford in less than ideal circumstances and you have a season of instability.

2 Inexperience
While the Warriors boast some of the best home-grown and up-and-coming talent in the NRL, the likes of rookie backs Fusitu'a, Laumape, Hurrell and Townsend are still learning and have some way to go before being consistent first-grade performers.
Throw in the likes of forwards Sebastine Ikahi'ihifo, Suaia Matagi, Sione Lousi, Charlie Gubb and Siliva Havili and it's clear why the addition of Storm and NSW second-rower Ryan Hoffman for 2015 was important to the coaching staff.

Captain Simon Mannering is the side's most consistent performer but needs greater support and leadership from his fellow forwards.

Johnson, too, is still adding facets to his play. In his absence, a gritty display in going down to Manly and a big win over the woeful Raiders may have suggested otherwise, but remove him from the side and they lose a significant amount of self-belief, strike-power and organisation.

3 Mental fragility
A mixture of that inexperience and a lack of mental fortitude has cost the Warriors dearly on several occasions this season.
Their round six 21-20 defeat to Canterbury saw them unable to execute a field goal before Trent Hodkinson sealed the game for the visitors, while a late flurry in their return clash in Hamilton four weeks later was too little, too late.

The Warriors looked well in control after a dominant first-half against the Rabbitohs in Perth, before conceding five tries in the last 21 minutes to lose 34-18.

Similarly, their run up the NRL ladder was halted by a tenacious and determined Broncos side in round 19, when a second-half double to Ben Henry put them ahead 22-18 with 30 minutes to play.

However, Brisbane wing Dale Copley ruined their evening with two tries in two minutes to give his team a match-winning 28-22 lead.

A 22-12 defeat to the ruthless Manly side can be forgiven, but a listless second-half effort against the Sharks in round 22 saw them held scoreless, and they were fortunate to escape with two competition points.

The 28-22 defeat to Newcastle highlighted their defensive frailties and although they fought back hard from 14-0 down they fell short when it mattered.

Sunday's 46-12 capitulation to the Roosters, after trailing 16-6 at halftime, was nothing short of an embarrassment and all but a few players can hold their heads high in the wake of that flat and submissive display.

How they react in this week's must-win match against the Gold Coast Titans at Mt Smart Stadium, in their final home game of the season, will reveal much about the strength and character of the side.

4 Lack of depth
Lingering injuries from the 2013 World Cup meant Leuluai and Locke were robbed of any pre-season training, while Ropati's cruel luck put the squad under further pressure.
Nielsen's inability to recapture the form that saw him enjoy premiership success with Melbourne left his rookie centre and wing partners without a creative inside force and saw the Warriors rely heavily on their right-side attack of Johnson and Hurrell.

To their credit, the likes of Henry, Hurrell and Laumape have come on in leaps and bounds, but again, take one of them out of the equation and the cupboard begins to look a little bare.

It's no wonder the club put out feelers for Steve Matai and one wonders whether the likes of the Sydney Roosters' edge runners would have enjoyed such freedom if someone of his reputation was lurking out wide with a big shoulder.

As mentioned earlier, wing remains a concern, after Glen Fisi'iahi's season was ruined with a shoulder injury and Fusitu'a suffering the same fate. Throw in Locke's departure and finding a classy finisher remains a headache before the last two rounds.

5 Inflated expectations
The club's hopes looked to have improved under McFadden but the gloss has been stripped away after nine wins and eight defeats under his watch.
Overall their record is split evenly with 11 wins and 11 losses to see them clinging on to 10th spot.

Winning seven out of nine games between round eight and round 18 even had Australian critics excited. But since then they have won just two of six games, against the lowly Raiders and Sharks, losing to the Broncos, Manly, Knights and Roosters. Byes in round 14 and 17 proved invaluable and enabled them to hold pace with the top eight contenders, while they have also benefited from a draw that saw them face competition heavyweights Manly, the Roosters and Rabbitohs just once.

In reality, not much has changed from the position they were in at the same stage of last season under Elliott, where they had registered 10 wins and 12 losses after 24 rounds, before finishing 11th overall.

Both are significantly better than what the club achieved at the same point of the 2012 campaign under Brian McClennan, where they had a season-high eight victories and 14 defeats, before shutting up shop early to lose their last eight matches for a 14th-place finish.

With such a young side having to endure a difficult and tumultuous start to the year they have done well to resurrect their season and remain in the fight to claim a finals position. As they showed in 2011, when they made a shock grand final appearance from sixth place - once they are in the playoffs, anything can happen


I also think that SOO works heavily in favour. Our results over this period are usually strong.
 

