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8 Team World Cup

langpark

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Obviously Saaamoa, Tonga and Fiji as they have many players from there in the NRL, NSW Cup or QLD Cup and PNG is the only country on the planet where RL is the national sport.
That's not the argument. You said we shouldn't be wasting our time with third-world countries (even though the countries you mentioned are hardly that), then you said we must invest in the (arguably) third world countries of the pacific. I'm just trying to make sense of your logic.
 
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Because the third world countries of the Pacific are close to Australia and NZ and many have moved to Aus or NZ, and many more probably would like to and will do. So there's some realism here, and obv. interest in RL in those countries.

Serbia and Wales possibly are the only countries apart from obviously France and England that we should be investing in in Europe. There might be some chance in Scotland too. And possibly the Ukraine and Russia in the future, obviously I'm going by gut instinct here; but look at Europe, where soccer, handball, basketball and RU are so popular in some countries. It's a futile job to try and have RL played in most parts of Europe. Concentrate on PNG, Fiji, Tonga, Saaamoa and the Cook Islands. And one other country too, Jamaica. There does seem to be some genuine interest amongst quite a few towards RL in Jamaica.
 

langpark

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Yes but surely if you were to look at the bigger picture and the long-term side of things, you wouldn't be so quick to write off a country with a population of 145 million (Russia), for countries that barely have populations of 100,000 (not to mention far less wealth per capita)
 
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Do you live in Russia?

Russia is in a crisis at the mo, and the Ukraine is a basket case, and it's in the middle of nowhere. That's why nobody will invest in the country.

I have a very close acquaintance who lives and works in Moscow.
 

langpark

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Crisis by their standards. Which is still a much better economic state than the likes of PNG and Samoa.
 
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Ok, I know zero about economics.

Anyway, you can't have quarter-finals in a RLWC, it's pointless and embarrassing. Only have group matches then semi-finals. So with this, the realistic number of teams to have is 8.
 
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league13

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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Also, another guy has come up wit the phrase rake-back instead of play-the-ball. And Phil Caplan an English journo said on Back Chat (Premier Sports) think it was, the we need to come up with a new name for the sport, as at the moment we're promoting rugby union as people use the word rugby for rugby league a lot of the time.

Some others on this forum think we should not have a WC at all (don't think that R Crowe thinks we should bother with a RLWC). So I'm not the only one who disagrees with many of you on this thread.

What name should we come up with instead of rugby league? Instead of just criticising me, come up with ideas. Anybody can just throw out criticisms.[/QUOTE

Although we have a great name, League itself would suffice. That's all we ever called it in the west riding of Yorkshire.
 

alien

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Anyway, you can't have quarter-finals in a RLWC, it's pointless and embarrassing. Only have group matches then semi-finals. So with this, the realistic number of teams to have is 8.

not if you do it the way i suggested. 4 groups of 4 and the winner of each group goes to the semifinals. aus, eng, nzl would be in different groups
 

Rodney

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Why are the RLWC quarter finals so embarrassing?
Especially with even pools ( a 4x4 format) I don't think they'd be too bad.

Instead of Aus + NZ playing outsider minnows they'd be playing the best of the minnows.
Who aren't going to threaten but would keep things respectable.

The CWC quarter finals were all won by big margins, its ok for teams to show form and class.

And if your definition of 'pointless' is that Australia/New Zealand/ England are bound to win it than why bother holding a WORLD CUP?

A world cup is an event designed to celebrate the international game.
Where every concievable nation comes together to play in one massive, continuous tournament and its possible (however unlikely) that anyone could win.
All these nations are going to enter qualification anyway, why not include them into the cup proper?

If you withdraw places then these countries lose a host on incentives, and protracting the cup will lead to less exposure for the sport as a whole.
You also lose TV revenue from the reduced amount of games, and you will lose whatever ticket sales any nation from below 9th would provide (even if they are minuscule).
Finishing 4th no longer is all that impressive in a field of 8 rather than 14 or 16.
You diminish the tournament as a whole, for really no concievable benefit.

