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AFL 2005 - Round 5

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Port Adelaide has been in very ordinary form lately and is still missing some good players, although it has beaten Geelong in five of its past six encounters, and could be expected to find touch sooner, rather than later. The Cats returned to the winner’s list last weekend, at the expense of poor opposition, but haven’t done too much wrong this year to date. The blue & whites certainly have the physical mettle to mix it with the Power, but I’m quite concerned about gun midfielder, Cameron Ling, who is clearly troubled by his back problem. Ling is very much the barometer for this side and, regardless of Port’s insipid form; the Cats really need him on song for these types of games. A loss here would take the Power to the brink of crisis, but I’m expecting the side to give us a timely reminder of why they’re the reigning premiers.
Port Adelaide by 16 pts

The Kangaroos and Hawthorn will don commemorative jumpers to mark their 80th anniversaries, recalling memories of the seventies when their rivalry was the most prominent in the game. Hawthorn had the better of this bygone rivalry, but it is the Kangaroos who have dominated this fixture recently, winning four of the past five. They’ve been rock solid the Roos, winning all games they’ve played thus far, and revelling in games that have invariably been tough and tight. Hard winning form is fab form and the Kangas deserve favouritism here. That being said, Hawthorn was great last week and appears to have happened upon an intoxicating mix of classy experience and vibrant youth. A repeat of last week’s aggressive, full-on, in your face, possession at any cost showing will get the Hawks the points here, but can the side repeat such showings consistently? Terrible memories of the last clash between these sides remain frighteningly fresh, but I’ll risk it and go as a biscuit…
Hawthorn by 23 pts

Carlton travels west to Subiaco knowing only too well that it hasn’t been able to best the Dockers since Freo’s annus horribilus of 2001. That’s four from four to the Perth-siders, but God they’ve been awful of late! There was no disgrace in losing to a rejuvenated Tiger side last week, but it was a display that reiterated the softness of this troubled team that most football observers believe should be a walk-up start for the finals. Carlton’s form has also been indifferent, to say the least, and its hard to see them getting up at Fortress Subi unless all of its key players are on their game. While a draw with Port was a good result last week, it was achieved with Lappin & Whitnall down on form, and both players will need to improve markedly for this one. I think the Fremantle gameplan is absolutely atrocious and, until they make a coaching change, they’ll be having a good many more losses like the one endured against Richmond. They should be able to negotiate this one though…
Fremantle by 24 pts

Sydney are 5-1 against Melbourne in recent years, and this is as good a reason as Melbourne's weakened playing list for tipping the Swans this time around. Not that Sydney can claim to be at full strength either, with Paul Williams (for mine) their most important player, not being able to take the field. I certainly prefer Melbourne as a side, but Sydney is nonetheless capable of performing better than it has been, and will be hellbent on shoring-up its ladder stocks before the season starts to get away from it. The Demons sorely felt the loss of Cameron Bruce last weekend and will find him impossible to cover over the next 6 weeks. Melbourne has the greater talent (with or without Bruce), but Sydney should have the resilience and home ground confidence to nail an important win here...
Sydney by 15 pts

Adelaide has won its last four matches against the Hounds, but it need be remembered that 3 of these games were played in the City of Churches. The Crows have been the surprise packet of the season thus far, defying early predictions of a serious spoon challenge to win three on end, following a tight and unlucky loss to West Coast in round 1. Structurally, they don't look a lot different to last year, so either Neil Craig is a genius or the side has merely entered a confidence-inspired purple patch. I suspect its the latter (no offence to Neil) and that the side will take an overdue hit this weekend. The Bulldogs have been a bit disappointing of late, but will surely be hard on their game in a full-on bid to give stalwart champion, Chris Grant a present for his 300th game. The Hounds have the run in their legs and the talent to surprise, and I just think they'll get themselves up better for this one...
Western Bulldogs by 18 pts

West Coast will enter this game full of confidence, having won four of their past five clashes with Brisbane (including the last two clashes at the Gabba). The Eagles are far from unbeatable, but they're doing nicely at the moment, courtesy largely of the very fast and skilful players the club has accumulated in the midfield. Brisbane struggles to man-up on the Perth-siders, and this won't be helped by the continuing CHF gap left by Jonathon Brown. The Lions would have been mortified by last week's result, particularly due to the lack of grunt displayed by key players when the tide of the match turned against it. Brisbane still has talented players, but they are ageing beyond their years and IMHO are, in many cases, well sated by years of ongoing success. West Coast still has key flaws, especially in key positions, but it has momentum and confidence and will surely make it a third straight win at the Gabba (I'd be surprised if any other club has achieved such a feat)...
West Coast by 31 pts

