5th Test: Austalia vs England at SCG Jan 3-7 2011

[hineyrulz]

He'd prefer it if Cameron White was in the side, not Steve Smith.

He'd prefer old man MacGain.

 

[Big Pete]

Plus rushing in players that show a bit of potential (or in Beer's case no potential) is a proven recipe for disaster.

They need more time. O'Keefe isn't even in the Shield side.

Why did Khawaja look good? Because he has paid his dues. Half the players that have debuted in the past 2-3 years have not paid their dues and we have paid the price.

Pretty much.

People care too much about stats too, while generally they're good indicators what can work well in domestic could be absolutely ordinary on the international stage.

With that said, I would've prefered O'Keefe to Beer...then again I would've just taken Hauritz albeit I really don't rate him.

 

[beads6]

Smith needs a little bit more turn IMO to become a better spinner. Probably a better option than all the spinners in the country at present though.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

You are wrong.
I will put in simple English for you, since you are obviosuly have the IQ of geniused rabbit.

Bell edged the ball but it was a thin edge.
Bell knows he was out but gets some advice from Prior who says 'it was thin but you may as well go for it cause we are 6 down and there is nothing to lose'
Hot spot may or may not show a slight mark indicating the thinnest of edges. Some say they see the faintest of marks. The ball is close to the bat. There is hardly any separation between bat and ball.

NO EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY 100% CONCLUSIVE HE DIDN'T EDGE IT

Nothing you said was relevant to the decision until you mention hot spot showed nothing that's enough to cast doubt in Dar's mind that he got it wrong thus you being a f**king numpty are being harsh on Dar with your original comment you don't kow what was relayed to him and what was relayed to him was obviously enough to tell him he got it wrong. Snicko proved he was out but snicko isn't used the unreliable slow motion and hot spot were incorrect and that's what the umpires work with Now, f**k off.

 

[Matt23]

Sherminator finally gets a century against Australia, albeit being extremely "fortunate" one.

 

[HevyDevy]

Smith needs a little bit more turn IMO to become a better spinner. Probably a better option than all the spinners in the country at present though.

Hauritz is by far the best option. Has improved out of sight over the past few years and has shown since he returned to NSW the benefits of that improvement.

Unfortunately he was treated shabbily by Ponting and the selectors.

If he'd played in this series they would have picked him for Perth and dropped him for Sydney with shocking field placings for him.

 

[yappy]

It has huge flaws though.

I can see why they limit it to two wrong challenges but it's ridiculous to be able to challengte for half an innings but if you get two close ones wrong you can't use it later.

To have umpires referring is even worse. The umpires are there to make a decision. If a player wants to challenge it, go ahead, but the umpire shouldn't be able to use it as a crutch.

I'm not at all worried about the Cook no-ball yesterday - correct decision was made and everyone is happy - but the way it happened was pathetic.

If Billy thought it was a no-ball, why didn't he call it? He wouldn't have asked for a referral if the wicket didn't fall despite apparently knowing it was a no-ball.

I think it should be taken out of the player's hands completely and the umps should use it to back up their decisions like they do with low catches. Billy was right to not call the no-ball due to how high Beer's heel is. If he'd have called the no-ball and been wrong it would have been a terrible f**k up because it couldn't be reviewed. As it was it was well handled, the right decision was made and the game moved on. Like anything it's not perfect, but it beats the f**k out of having terrible decisions deciding matches. Even Bell's one, though out was a fine edge that you could always make a reasonable argument that benefit of the doubt applies and so the not out was fair enough.

 

[skeepe]

One of the most undeserved 100s you'll ever see. f**k off Bell you morally devoid, integrityless utter, utter merkin.

 

[beads6]

Hauritz is by far the best option. Has improved out of sight over the past few years and has shown since he returned to NSW the benefits of that improvement.

Unfortunately he was treated shabbily by Ponting and the selectors.

If he'd played in this series they would have picked him for Perth and dropped him for Sydney with shocking field placings for him.

Whilst I agree Hauritz should have played I don't think he is an option now, it seems the selectors have stamped his papers. Such a shame.

 

[Red Bear]

Smith has shown a few things in this series that are positive, mainly the drift and flight of his bowling, and his second innings in Melbourne, but has also shown he's a good 2-3 years off being a test player (and thats being generous).

