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Absolute Disgrace!

shadow grinder

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Twizzle said:
I don't see what any of this has to do with Rugby League. It didn't happen on the Rugby League field.

How many others players are out their playing for your teams, that have criminal records that you don't know about.

thats not the actual point tho twizzle (sir ;) ) the conversation should be about the NZRL to allow them back into playing agian(That is rugby league related)...

but people have sort of branched off and turned it into an attack or a discussion about the actual crime it self.
 

Twizzle

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They didn't do it on the field.

I don't see why they cant be allowed to play again, unless they are charged with bringing the game into disrepute, but thier off field conduct.

I can understand why everyone refers to them as scum, but it has nothing to do with footy.
 

shadow grinder

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how come its regarded as not league related in the forum..yet on the left side of the forum it has it in the latest rugby league news?
 

Slappy

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Iafeta said:
So basically anyone who commits a crime should be strung up against a wall and shot? So basically, you'd support if Schappelle Corby's case was appealed and she lost that she should face the death penalty? Oh, wait, thats different.

:arrow: To Controversy Corner. Fair dinkum, what the heck has this got to do with the NRL, its a cr@p insinuation that he's remotely related to a particular NRL club when that NRL club washed their hands of him and moved very quckly to support the victim.

Get back in your cot!
Don't try and put words in my mouth!!!
I'm talking about this case specifically. And for this type of crime I do believe that they should be shot!
This is totally different to the Corby case where the supposed crime is not nearly in the same league (no pun intended) as this pre-meditated barbarism! And another thing you neglect to mention or fail to understand is that Corby has not admitted guilt whereas this crime was proven! Metcalf pleaded guilty!!!!!
He was also tried in a NZ court which is a hell of a lot better than this corrupted kangaroo court that the Indonesians are passing off!!!

Get your facts straight!
 

Eels Dude

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Letting them play league again is bad enough. Hopefully any club has enough sense and respect to let them nowhere near the playing field.
 

AuckMel

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10128160

League trio to return after attack on pregnant girl

30.05.05

By Angela Gregory

One-time Warriors' prodigy Shaun Metcalf and two friends who conspired with him to viciously attack his pregnant former girlfriend have been given a "last chance" of rehabilitation by returning to league.

The New Zealand Rugby League board has decided the three Auckland 17-year-olds, suspended for assaulting the teenage girl in a suburban reserve nearly two years ago, can rejoin the code.

Executive chairman Sel Pearson said it was a difficult decision given the "socially appalling" nature of the crime but the board, after widely seeking advice, believed it was an opportunity for rehabilitation that the teenagers should not be refused.

Children's Commissioner Dr Cindy Kiro said it was an awful crime but she supported the NZRL decision as the culprits had been punished and everyone should have a chance of rehabilitation.

"Though what they did was abhorrent and foul, it did not lead to the death of anyone.

"They are still young and hopefully through sport and with other support they can manage to go on and lead decent lives."

Metcalf, Geoffrey Ruaporo and Kyle Donovan were all under-16 league representatives, and in 2004 Metcalf became the youngest player for the Warriors.

Mr Pearson said that despite their early promise, league didn't really need them. The board had seriously questioned, therefore, whether the NZRL really wanted the three back in the game.

"But if it helps turn their lives around and for them to contribute positively to the community, then it is probably the right decision.

"Rugby league provides them a tool. It's all up to them now."

Mr Pearson said all three were on parole and the NZRL would watch them closely.

"They understand this is their last chance. They show extreme remorse [and] are not trying to defend their actions."

Mr Pearson said the decision was reached by six board members and three independent judicial committee members, including a judge.

They had sought views from the Corrections Department, counsellors and anger management experts.

Mr Pearson said the trio had been "children making an adult decision - a pretty bad one" - and he had enormous sympathy for the victim, who now has a daughter aged 17 months, and for her family.

He told the family of the board's decision in person on Saturday and said they were disappointed. "I can understand they feel aggrieved."

'Abhorrent and foul'

* In August 2003, Shaun Metcalf and Geoffrey Ruaporo beat and kicked Metcalf's girlfriend in the stomach in a bid to make her miscarry. Kyle Donovan was present during the beating.
* The assailants were given jail terms of 18 months, and Donovan 15 months, for attempting to procure an abortion, aggravated robbery, and injuring with intent.
* The victim delivered a healthy girl.
 
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Twizzle said:
They didn't do it on the field.

I don't see why they cant be allowed to play again, unless they are charged with bringing the game into disrepute, but thier off field conduct.