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At a quick skim, I really can't disagree with too much of that. The thing is though, some other clubs go through similar situations, but they seem to thrive on adversity.

I certainly don't have the answers.
 

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At a quick skim, I really can't disagree with too much of that. The thing is though, some other clubs go through similar situations, but they seem to thrive on adversity.

I certainly don't have the answers.

That would suggest character/culture?
 

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None of those explain why we started playing well and the fell apart in a sudden change... except mental fragility!
 
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The key is having Shaun Johnson, Konrad Hurrell and Ben Matulino playing, fit and in top form. With that combo in form then Sam Tomkins can shine, and the team can beat most opponents.

I also think that Tommy Leuluai is a better choice than Chad Townsend at five eighth, if you consider TL's earlier season form. Leuluai and Tomkins have the past experience together that should pay off soon..

Mannering and Friend are usually very good. When Manu doesn't drop the ball he is good value. Laumape is also good value, even though not as devastating as Hurrell.

As the article pointed out, there are a lot of young players in the side. Next year Ryan Hoffman will add a lot to the young pack, playing alongside Mannering.

But don't underestimate the pivotal role of those first four, assuming that Leuluai finds his groove.
 
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Our problem since the Broncos game has been depth, we've lost a few players over the past 6 weeks and players called up haven't been up to it and others playing out of position or in some players case it's been needing a game in the NSW Cup before coming back. Our top 18 are good but 19-25 lacks depth/experience/skill
 

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Biggest problem is, with the exception of a few games here and there, our forwards have been soft as marshmallows since 2011 when Packer, Matulino (pre shoulder charge ban), Rapira and Lillyman were all in top form.
Since then, Packer lost all form due to injuries and went to jail... leaving us with:

-A similarly injury plagued and soft version of Sam Rapira who makes very few metres
-Mr Invisible Matulino who sometimes scores tries when playing second row but seems to have stopped making metres or smashing anyone
-Last season's revelation Matagi who seems to have lost his spark this year and honestly isn't big enough to dominate his opposition.
-Lillyman is our one consistently good prop but even he is not the angry dominant type. His main value lies in a high work rate and quick PTB.

On the rare occasions when our whole pack fire at once, we can dominate an average opposition pack but we just don't have the right mix to regularly foot it with the big boys.

We lack starch and mana.
 

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biggest problem is, with the exception of a few games here and there, our forwards have been soft as marshmallows since 2011 when packer, matulino (pre shoulder charge ban), rapira and lillyman were all in top form.
Since then, packer lost all form due to injuries and went to jail... Leaving us with:

-a similarly injury plagued and soft version of sam rapira who makes very few metres
-mr invisible matulino who sometimes scores tries when playing second row but seems to have stopped making metres or smashing anyone
-last season's revelation matagi who seems to have lost his spark this year and honestly isn't big enough to dominate his opposition.
-lillyman is our one consistently good prop but even he is not the angry dominant type. His main value lies in a high work rate and quick ptb.

On the rare occasions when our whole pack fire at once, we can dominate an average opposition pack but we just don't have the right mix to regularly foot it with the big boys.

We lack starch and mana.


100%
 

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I'll add in another one. Shaun Johnson.
With Chad you know what you get. He tries his hardest. Not as skillful as Johnson but he gives it everything.
Earlier this season I thought Johnson had turned a corner. He turned up to play. Made tackles. Controlled play. I really thought he had grown up.
Since his return from injury are we really any better off? Last two weeks he has been reluctant to tackle. Has sit back and watched.
Hate to say it but I think OB may be right. Mateo, Matulino & Johnson putting in less than 100% = shades of Bluey.
Hope not.
 

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Biggest problem is, with the exception of a few games here and there, our forwards have been soft as marshmallows since 2011 when Packer, Matulino (pre shoulder charge ban), Rapira and Lillyman were all in top form.
Since then, Packer lost all form due to injuries and went to jail... leaving us with:

-A similarly injury plagued and soft version of Sam Rapira who makes very few metres
-Mr Invisible Matulino who sometimes scores tries when playing second row but seems to have stopped making metres or smashing anyone
-Last season's revelation Matagi who seems to have lost his spark this year and honestly isn't big enough to dominate his opposition.
-Lillyman is our one consistently good prop but even he is not the angry dominant type. His main value lies in a high work rate and quick PTB.

