AFL 2006 - Round 4

[Macca_]

Backed the tri bet in the big one today.

Either team to win by under 15.5 points at $3.45.

I'm biased and would never back the pies. I was going to take Essendon with the 13.5 points start and hope they snuck in, but at the odds at least if they lose a tight one anyway, I get better odds . Can't say I'll be to fussed if they win by more than 16 :lol:

 

[CyberKev]

.... Brown had his leg snapped in two so i think to compare his situation with Pavs is reaching a bit far.

Er,

re-read my post.

I was referring to Jonathan Brown, not Nathan! Hence my "with respect to the Tigers (defence)" line...

 

[camsmith]

There is only one Brown in my book.

I thought Jonatahan Brown had an alright game on the w/e though?

Anyway sorry bout that mate. Pav still is overrated lol.

 

[CyberKev]

I thought Jonatahan Brown had an alright game on the w/e though?

19 possessions, 11 marks & 2 goals is his best performance for some time; but in the end Pavlich also kicked a couple and saw his side lose by a similar margin.

In past times, had Brown returned those possession stats, he probably would have kicked a handful and the Lions would have won. In past times, of course, he would have been playing in a far stronger side than this Lions outfit.

Pavlich has always played in a side as weak (or weaker) than this Lions outfit. He hasn't had the luxury that Brown has had, where he could just pop-up with the occasional blinder and get lauded, whilst at the same time not having your flat games noticed because the side was so strong it was always winning.

He has carried an entire side in the past, and 9 times in 10, a good Freo effort has been derived predominantly off his back.

Had Pavlich been at Brisbane and Brown at Freo you would have been arguing that Brown was overrated.

 

[lockyno1]

19 possessions, 11 marks & 2 goals is his best performance for some time; but in the end Pavlich also kicked a couple and saw his side lose by a similar margin.

In past times, had Brown returned those possession stats, he probably would have kicked a handful and the Lions would have won. In past times, of course, he would have been playing in a far stronger side than this Lions outfit.

Pavlich has always played in a side as weak (or weaker) than this Lions outfit. He hasn't had the luxury that Brown has had, where he could just pop-up with the occasional blinder and get lauded, whilst at the same time not having your flat games noticed because the side was so strong it was always winning.

He has carried an entire side in the past, and 9 times in 10, a good Freo effort has been derived predominantly off his back.

Had Pavlich been at Brisbane and Brown at Freo you would have been arguing that Brown was overrated.

You saying that this Freo side is worse that Brisbane? WTF! I think not! Powderpuff is useless thats all!:lol:

 

[CyberKev]

You saying that this Freo side is worse that Brisbane? WTF! I think not! Powderpuff is useless thats all!:lol:

Structurally it certainly isn't any better. Brisbane has: Akermanis, Power & Michael who are all still movers and shakers, Freo has McPharlin, Bell & Haselby. Much of a muchness really, its just that the Dockers would be ahead in terms of hunger at least.

At any rate, its clearly yet another case of people not reading my posts correctly. My comment was that during Brown's years with the great Brisbane side, Pavlich was battling away in woeful Freo sides that would very much be classified as being as weak or weaker than the current Brisbane side that Brown is struggling to have a great impact in. Freo were pretty appalling across 2000-2002 (inclusive) and haven't been brilliant since.

And you can say whatever you like about Pavlich, as you're only just embarrassing yourself.

He'd comfortably be the first player chosen at Essendon, and were he there you'd be fawning all over him.

From today's game, there wasn't a lot to get excited about up forward at Essendon, and he certainly would've made a huge difference. Given the very average nature of the Essendon midfield he would have been helpful there too.

 

[lockyno1]

Structurally it certainly isn't any better. Brisbane has: Akermanis, Power & Michael who are all still movers and shakers, Freo has McPharlin, Bell & Haselby. Much of a muchness really, its just that the Dockers would be ahead in terms of hunger at least.

At any rate, its clearly yet another case of people not reading my posts correctly. My comment was that during Brown's years with the great Brisbane side, Pavlich was battling away in woeful Freo sides that would very much be classified as being as weak or weaker than the current Brisbane side that Brown is struggling to have a great impact in. Freo were pretty appalling across 2000-2002 (inclusive) and haven't been brilliant since.