I can understand why everyone refers to them as scum, but it has nothing to do with footy.

u happy if they play for your club in the future.

if the warriors sign the two main guys, my support will be leaving the team.
 

Iafeta

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douglasallen91 said:
u happy if they play for your club in the future.

if the warriors sign the two main guys, my support will be leaving the team.

He didn't talk about allowing them to play for a professional club.

He was talking about letting them play the game again, period.

I hope the Warriors steer well clear of them, I have a feeling they will by the nature of their convictions on Lance Hohaia.
 

Iafeta

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The Illuminati said:
how come its regarded as not league related in the forum..yet on the left side of the forum it has it in the latest rugby league news?

No, the forum it was in was NRL.

They are not affiliated, associated with, or contracted to any NRL club. No NRL club has sanctioned them, or condone their behaviour.

It could have got away with being in a New Zealand Rugby League forum, but controversy corner is the most fitting of them all.
 

Iafeta

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Slappy said:
Get back in your cot!
Don't try and put words in my mouth!!!
I'm talking about this case specifically. And for this type of crime I do believe that they should be shot!
This is totally different to the Corby case where the supposed crime is not nearly in the same league (no pun intended) as this pre-meditated barbarism! And another thing you neglect to mention or fail to understand is that Corby has not admitted guilt whereas this crime was proven! Metcalf pleaded guilty!!!!!
He was also tried in a NZ court which is a hell of a lot better than this corrupted kangaroo court that the Indonesians are passing off!!!

Get your facts straight!

Hang on a second, it was raised in an NRL forum with a scant insinuation therefore that it was Warriors related. Metcalf has nothing to do with the Warriors.

Shot? So you're into a bit of 1930's black lynch mob theory are you? As I said before, the Indonesians regard Schapelle Corby's crime is able to take the death penalty, but I wonder what your reaction would be if she got the death penalty? The death penalty is draconian, archeac. Someone like Charlie Manson, or Ted Bundy, a repeat offendor for sure, but a one time offendor who didn't even succeed? Give me a break. He deserved time in the slammer which is what he got. It was a pathetic crime from possibly a pathetic waste of space. As far as Corby goes, compared to Metcalf's sentence of 18 months or so, compared to 20 years to the death penalty, I'm damn sure which one I'd be more likely to plead guilty to.
 

Slappy

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Iafeta said:
Hang on a second, it was raised in an NRL forum with a scant insinuation therefore that it was Warriors related. Metcalf has nothing to do with the Warriors.

Shot? So you're into a bit of 1930's black lynch mob theory are you? As I said before, the Indonesians regard Schapelle Corby's crime is able to take the death penalty, but I wonder what your reaction would be if she got the death penalty? The death penalty is draconian, archeac. Someone like Charlie Manson, or Ted Bundy, a repeat offendor for sure, but a one time offendor who didn't even succeed? Give me a break. He deserved time in the slammer which is what he got. It was a pathetic crime from possibly a pathetic waste of space. As far as Corby goes, compared to Metcalf's sentence of 18 months or so, compared to 20 years to the death penalty, I'm damn sure which one I'd be more likely to plead guilty to.

Now hang on a sec, Black lynch mob theory!!!!
Are you projecting me as a racist?

Anyway, the way I see it, it's more about intent!
Whether the girl and her child survived is irrelevant!
It doesn't make him a better person that he failed to kill the child, he still intended to do so! He's a rat bastard and doesn't deserve a second chance!
It was premeditated ruthlessness!
And stop bringing Corby into this, they are two totally different sets of circumstances!

You don't agree with the death penalty, I do (in certain circumstances!)
You think it is draconian and archaic, well I see it as an opportunity to rid the place of oxygen thieves like him! If there was a degree of uncertainty to this case, then I would not be suggesting capital punishment, but he did it, admitted it and pleaded guilty!
 

Lego_Man

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If these scum come anywhere near the Warriors (which i doubt, who would be stupid enough to sign them?) there will be a fan backlash the likes of which has never been seen before.
 

Dakink

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I dont think a club should sign this type of character, but isn't the whole point of our legal system being when someone has done their time then they are given a second chance in society?

I mean we are talking about playing Rugby League - it's not as if he is looking for a career in child care, he is looking to play a sport - and this game being as it is, is often a good way for people to channel agrgression and release angers in a contolled and legal way. There is no reason why he shouldnt be allowed to play a sport again and after that it is up to individual clubs to decide wether theey want this type of person on their books. If no club does then his career is over before it began, if they do then he should be allowed to play within the condtions of his release from prison.
 
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