 

[Red Bear]

Smith has shown a few things in this series that are positive, mainly the drift and flight of his bowling, and his second innings in Melbourne, but has also shown he's a good 2-3 years off being a test player (and thats being generous).

 

[yappy]

Johnson takes his usual just enough wickets to stay in the team.

 

[hineyrulz]

sh*tchell has 3, and Bell out for the 2nd time.

 

[beads6]

Johnson takes his usual just enough wickets to stay in the team.

cmon guys Johnson has made the Aussies look respectable the last 2 days. :crazy:

 

[ANTiLAG]

This is uncommon, I agree with Tonearm on the hotspot issue. I like the use of technology - and as, I think it was Yappy said, now there will be less howlers and less debate. Could not agree more. The techonolgy exists - lets use it. Though, today is not an ideal advertisement.

As for Skeepe questioning the integrity of Bell for not walking, if indeed he felt an edge, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Some of Australia's best and most beloved batsmen took not walking from an art through to a science.

 

[fish eel]

Big day for Steve Smith and Phil Hughes tomorrow. Both need runs. As does Clarke.

For the life of me, I'm struggling to work out why Smith is in this test side.

He isnt there for his batting or he'd be higher than 7. And today suggests he isnt there for his bowling either. Might as well be playing Craig White who is probably a better batsman anyway and could hold down the 6 spot.

As for the bowlers, well, might be time to bring some young quicks into the squad as project players. Guys like Cameron & Copeland would be inline to take Hilfy's spot, though I'd also like to see Peter George given another shot. John Hastings might be one to watch aswell.

and there's Mitchell Starc around as well.

The bowling talent is there, the massive difference is a young quick coming into the side wont be coming on first change after the likes of mcgrath and dizzy have made inroads.

 

[fish eel]

Hauritz is by far the best option. Has improved out of sight over the past few years and has shown since he returned to NSW the benefits of that improvement.

Unfortunately he was treated shabbily by Ponting and the selectors.

If he'd played in this series they would have picked him for Perth and dropped him for Sydney with shocking field placings for him.

Absolutely agree Hauritz is the best option.

The thing most people over look is Australia has very rarely produced world class finger spinners. All our great spinners have been wristies - Grimmet, O'Reilly, Benaud, Warne.

The best finger spinner I've seen play for Australia was Tim May. Hauritz's figures stack up reasonably well when compared with Tim May's. In fact, I dont think there are too many finger spinners who have better career figures for australia than Hauritz.

It was clear Ponting didnt favour him, I've no dramas with that as Australian captains since the year dot have curtailed careers of players they didnt have confidence in, but I would find fault in the selectors for not picking him when he was far and away the best credentialed, instead, they out thought themselves and convinced themselves we needed a left arm orthodox spinner.

 

[Matt23]

As for Skeepe questioning the integrity of Bell for not walking, if indeed he felt an edge, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Some of Australia's best and most beloved batsmen took not walking from an art through to a science.

But then you and your Kiwi mates get on your high horses about it...you'd have been one of the first to say "cheat" if it had been an Australian.

 

[Twizzle]

personally, I'd put a line through all these bowlers and start again, none of them will win us a series so may as well play a group of 4 or 5 young blokes who may also lose but at least be better for the experience, and rotate them

Smith is a batting all rounder, for those calling for him to be drop because he cant bowl is akin to asking North to be dropped because he cant get a wicket

I would rotate the likes of Copeland, Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson and even George, they are the future and so is SOK.

Beer is Hauri MKII, he can tie them down but he's not a penetrating bowler like SOK.

In anycase, we've got 7 months to think about our next test selections, but I'd ditch this lot, they are as good as they are ever going to get and they lost us the last few series.

 

[Twizzle]

personally, I'd put a line through all these bowlers and start again, none of them will win us a series so may as well play a group of 4 or 5 young blokes who may also lose but at least be better for the experience, and rotate them

Smith is a batting all rounder, for those calling for him to be drop because he cant bowl is akin to asking North to be dropped because he cant get a wicket

I would rotate the likes of Copeland, Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson and even George, they are the future and so is SOK.

Beer is Hauri MKII, he can tie them down but he's not a penetrating bowler like SOK.

In anycase, we've got 7 months to think about our next test selections, but I'd ditch this lot, they are as good as they are ever going to get and they lost us the last few series.