A very good article in todays SMH about finances -NRL-v-AFL.

[sharko]

I thought the SMH turned out a good article on the comparisons between the NRL and the AFL as far as funding and finances.
NRL: ÄFL:
Club grants: 57 mil 130mil
Future funds: 3.7 mil 16.4 mil
Admin etc 47 mil 67 mil
Facilities zero 13 mil
Game develop 21 mil 42 mil
Players assoc 320k 11.8 mil
Licence fee 8 mil (o News) zero
Salary cap 4.1 mil 7.43 mil

Now there are 38 players in an AFL squad compad to 25 in the NRL so that salary cap spread is not too bad, and according to the AFL their game is rougher and tougher so they need more players.
Some of the other figures are quite out of whack and show why the AFL have and can sustain a national comp and the NRL can deal with eastern seaboard only.
The NRL could take a lesson from the AFL administrators and start to properly support development, future funds and club grants.
I am assuming the clubs bear the brunt of paying for facilities?

 

[RABK]

I heard that Collingwood expect a $45 million turnover in 2007? That's fairly damn enourmous.

What's the biggest NRL turnover - Brisbane with maybe $10 Million?

 

[Balmain_Boy]

No wonder we're so far up sh*t creek.

 

[fourplay]

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/ori...old-for-players/2007/05/10/1178390473683.html

 

[taxidriver]

admin for nrl is way to high

 

[Raider_69]

What the SMH failed to note was this very important point:

AFL is a sh*t house game, with little skill involved other than the rovers having to be super fit. Its a sport that even its fans struggle to comprehend at times, its a sport with ZERO international success, they play a hybrid game in order to get an international series, and even then they are often soundly beaten by amature dublin butchures.

Its a sport that relys on so called 'hard men' hitting from behind and off the ball and then running 40 yards away. Its a sport with a big culture of off feild indisgressions, including drugs resulting in rehab and death in one G.Abblett's case, players sleeping with the partners of team mates, links to the criminal world, along with countless other issues, which far out weigh the NRL in both magnatude of incident and number of incidents occuring.

Rugby League, put simply, is a harder, tougher, more skillful sport, with more resillience, a better international feel and more potential to grow

 

[cumberlandsashes81]

$11.8m for the AFL Players' Association...?! Gee, drug rehabilitation is getting expensive these days.

Agree regarding the NRL's administration costs - way too high a percentage of total revenue.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I heard that Collingwood expect a $45 million turnover in 2007? That's fairly damn enourmous.

What's the biggest NRL turnover - Brisbane with maybe $10 Million?

Collingwood gets a sh*tload of its earnings from owning hotels which have huge expenses associated with them, so most of those earnings will just go back into the hotels.

 

[greenhat]

Game develop 21 mil 42 mil

Thats the stat that will kill RL in the long run unless it improves.

 

[Collingwood Storm]

Collingwood gets a sh*tload of its earnings from owning hotels which have huge expenses associated with them, so most of those earnings will just go back into the hotels.

collingwood only started buying into hotels etc... recently, roughly $7-8mil of the $45mil is from commercial interests

 

[Lockyer4President!]

collingwood only started buying into hotels etc... recently, roughly $7-8mil of the $45mil is from commercial interests

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/club-figures/2007/05/02/1177788209144.html
That article seems to indicate that it's more like $12M+

What clubs earned (gross) in 2006

Membership
(Reserve seat income included)

1. West Coast $11.045m
2. Adelaide $7.917m
3. Collingwood $7.541m
4. Brisbane Lions $6.982m
5. Geelong $6.375m
6. Fremantle $6.279m
7. Essendon $6.13m
8. Port Adelaide $5.667m
9. Sydney $5.416m
10. St Kilda $4.957m
11 Richmond $4.108m
12. Carlton $4.072m
13 W Bulldogs $3.594m
14 Hawthorn $3.225m
15 Melbourne $3.181m
16 Kangaroos $2.981m

Football revenue
(sponsorship, membership, gate receipts, merchandise, fund-raising, marketing and AFL-sourced)

1. West Coast $34.529m
2. Collingwood $27.319m
3. Brisbane Lions $23.173m
4. Fremantle $21.445m
5. Sydney $19.661m
6. Essendon $19.389m
7. W Bulldogs 19.157m
8. Adelaide 18.022m
9. Geelong 16.109m
10. Hawthorn 15.907m
11. Melbourne 14.814m
12. Port Adelaide 14.758m
13. St Kilda 14.416m
14. Richmond 14.145m
15. Kangaroos 14.14m
16. Carlton 13.738m

Non-football revenue
(including gaming and other businesses)

1. Collingwood $12.119m
2. Essendon $6.787m
3. Richmond $6.356m
4. W Bulldogs $5.998m
5. Geelong $4.725m
6. Port Adelaide $4.714m
7. Hawthorn $4.02m
8. Melbourne $3.355m
9. Carlton $2.357m
10. Sydney $1.778m
11. St Kilda $1.464m
12. Adelaide $668,000
13. Kangaroos $448,000
=14. Fremantle, Brisbane Lions, West Coast $0

The NRL and the clubs really have to start start heavily promoting memberships.

 

[yakstorm]

As Leigh Matthews recently said (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21569902-23211,00.html), to run a successful AFL club you need a revenue base of $25-30 million, and thats to be around the break even mark, while for NRL clubs it's half that, so naturally the desire to make income has never been as 'big' for NRL clubs and at the same time, they have never needed to make so much income cause the costs are less.