Oh, I guess you can avoid the Daily Tele writing a couple mean articles about how unbalanced it is. Which will be replaced by articles detailing how irrelevant it is, how pointless it is and how its in crisis because its effectively been cut in half so obviously there must be something dreadfully wrong there.

There really is no benefit, and you effectively have to sacrifice the whole intention and spirit of a 'world' cup to try and mould it into a somewhat palatable tournament for people who can't stand any sort of inequity in sport.
Who aren't going to tune in untill the semi's regardless because the pool stages are effectively gonna be the same as they were in 2013 minus the two minnow pools.

Cutting the tournament back after its most successful iteration seems completely idiotic
 

killbill

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I find it interesting that the press never seems to make negative comments about the one sided games in the Rugby Union World Cup and those margins are much bigger, in soccer either. Why is that with the Rugby League one. Is there like an agenda to do that? When am I read a Union board they seem happy for new countries to grow not so much on League ones. What hope does the game have like here in the US with that attitude if the major country - Australia thinks like that? In England it seems to be just a hate fest between the two Rugby codes. To an American League just seems so much more exciting and skillful more like American football, most people I know aren't really excited about scrums I get there is a skill there but not much to see if you haven't taken part!
 
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Why are the RLWC quarter finals so embarrassing?
Especially with even pools ( a 4x4 format) I don't think they'd be too bad.

Instead of Aus + NZ playing outsider minnows they'd be playing the best of the minnows.
Who aren't going to threaten but would keep things respectable.

The CWC quarter finals were all won by big margins, its ok for teams to show form and class.

And if your definition of 'pointless' is that Australia/New Zealand/ England are bound to win it than why bother holding a WORLD CUP?

A world cup is an event designed to celebrate the international game.
Where every concievable nation comes together to play in one massive, continuous tournament and its possible (however unlikely) that anyone could win.
All these nations are going to enter qualification anyway, why not include them into the cup proper?

If you withdraw places then these countries lose a host on incentives, and protracting the cup will lead to less exposure for the sport as a whole.
You also lose TV revenue from the reduced amount of games, and you will lose whatever ticket sales any nation from below 9th would provide (even if they are minuscule).
Finishing 4th no longer is all that impressive in a field of 8 rather than 14 or 16.
You diminish the tournament as a whole, for really no concievable benefit.

Oh, I guess you can avoid the Daily Tele writing a couple mean articles about how unbalanced it is. Which will be replaced by articles detailing how irrelevant it is, how pointless it is and how its in crisis because its effectively been cut in half so obviously there must be something dreadfully wrong there.

There really is no benefit, and you effectively have to sacrifice the whole intention and spirit of a 'world' cup to try and mould it into a somewhat palatable tournament for people who can't stand any sort of inequity in sport.
Who aren't going to tune in untill the semi's regardless because the pool stages are effectively gonna be the same as they were in 2013 minus the two minnow pools.

Cutting the tournament back after its most successful iteration seems completely idiotic

That's the best argument I've ever come across I think.

But if IMO 16 is the right number for a RU WC then we can't have anywhere near that number. I saw an Irishman write that he would rather lose by 100+ with a team made up of people mainly with Irish accents than with English and Aussie ones, think he mentioned something like 90% of the players should have Irish accents or were born there. And I agree. So that also puts out Scotland and Wales.

So I'm coming back to concentrating on the P Islands. Lets start there, so at the moment only two European countries can be in a RL WC, that's obviously only England and France. How many in the USA side had American accents or were born there? Very very few. And during the 2013 WC the England v Ireland match at Huddersfield was pretty much a non-event. I think it could have put more people off RL than attracted, saw one guy from Sheffield who was attending his first RL match say as much, he was at Huddersfield.

Also if you have 4 groups of 4 that means you can't have a 'blockbuster' to start the tournament. The fact is RU have far more teams who are closer together in terms of standard. 8 seems a reasonable number for a RL WC.