Richmond has only bested St Kilda in one of its previous five clashes but, as with Adelaide, has performed better than expectation to this point of the season and will fancy itself against a Reiwoldt and Penny less Saints outfit. The reason for Richmond's winning run has been easty to identify, with star players Richardson & Brown playing out of their skins every week. I suspect St Kilda will struggle to contain both players, but will nonetheless chance its arm at outscoring the Tigers in a full-on shootout. The fabulous form of the aforementioned Tigers has obfuscated the vulnerable state of the Richmond defence, and (even without Reiwoldt), St Kilda is well positioned to land heavy blows in this regard. Richmond will be brave and more than competitive, but the greater class inherent in the Saints side should prevail on the day...
St Kilda by 28 pts

Essendon leads 4-1 on the ledger of recent clashes between these proud clubs and should be able to extend this sequence here. Collingwood was stiff last week, but with: Buckley, Rocca, Fraser & Didak all missing from the Magpie line-up its hard to warrant tipping them. Hard, but not impossible, given the poor form of the Bombers, who can consider themselves very fortunate to not be entering this clash winless. Essendon has some injury woes of its own and its ruck division is nothing short of a disaster. These two sides would be arguably the weakest two clubs in the competition at the moment, but their relative evenness (plus the extra meaning of the occasion) will all but ensure a tight and engrossing contest. The Bombers retain an edge in available playing personnel though, which should get them the points this time around...
Essendon by 8 pts


Bloody hell, I wouldn't call anyone a certainty for any of these games! Early signs are suggesting that this is as tough a tipping season as I've been through. Hope I don't get pantsed this weekend.
 

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The key to the Richmond V Saints game will be Hamill. I have much respect for this bloke on and off the field and if he dominates, St Kilda could hammer us. Gaspar will get the job on Fraser and you cannot argue Gas is getting better by the week. I don't buy the argument that Gas has totally lost it evidenced by what Williams did to him in the Hawthorn game - Gas was never the type to play on this type of player, the Lloyds, Carey's .... Gherig's were his bread and butter. I am reasonably confident that he can handle him.

Hamill is a different story altogether. I am hoping in the abscence of Schultzy that Joely Bowden :clap: gets the job on him because as evidenced by the game against Brisbane last year and the job he did on one J Brown, he is clearly up to the task and would give us exceptional run and big penetration out of the back half.

Morrison has been named according to the club site, I assume on an extended bench, will be interesting to see if he gets a run. Young Meyer has to be getting close. Third week in a row named on the extended bench.

Koschitzke coming back in is a big, big selection. This man can make the difference between St Kilda being perenial finalist or Premiers. With him and Nicky in the side and both fit they could towel any team in the comp.

Will be a great game, already got my two tickets (I usually stand but am going to sit for this one)... Cannot wait. This is the first real test.

Young Tambs looks to be another two weeks away Kev, I am rapt that we have him and Schultz to come back ... Finally, a small amount of depth in the club. The defence will not look so weak with Jay standing at CHB.

Go Richmond :clap:
 

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meltiger said:
The key to the Richmond V Saints game will be Hamill. I have much respect for this bloke on and off the field and if he dominates, St Kilda could hammer us.

I agree, he's a strong and dependable presence up forward for the Saints.

meltiger said:
Gaspar will get the job on Fraser and you cannot argue Gas is getting better by the week. I don't buy the argument that Gas has totally lost it evidenced by what Williams did to him in the Hawthorn game - Gas was never the type to play on this type of player, the Lloyds, Carey's .... Gherig's were his bread and butter. I am reasonably confident that he can handle him.

Yeah, Gaspar will have one of (if not THE) key job on the weekend. Williams is a tough option for defenders (particularly traditional key ones) to man-up on, and I'd concur that Gaspar is better suited to conventional tall forward types. He'll have to watch Gehrig tightly nevertheless, as he seems to have a liking for the Dome, and if the Saints can get good midfield delivery going through Ball, Del Santo & Harvey Gaspar will be in for a torrid afternoon.

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Hamill is a different story altogether. I am hoping in the abscence of Schultzy that Joely Bowden :clap: gets the job on him because as evidenced by the game against Brisbane last year and the job he did on one J Brown, he is clearly up to the task and would give us exceptional run and big penetration out of the back half.

Joel Bowden will no doubt knock-up getting kicks, but his lack of accountability makes him a luxury in a key defensive role. Wallace has already commented that Bowden's exorbitant possession tallies have generally been better for the player than the team, and I'd rather see a player like Graham get the nod. Bowden is best suited to a HBF, with Gaspar, Graham & Kellaway taking the three tall Saints.