And you can say whatever you like about Pavlich, as you're only just embarrassing yourself.

He'd comfortably be the first player chosen at Essendon, and were he there you'd be fawning all over him.

From today's game, there wasn't a lot to get excited about up forward at Essendon, and he certainly would've made a huge difference. Given the very average nature of the Essendon midfield he would have been helpful there too.

I will say this again Powderpuff WOULD NOT be the first one chosen Lloyd, Hird, Jason Johnson would be the top 4! As for todays game I was extremely happy and most Essendon supporters would be considering Lloyd was not there. Monfries showed his class again and I was impressed with Ricky Dyson in patches as well.

As for the fact that Freo were rubbish, well Brisbane were last year and Brown did well when he played. Blows your theory out the window. As for hunger well we saw a lot from Powderpuff this week!:lol:

 

[meltiger]

meltiger from surfers....


He likes the old 'Would be the first player chosen' line eh?


I'm waiting for the apologies for bagging off Matty and Staff who kicked 7 between them on Saturday night...


Just admit you're wrong on Pavlich you stuborn bastard

 

[lockyno1]

Just admit you're wrong on Pavlich you stuborn bastard

Won't happen even though Powderpuff is useless!:lol:

 

[CyberKev]

I will say this again Powderpuff WOULD NOT be the first one chosen Lloyd, Hird, Jason Johnson would be the top 4!

Your coaching panel and a clear majority of the footballing public would think differently.

As for todays game I was extremely happy and most Essendon supporters would be considering Lloyd was not there. Monfries showed his class again and I was impressed with Ricky Dyson in patches as well.

Come off it, Lockers.

Dyson got 8 possessions and Monfries got 12. On top of this, JJ only got his hands on the ball 12 times.

The big possession winners for Essendon were generated out of defence, which must be of some concern.

As for the fact that Freo were rubbish, well Brisbane were last year and Brown did well when he played. Blows your theory out the window. As for hunger well we saw a lot from Powderpuff this week!:lol:

If you actually look at his figures for last year, in half of his games he returns average possession tallies and zero goals. To some extent you are probably correct, as this would most likely be in keeping with his career performances. This only further supports my point that he plays as many subpar games as good ones, its just that in the past the strength of the Brisbane side has won enough games to camouflage his downers.

 

[CyberKev]

I'm waiting for the apologies for bagging off Matty and Staff who kicked 7 between them on Saturday night...

For starters, I didn't bag Richo, I merely stated the obvious in that talk of him playing on for another 5 years was nonsense. It remains highly unlikely that he'll be on the Tiger list come 2009, and may not even be there for 2008.

Stafford is capable of putting in the very occasional good match. On most occasions he will struggle and Richmond will also for as long as he remains a key component of their attack.

One performance (against a troubled opponent) won't alter the likelihood of both players struggling in more games than playing well.

Just admit you're wrong on Pavlich you stuborn bastard

I'm comfortable with the reality that a vast majority of the footballing public would share my view that Pav would be the first player chosen at either Essendon, Richmond or Hawthorn.

 

[CyberKev]

A few observations on yesterday's game:

1) It appears that the key differences between a mistake-riddled farce and a classic contest are the size of the crowd and the significance of the match.

2) Surprisingly, Essendon had chances to win, but given the poor showing of their midfield, and the amount of possession they entertained in defence, it may be too early for Collingwood to be boasting loud about fearing nobody.

3) Young Watson is certainly an improved player for the Bombers, but the youngster who interested me most was Ryder. He had little idea about what to do with the ball, but this will improve as he becomes atuned to the pace and demands of the game at the elite level. What he does show is a good pair of hands and a very neat movement style. I think he would be wasted as a ruckman, and should be developed as a CHF when his body fills out.

4) Loathe him or hate him (and as is the case with many Collingwood knobs, he's the sort of obnoxious tosser that was made for an adverse meeting with Bob Fulton's infamous cement truck) Alan Didak can certainly set the turf alight when he is on song. I thought he was superb in the second half yesterday and proved the difference in the end.