 

[Red Bear]

The biggest lesson we can take or should've taken from AFL is expansion of the game, they've handled it infinitly better than rugby league ever has

 

[t-ba]

Some of the other figures are quite out of whack and show why the AFL have and can sustain a national comp and the NRL can deal with eastern seaboard only.

BS. The A-league and NBL seem to handle it. The NRL, or more correctly our glorious overlords from Adelaide aren't interested in throwing the money that the AFL, NBL and A-league have at emerging markets.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I disagree RL was expanding quite nicely until the SL war, we were the leaders. The war put us back 20 years and gave rival codes their chance.

AFL monopolises their markets whilst league has always played in a competitive market. AFL really doesn't have anywhere else to grow except NSW and QLD and RL would be stupid to give them a chance again.

 

[t-ba]

I disagree RL was expanding quite nicely until the SL war, we were the leaders. The war put us back 20 years and gave rival codes their chance.

The AFL had sides in each Mainland capital by 1990. They've always been ahead of us in that regard. We were certainly making ground up though. With a few clubs headed for the trap door of folding/relocation, I imagine Adelaide and Melbourne would have been covered by 2000 at the latest.

AFL monopolises their markets whilst league has always played in a competitive market. AFL really doesn't have anywhere else to grow except NSW and QLD and RL would be stupid to give them a chance again.

There's competition. The Victory have cracked Melbourne right open, and once the new Stadium is built, the Storm will start gathering momentum. Perth's important, and Adelaide is a smaller market than NNSW, SNSW and Regional QLD.

 

[yosh64]

I heard that Collingwood expect a $45 million turnover in 2007? That's fairly damn enourmous.

What's the biggest NRL turnover - Brisbane with maybe $10 Million?

Brisbane is on around $22.9m p/a. With our lowest, New Zealand being on $9m.

Team - Revenue - Growth over 3 years (%)
Brisbane - $22.9m - 29.4%
Newcastle - $20.5m - 57.7%
St George - $16.6m - 50.9%
Melbourne - $14.1m - 17.5%
Canterbury - $13.8m - 38%
Sydney - $13.7m - 37%
Manly - $12m - 50%
North Queensland - $11.8 - 9.3%
Wests - $10.7 - 33.8%
Penrith - $10.3m - 13.2%
Cronulla - $10.3m - 24.8%
Parramatta - $9.9m - -1%
Souths - $9.5m - -5%
Canberra - $9.4m - -6%
New Zealand - $9m - -10%

 

[yosh64]

What the SMH failed to note was this very important point:

AFL is a sh*t house game, with little skill involved other than the rovers having to be super fit. Its a sport that even its fans struggle to comprehend at times, its a sport with ZERO international success, they play a hybrid game in order to get an international series, and even then they are often soundly beaten by amature dublin butchures.

Its a sport that relys on so called 'hard men' hitting from behind and off the ball and then running 40 yards away. Its a sport with a big culture of off feild indisgressions, including drugs resulting in rehab and death in one G.Abblett's case, players sleeping with the partners of team mates, links to the criminal world, along with countless other issues, which far out weigh the NRL in both magnatude of incident and number of incidents occuring.

Rugby League, put simply, is a harder, tougher, more skillful sport, with more resillience, a better international feel and more potential to grow

You babble so much sh*t. Fair enough you dont like AFL and your just using this thread as a way to do some AFL bashing but nothing you say is fair or reasonable. I could shoot holes in all your arguements.

 

[yosh64]

As Leigh Matthews recently said (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21569902-23211,00.html), to run a successful AFL club you need a revenue base of $25-30 million, and thats to be around the break even mark, while for NRL clubs it's half that, so naturally the desire to make income has never been as 'big' for NRL clubs and at the same time, they have never needed to make so much income cause the costs are less.

The biggest lesson we can take or should've taken from AFL is expansion of the game, they've handled it infinitly better than rugby league ever has

BS. The A-league and NBL seem to handle it. The NRL, or more correctly our glorious overlords from Adelaide aren't interested in throwing the money that the AFL, NBL and A-league have at emerging markets.

I disagree RL was expanding quite nicely until the SL war, we were the leaders. The war put us back 20 years and gave rival codes their chance.

AFL monopolises their markets whilst league has always played in a competitive market. AFL really doesn't have anywhere else to grow except NSW and QLD and RL would be stupid to give them a chance again.

All absolutely true.

Only i think that if the AFL was to be as successful as they want in NSW and QLD, you'd see them trying to develop the game overseas. They already put a minor amount of effort into AFL in other countries, but they are not serious about it at all. Once they own Oz they would look elsewhere (they believe their game is brilliant and would be loved by everyone - stupid buggers

 

[Lockyer4President!]

AFL is a sh*t house game, with little skill

Its a sport that even its fans struggle to comprehend at times,

its a sport with ZERO international success

they play a hybrid game in order to get an international series

Its a sport that relys on so called 'hard men' hitting from behind and off the ball and then running 40 yards away.

Its a sport with a big culture of off feild indisgressions, including drugs resulting in rehab and death in one G.Abblett's case, players sleeping with the partners of team mates, links to the criminal world, along with countless other issues, which far out weigh the NRL in both magnatude of incident and number of incidents occuring.

Rugby League, put simply, is a harder, tougher, more skillful sport, with more resillience, a better international feel and more potential to grow

You babble so much sh*t. Fair enough you dont like AFL and your just using this thread as a way to do some AFL bashing but nothing you say is fair or reasonable. I could shoot holes in all your arguements.

I can't find fault with any of those very valid points. I'd like to see you try to shoot holes in any of them.