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Morrison has been named according to the club site, I assume on an extended bench, will be interesting to see if he gets a run. Young Meyer has to be getting close. Third week in a row named on the extended bench.

I'm not convinced by Morrison, but the lack of kpp depth at Punt Rd should see him sitting on the pine for this game as insurance. I've heard good things about Meyer and his skill level, so hopefully he'll get a run this week, although I suspect he might go around again as an emergency, with Wallace unlikely to tinker too greatly with what has, to this point, been a winning formula.

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Koschitzke coming back in is a big, big selection. This man can make the difference between St Kilda being perenial finalist or Premiers. With him and Nicky in the side and both fit they could towel any team in the comp.

Koschitzke looked like he was going to single handedly destroy us in the opening Wizard Cup game and had a huge first term, before inexplicably going missing for the rest of the match. His marking power is very handy, and while he could unsettle things at CHF in Reiwoldt's absence, the Saints may also be tempted to use him down back to cover Penny.

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Young Tambs looks to be another two weeks away Kev, I am rapt that we have him and Schultz to come back ... Finally, a small amount of depth in the club. The defence will not look so weak with Jay standing at CHB.

Tambling will make his debut for Coburg this weekend where, not surprisingly, all eyes will be on him. The club wouldn't be feeling any pressure to rush him at this point and he will almost certainly be given a few VFL games to find his feet. He will no doubt be keen to get back on the paddock and hopefully that's the last injury woe he'll see this season.

I wasn't taken by Shultz at CHF, but it is the toughest position on the ground, and Trent Croad is living proof of how a player can be bloody ordinary in a key forward post, but more than handy at CHB. With Richmond's kpp stocks lean, and the luxury of a further priority pick unlikely this season, the Tigers deperately need Shultz to come on, along with Pattison. I think Simmonds and Pattison could form a sound ruck duo, but neither look particularly comfortable, much less imposing as key forward options. Shultz has struggled at CHF, but I think he looks a good fit for CHB and I reckon he will do well there. I wonder how the young fellow, whose name alludes me, is faring? He was seen longterm as a Hay-type pure fullback option, so he'll no doubt be watched closely this season.

The midfield stocks are looking brighter, however, with Coughlan recovered from injury and Tuck making a big impression. When he wasn't injured he was always looking ordinary at Hawthorn, so you've clearly got one over us by picking him up. I dare say we'll be advised to show greater patience with Travis, assuming we do pick him up under F/S in this year's draft.
 

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CyberKev said:
I wonder how the young fellow, whose name alludes me, is faring? He was seen longterm as a Hay-type pure fullback option, so he'll no doubt be watched closely this season.

Daniel Jackson???


He's been running through the midfield a bit.

If not him, I need more help to get you a name ;-)
 

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meltiger said:
CyberKev said:
I wonder how the young fellow, whose name alludes me, is faring? He was seen longterm as a Hay-type pure fullback option, so he'll no doubt be watched closely this season.

Daniel Jackson???


He's been running through the midfield a bit.

If not him, I need more help to get you a name ;-)

No, not Jackson. Some Tigers think he'll turn into a key defender, but I think he'll remain more of a flanking type.

Will Thursfield on your rookie list is who I'm thinking of.

Funnily enough, I think Hawthorn may also be hoping that Ruory Kirkby (taken behind Thursfield) also finds his feet as a key defender, as they've been giving him a run at FB for Box Hill.
 

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Funnily enough, I think Hawthorn may also be hoping that Ruory Kirkby (taken behind Thursfield) also finds his feet as a key defender, as they've been giving him a run at FB for Box Hill.

Geez, I'm in 110% agreement with this CyberKev joker on this one.

Hay may well have made the difference today, particularly given how badly Jacobs played at fullback :evil: That was absolute shit on a sandwich , Danny; 20 possessions and you were still the best player on the paddock for the Kangaroos!

A bloody awful showing by Hawthorn, with poor composure and dubious thinking resulting in a raft of soft goals on the turnover for the Kangaroos.

Nice fightback to be sure, but if you're going to pay a side such little respect down back (Croad & Brown were noble exceptions here) and overcook the ball continually then you're going to lose a hell of a lot of football games!

Congratulations to the Kangaroos for their best start to a season since 1979. You have some tough challenges coming up, but you have positioned yourselves well to snare a finals position.
 

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Lol, you thought that win last week by the hawks meant they could beat the un-beaten kangas? dont think so.