On the rare occasions when our whole pack fire at once, we can dominate an average opposition pack but we just don't have the right mix to regularly foot it with the big boys.

We lack starch and mana.

Bang on the money.
 

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I'll add in another one. Shaun Johnson.
With Chad you know what you get. He tries his hardest. Not as skillful as Johnson but he gives it everything.
Earlier this season I thought Johnson had turned a corner. He turned up to play. Made tackles. Controlled play. I really thought he had grown up.
Since his return from injury are we really any better off? Last two weeks he has been reluctant to tackle. Has sit back and watched.
Hate to say it but I think OB may be right. Mateo, Matulino & Johnson putting in less than 100% = shades of Bluey.
Hope not.

Chad may very well try his hardest and you are dead right in saying you know what you are going to get. NOTHING. He's barely first grade standard.

There is no revolt or anything remotely like it. Some players just aren't up to it. It wouldn't disappoint me if Mateo & Matulino left tbh. There is no doubt we need 3 NRL hardened props. Ours (Lillyman aside) aren't up to it anymore. Hoffman will help, but hi plays on the edge. We need to get into the market for middle men asap.

As for Johnson. You are being a bit harsh in saying he is putting in less than 100%. He's the future and clearly gives a shit. On Sunday he had Bukuya inside him who doesn't want to do any work at all and Hurrell on the outside who was clearly no where near 100% fit.
 

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It was a monumentally horrible performance on the weekend - Johnson, Hurrell, and Bukuya were all awful in defence - and I don't buy the Hurrell wasn't fit argument... Jennings and Maloney just owned them...

Worrying signs, will watch with real interest this weekend - because Lillyman and Friend aside that was a gutless and incompetent performance... on the gutless count I'll excuse Laumape and Tomkins
 

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As for Johnson. You are being a bit harsh in saying he is putting in less than 100%. He's the future and clearly gives a shit.

I'd agree with this and add that when we're struggling to find points, everything tends to fall on to his shoulders to make things happen, which IMO is when he plays at his poorest. Tomkins takes some of the weight off, but consider who someone like Cherry-Evans has around him. Cherry-Evans is probably a better overall player than Johnson and he often shines in games, but he also has the scope to do so, because Stewart or Lyon will be there to turn the game back into Manly's favor if the chips are down. There are also players like Foran and Matai who can also do the same. Shaun has serviceable players around him, but very few of them are smart playmakers.
 

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I'd agree with this and add that when we're struggling to find points, everything tends to fall on to his shoulders to make things happen, which IMO is when he plays at his poorest. Tomkins takes some of the weight off, but consider who someone like Cherry-Evans has around him. Cherry-Evans is probably a better overall player than Johnson and he often shines in games, but he also has the scope to do so, because Stewart or Lyon will be there to turn the game back into Manly's favor if the chips are down. There are also players like Foran and Matai who can also do the same. Shaun has serviceable players around him, but very few of them are smart playmakers.

I think you are fairly close mate. Basically there are no Stewarts or Lyons etc in the side to compensate if it goes belly up.
 

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No way I'd say Johnson is putting in less than 100%. That Tupou chase, positive he was the one who stopped the Roosters scoring again right when the Ikahihifo flop happened :)lol: still makes me laugh that flop)

It comes down to our forwards. I couldn't name a starting forward pack this week that I'd be happy with. We have so many forward without satisfactory defense let alone the work rate to put in the hard yards. They're all too happy to let Manu/Konnie/Laumape burn themselves out doing the work they should be doing.

Even the games where we've broken teams apart (Raiders, Eels etc) so many of those have come from a strong forward effort but not a dominant one. We're the anti Bulldogs, if we get parity in the forwards the backs can tip things our way as opposed to relying on our forwards the win.
 

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I don't have any questions about SJ's heart at all. Just because he doesn't always shine when the pressure is on doesn't mean he isn't trying his ass off.

He also shows much more frustration and emotion when shit isn't going well than most of the team do.

Inconsistency in performance doesn't always mean inconsistency in effort, particularly with a guy like SJ, sometimes he'll pull off some magic shit, sometimes it will end up in something ugly like that rubbish ball he threw against the Knights, but when it blows up it doesn't mean he wasn't trying. In fact it often means he's trying too much.

Forward pack definitely needs a makeover, looking to next year I'm happy with

Lillyman
Mannering
Hoffman
Henry (if his knee hasn't broken down)

after that there's a whole lot of question marks. Having guys like Manu and Hurrell who can help get you out of your end should be an added luxury not a necessity.
 
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