However, what I really think is that only 4 teams should play international matches (for now at least), those being Europe, New Zealand, PNG and Australia. And have tours instead of a Tri-Series. So this year NZ would tour Europe, and play the Catalonia Dragons, Wigan, Saints, Hull FC and Leeds and obviously the 3 Tests at Hull, London and Wigan. Though I would replace the one at Wigan with one at Toulouse.

So no RLWC. But have an 8 team Club World Cup as R Crowe suggested, the top 4 from the NRL v the top 4 from the ESL. 2 groups of 4, seeded. 2 from each comp. in each group. 5 weekends.

So Group 1 from last yr would have bn, Sydney Rabbitohs, Wigan, Warrington and Penrith.
 
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alien

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An extremely good argument.

But if IMO 16 is the right number for a RU WC then we can't have anywhere near that number. I saw an Irishman write that he would rather lose by 100+ with a team made up of people mainly with Irish accents than with English and Aussie ones, think he mentioned something like 90% of the players with Irish accents or were born there. And I agree. So that also puts out Scotland and Wales.

So I'm coming back to concentrating on the P Islands. Lets start there, so at the moment only two European countries can be in a RL WC, that's obviously only England and France. How many in the USA side had American accents or were born there? Very very few. And during the 2013 WC the England v Ireland match at Huddersfield was pretty much a non-event. I think it could have put more people off RL than attracted, saw one guy from Sheffield who was attending his first RL match say as much, he was at Huddersfield.

Also if you have 4 groups of 4 that means you can't have a 'blockbuster' to start the tournament. The fact is RU have far more teams who are closer together in terms of standard. 8 seems a reasonable number for a RL WC.

However, what I really think is that only 4 teams should play international matches (for now at least), those being Europe, New Zealand, PNG and Australia. And have tours instead of a Tri-Series. So this year NZ would tour Europe, and play the Catalonia Dragons, Wigan, Saints, Hull FC and Leeds and obviously the 3 Tests at Hull, London and Wigan. Though I would replace the one at Wigan with one at Toulouse.

o_o you've lost the plot dude!
 
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I've added and changed it a little since you quoted me, but not by much. Many people across Europe think we should have Team Europe (for the want of a better phrase). As it's the ESL. European SL not English SL.

And very few in the Samoa team in the recent RL 4 Nations were born in Samoa.
 

langpark

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I've added and changed it a little since you quoted me, but not by much. Many people across Europe think we should have Team Europe (for the want of a better phrase). As it's the ESL. European SL not English SL.

And very few in the Samoa team in the recent RL 4 Nations were born in Samoa.
WTF!?!?! NO-ONE wants this!!! :lol:
 
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When you really think about it and really face up to reality, a RLWC is pointless. It hasn't helped much at all, if any, in England; granted possibly in the south of France. Which is where I'm coming from in having a Team Europe, and them playing some matches in Toulouse.
 
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WTF!?!?! NO-ONE wants this!!! :lol:

I've seen a quote from a guy in Scandinavia, saying this, I've watched Russia Today with politicians from Europe, really wanting this to happen, but accept that say in soccer, it doesn't need to, and people don't want that, but in RL it needs to; and it happens in golf.

It makes sense to have it in RL.

Furthermore, most it seems, want a British Lions side instead of an England one, well having an Europe side is just one step further.

As R Crowe said on the BBC a few wks ago, you've got to think big.
 
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langpark

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I've seen a quote from a guy in Scandinavia, saying this, I've watched Russia Today with politicians from Europe, really, wanting this to happen, but accept that say in soccer, it doesn't need to and people don't want that, but in RL it needs to, and it happens in golf.

It makes sense to have it in RL.

Furthermore, most it seems, want a British Lions side instead of an England one, well having an Europe side is just one step further.

As R Crowe said on the BBC a few wks ago, you've got to think big.
All I can say is, I second this quote!
o_o you've lost the plot dude!
 

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