Kangaroos are suprising everyone, i picked them for about 7-9 place at the end of the year, it is still early but i think 5 - 8 place is looking good for them.

Hawthorn on the other hand...... #-o
 

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Lol, you thought that win last week by the hawks meant they could beat the un-beaten kangas? dont think so.

Kangaroos are suprising everyone, i picked them for about 7-9 place at the end of the year, it is still early but i think 5 - 8 place is looking good for them.

Hawthorn on the other hand...... #-o

I take it you didn't actually see the game?

Hmmm... For a side that you rate as so massively ahead of us, it is surprising that they only won the game by 3 goals...

Hawthorn is in the first year of its rebuild, which is why they're bravely playing six first year players in the same side (will most likely become 7 next week). The Hawks are also playing a further 7 players with 50 games or less experience (most likely to become 8 next week).

Having turned over around 900 games worth of experience late last year, the Hawks also found themselves more than 600 games shy of the Kangaroos in overall experience yesterday. Hardly surprising that they should have been a bit more composed in key moments.

The Kangas were also at full strength, while Hawthorn was missing 2 All-Australian defenders, an experienced midfielder in Lekkas, and had two players returning early from nasty facial injuries received a mere fortnight ago.

The loss of Hay pre-match was particularly damaging, given that Rocca hasn't been able to score more than 2 goals on him during his time with the Kangaroos.

By watching the game you would also have seen that by far the best football of the match came from the Hawks in the third quarter. The side needs to be more consistent with this type of football and will be, given time.

We can't all be raging hot finals certainties like the Tigers, but in long haul terms the Hawks are going fine, thanks.
 

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A fine win by West Coast yesterday, to continue their dominance of a (now) ragged looking Brisbane unit anywhere and everywhere. Prior to this season I all but wrote off the Eagles chances of going all the way this year, due to their past vulnerabilities away from Perth. The club still has to prove itself in Melbourne, but there are certainly many good signs on offer for the club to suggest that they could overturn their poor record there. The other thing they have in their favour, should they finish top two, is the likelihood of not having to play at the MCG until GF day when, in my opinion, the notion of home ground advantage is essentially rendered redundant by the nature of the event. The Eagles make for good viewing and I will watch them closely from here.

As good as West Coast is, it is unlikely that they will have everything their own way, particularly if St Kilda can keep its best side together for the remainder of the season. The Saints were far too good for Richmond yesterday, and its a sobering thought that they were able to win so comfortably minus players like Reiwoldt & Penny, and with gun onballer Luke Ball having precious little impact on the game. The Saints are an attacking tour de force, a very exciting side indeed.

Geelong and Melbourne also staked claims over the weekend and, even at this early stage, we appear to have the makings of a top four taking shape in these clubs.
 

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A disappointing night for the Tigers, but the Saints will be more than a handful for any side when they're on song this season.

There were some strong positives to come out of the game for them though.

Shane Tuck knocked-up 25 touches and continues to impress in the midfield, having looked gone for all money as a footballer last September. Coughlan also produced a couple of dozen possessions and had the rare distinction of getting the better of Saints gun, Luke Ball. With Tambling & Meyer likely to impress at the top level in future months, the Tiger midfield is getting a very potent look to it. Deledio will also improve markedly and Dean Polo is looking solid at the Coburg reserves.

Richmond should enter 2006 with a very strong ruck and midfield contingent (assuming Greg Stafford can keep playing). The challenge will be to generate the next line of tall kpp types.
 

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Yeh cyberkev, not a great game by the tiges. Wasnt expecting TOOOO much, thought we might actually put up a fight though. The saints were just to quick, running us off our legs.. and when we actually had the ball we had absolutley no time to use it. Well done to the saints who looked completly different to what they looked like in the first few rounds. Its a scary prospect that the number 1 footy player still is too come into the side.

Like you said with Hawthorn, obviously both our teams are just in its first few years of re-building. I could of been a bit tough on the hawks, they have actually been playing with alot of how can i say it.. passion. They have (i think?) been in every game they have played and with some luck could be 4 - 1 or 3 - 2. But thats footy, and sure you guys might even have more wins that Collingwood this year and dare i say it.. richmond?


Its so hard to pick this early as to how well some teams are going to fare, can Brissy and Port bounce back? If the tiges can beat Port next week then they will only need to win another 4 games out of 16 or so too make me happy.
If we finish on anything above 8 wins i will be very confident leading into next year :D
 

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A disappointing night for the Tigers, but the Saints will be more than a handful for any side when they're on song this season.