 

[camsmith]

For starters, I didn't bag Richo, I merely stated the obvious in that talk of him playing on for another 5 years was nonsense. It remains highly unlikely that he'll be on the Tiger list come 2009, and may not even be there for 2008.
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One performance (against a troubled opponent) won't alter the likelihood of both players struggling in more games than playing well.

Wont bag Richo then you bag him? :lol:

I agree with you on Staff though, he has to be good in more than just a couple of games for the season to think about playing next year, he was great last saturday though.

Richo could play for another 3-4 i reckon... like Lynch did for the lions.

 

[CyberKev]

Wont bag Richo then you bag him? :lol:

Fair slack of the reins, that's an observation not a bagging. I've been saying similar things about Voss, who is among my all-time favourite players.

Richo could play for another 3-4 i reckon... like Lynch did for the lions.

I doubt it.

The reason Lynch was able to play until the age of 36 can be directly traced to the large amount of playing time he missed over the years due to his chronic fatigue woes. This preserved his body to an extent and allowed him to play on longer than the average key forward.

Watching Richo recently he is definitely looking a lot less spry than Lynch was at the same age. He's got the rapid degeneration look about him, for mine.

 

[meltiger]

LOL

Staff has played 1 game and kicked 3 goals. Bit rough to be claiming he lacks consistency don't you think?

 

[CyberKev]

LOL

Staff has played 1 game and kicked 3 goals. Bit rough to be claiming he lacks consistency don't you think?

Groan.

During 2005 he played 15 games, averaging a woeful 7 possessions, 3 marks and 1 goal per game.

11 possessions, 6 marks and 3 goals is huge by comparison (even allowing for the weakened opponent), but its the sort of performance that (from Stafford) you could count on a clumsy butcher's hand over the past couple of years.

 

[camsmith]

Yeah i was talking about Staff's last season.

On Richo, he can just sit in the goal square.. he is one of the best marks one-on-one.

 

[meltiger]

Groan.

During 2005 he played 15 games, averaging a woeful 7 possessions, 3 marks and 1 goal per game.

11 possessions, 6 marks and 3 goals is huge by comparison (even allowing for the weakened opponent), but its the sort of performance that (from Stafford) you could count on a clumsy butcher's hand over the past couple of years.

Groan yourself.

Hawthorn were truely sh*t and embarrassing in most games they played last year. Should we judge how their going to perform this year on that (ie, bottom 2) or the form they have shown so far this year (ie, potential finalists IF the kids can keep fitness in the legs)?


Staffs done everything asked of him so far, and any non-old timer needs to take Kev bagging Greg Stafford off into context - He along with every other supporter has had it in for Staff every since one particular game at the MCG a few years back. Completely incapable of impartial comment they are... Maybe if Everitt had kept his head out of the way things would have been different ...

 

[meltiger]

2) Surprisingly, Essendon had chances to win, but given the poor showing of their midfield, and the amount of possession they entertained in defence, it may be too early for Collingwood to be boasting loud about fearing nobody.

Some of them are talking Grand Finals! LMAO

 

[CyberKev]

Groan yourself.

Hawthorn were truely sh*t and embarrassing in most games they played last year. Should we judge how their going to perform this year on that (ie, bottom 2) or the form they have shown so far this year (ie, potential finalists IF the kids can keep fitness in the legs)?

The key difference is that Hawthorn is a team unit that has undergone structural changes, including the infusion of new blood. As a side they are a young dog, whereas Staff as a player is an old dog, and we all know about the divide that separates old dogs from new tricks.

Staffs done everything asked of him so far, and any non-old timer needs to take Kev bagging Greg Stafford off into context - He along with every other supporter has had it in for Staff every since one particular game at the MCG a few years back. Completely incapable of impartial comment they are... Maybe if Everitt had kept his head out of the way things would have been different ...

Unlike Tiger tragics, unable to let go of yesterday moments (eg. Ottens), Hawk fans have a tendency of looking forward rather than back.

I've never heard that incident mentioned by any Hawk fan since the week after it occured.