I wouldn't read too much into St Kilda's performance, any side can kick 20 odd goals when not challenged physically.

There were some strong positives to come out of the game for them though.

Shane Tuck knocked-up 25 touches and continues to impress in the midfield, having looked gone for all money as a footballer last September.

Agree wholeheartedly there, Tucky is turning into a very very handy player for us.

Another positive was Gaspar's performance on Fraser. Had him under control for most of the night and in the end Fraser's goal tally was increased by an uterly ridiculous free kick paid to Fraser for absoloutely no reason other than he is Fraser Gherig (Third term)

What was completely dissapointing was the utter ineptitude of Richmond small forwards when the ball was coming forward. Richmond played well enough across the ground to suffer a 4-5 goal loss rather than the 11 goal loss it blew out too. What caused that was the uselesness of the small forwards in being able to support Richo. The poor bastard was triple teamed for the cast majority of the night, the notable exception to that being the occasion when he was competing with FOUR St Kilda defenders (& still brought the ball to ground mind you) ... One has to wonder where the loose players were each and every f**king time the ball went forward.
 

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Yeh cyberkev, not a great game by the tiges. Wasnt expecting TOOOO much, thought we might actually put up a fight though. The saints were just to quick, running us off our legs.. and when we actually had the ball we had absolutley no time to use it. Well done to the saints who looked completly different to what they looked like in the first few rounds. Its a scary prospect that the number 1 footy player still is too come into the side.

The speed you talk about is as much a speed of mind, as anything else. This is what kills you as a developing side, until weight of experience improves your own speed of thought. This is why good sides can damage developing sides badly on the scoreboard despite the developing side working its guts out and winning at least as much of the football. Its also why developing sides can get the better of play for much of a match, only to get broken by a short withering burst of inspired and considered play. Good sides will, put simply, punish your mistakes.

On the upside, teams like the Saints were developing a couple of seasons ago and feeling the same pain.

camsmith said:
only need to win another 4 games out of 16 or so too make me happy.
If we finish on anything above 8 wins i will be very confident leading into next year :D

8 wins is very achievable. With the season's of Brisbane & Sydney not going nearly according to plan, and Carlton falling back with the battling pack, there is definitely an opening in the eight for anyone who can find a purple patch of form. If Richmond can beat Port this week (and they must think themselves a chance) then the club would be entitled to start thinking about the possibility of finals football.
 

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Agree wholeheartedly there, Tucky is turning into a very very handy player for us.

The Hawthorn coaching panel would be well advised to a) pick-up young Travis F/S this year, and b) allow him at least 4 years to develop, based on the histories of his father and brother.

Its amazing what a change of attitude and a turn in fortune (re: Injury) will do for you as a player. Shane's form is testimony to this, and would also indicate a preference for the fresh approach brought by a new coaching panel.


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What was completely dissapointing was the utter ineptitude of Richmond small forwards when the ball was coming forward. Richmond played well enough across the ground to suffer a 4-5 goal loss rather than the 11 goal loss it blew out too. What caused that was the uselesness of the small forwards in being able to support Richo. The poor bastard was triple teamed for the cast majority of the night, the notable exception to that being the occasion when he was competing with FOUR St Kilda defenders (& still brought the ball to ground mind you) ... One has to wonder where the loose players were each and every f***ing time the ball went forward.

Its a learning process. In recent weeks, Richo & Brown have been so dominant that extra forwards haven't been needed. When these blokes are on fire its a boon for the team, but the downside of having two players utterly dominating is that it creates an expectation in the rest of the side. I suspect the other Tiger forwards were just expecting Richo to do the job, much in the same way as many Brisbane players seem to be expecting other players to do the job of late.
 

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If Richmond can beat Port this week (and they must think themselves a chance) then the club would be entitled to start thinking about the possibility of finals football.

Geez you're a child sometimes :lol:


You do realise two lines of that conversation will forever live on in my sig file should we get there ;-)
 

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Richmond can beat Port.

I'll expect Hall to go on Tredrea as he did a pretty good job on Hamil. I agree with Mel Tiger about Gaspers performance and that free kick was shocking, where was the over the shoulder on Gas? :roll:

Another positive was Delidio, showed some class on several occasions. I went down and watched coburg yesterday, Tambling may be another week off, but im hoping with hyde out that they bring him in. One of the many negatives, Krakour (sp?) I think he needs to watch some tape of Milne. :?

Another negative... ANOTHER sunday game for the Tigers, after 5 weeks you think we could have atleast on Saturday game :( Just means i need to think about last weeks loss for an extra day.
 

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