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AFL propaganda and British WW1 propaganda- the similarities...

Knightmare

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As I sat down and waited for the computer to boot up, I picked up this textbook on WW1 that my sister is studying for her exams. I opened to a section discussing how the British used propaganda during the war, and as I read, was amazed at how much of it is similar to what the AFL are doing, 90 years later. The rules of British/ AFL propaganda are laid out in dot point:

. Propaganda uses stereotypes. Germans are like any other people. There are kind, gentle Germans and there are brutes; some are intelligent, some are stupid; some are compassionate, some insensitive. However, propaganda can never allow this reality to be considered. According to the propaganda all Germans are savage barbarians who rape women, murder priests and throw babies into the air for bayonet practise. Rudyard Kipling,a popular British writer of the time, said that the world contained human beings and Germans.

In the wider spectrum, NRL players are like any other cross-section of men. Many of them are respectful towards members of the general public, however some are arrogant and boorish too. Many (like Preston Campbell and Nathan Hindmarsh) do a great amount of community work during the week. However, AFL propaganda doesn't want potential fans in Victoria or the southern states to ever think this reality exists. According to them, all Rugby League players are neckless cavemen who binge drink every night of the week, assault young, innocent women and get into bar fights. If an AFL player is found guilty of such acts it is problem reflected in general society. But if a Rugby League player does the same (or even less) it is just more 'proof' that the whole culture of the game is a "culture to despise."

. Proper names should not be used. Our brave lads are not fighting Germans. They are fighting 'Huns', 'the Boche' or 'the enemy'. Germans are people, 'Huns' are not and such labels make more effective cartoon caricatures. It also makes it easier to kill them.

The code which is "In a League of its' own" is not fighting a game followed or played by normal people. It is fighting a game played only by alcoholic cavemen and uncultured bogans who only follow the NRL because it is what they have been brought up on. The only reason they haven't embraced the AFL is because they have never watched a game. If/ when they do, they will be converted for life. This is why the AFL must have teams in Western Sydney and on the Gold Coast, to educate these philistines who are still in the dark ages.

. Propagandists are selective in their use of material. This is where censorship comes in. Propaganda avoids referring to information that does not fit the required picture. For example, British propagandists would never refer to incidents where enemy soldiers helped wounded "Tommies". Defeats have to be ignored or minimised, and victories played up.

The AFL, with the Melbourne media in its' pocket, plays Colonel Klink to any goings on that run against the self- propogating idea that the AFL is a code which is played clean and fair on the field, with no tolerance for thuggery, while off field is played by upstanding men who know how to treat women and aren't taken by drug or alcohol abuse like their NRL counterparts. The Melbourne media only gives the NRL wide-spread coverage if Nate Myles drops a brick in a hotel corridor or Big Game allegedly hits his missus. They never give mention to the Hazem El Masri's of this world. Conversely, Michael O 'Loughlin is a hero whose name was never linked to the rape of a yong woman in a park. Albert Proud is just a fringe grader for the Brisbane Lions, nothing more. And that ex- Carlton CEO is an idiot for suggesting that hush money was paid to rape victims during his time in charge there. Who does he think he is, The Police? That sort of thing only ever happens in thugby league!

. Propaganda frequently lies. Victories can be concocted and German atrocities invented.

The Swans holding a women's gala dinner means that the AFL as a whole, is a code which knows how to treat women. Matthew Johns being involved in an extra-marital, but consensual, affair with a groupie 7 years ago with some of his team-mates, means that the NRL is a "code of silence" with a seedy underbelly to it, a game still watched and run by male chauvinists who think that the only role women should play in the NRL are as cheerleaders or groupies.

. Effective propaganda is repetitive, according to Adolf Hitler, germany's leader in World War 2. He made the point that the bigger the lie and the more frequently it is repeated, the more likely it will be believed. If the British press repeatedly print stories of German atrocities against British people, these stories will gradually seep into the consciousness of the British people and be accepted as fact. The fact that they probably did not happen is not relevant.

"The NRL is a culture of binge drinking, drug abuse, harrassment of women and cover-ups. Similar incidents in the AFL are isolated ones and just a problem in general society. The Storm aren't shown live in Melbourne because nobody would want to watch them anyway. The Swans and the Lions are shown live into the northern states because everyone follows them up there. More and more kids in the northern states are taking up Aussie Rules, which is why there are more Auskick programs and why we must put teams in Western Sydney and the Gold Coast to meet huge demand. AFL get bigger crowds which is proof that way more people in Australia follow AFL than NRL. We have a team in every capital city, which is proof that we are the only truly Australian code. All we have to do is put a team in a Rugby League stronghold and people will instantly see what a better game we have and convert. After that, we can expland to places like the USA, England and Brazil where people will be converted from American Football and soccer to follow our game, because our code is in a League of it's own!"

Repeat the above enough times constantly in the print and television media and the results can be seen on places like Bigfooty...

. Propaganda makes strong assertions. These assertions do not need to be proven or backed up with evidence. It helps if they can be backed up with the appeal to authority, for example 'General Staff sources state that...', 'Eyewitnesses have told authorities that...' or 'Priests have confirmed that...'.

Assertions made about the NRL don't need to be proven or backed up with evidence. If they give the impression of being backed up by a valid authority, that is good enough. eg "Noreen has lived in Rugby League heartland for 25 years....." "Patrons and members of the public during Mad Monday reported....." or the old favorite of the likes of Rebecca Wilson: "NRL insiders claim that...."

In short, the AFL propaganda machine is nothing new. It certainly isn't the first time lies and half-truths have been invented about "the enemy".
 
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Red Bear

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Way too much paranoia regarding AFL as far as im concerned. More often than not their chest beating sounds like they are covering up just how average AFL is going in NSW.

Second team could be a disaster.

Leaguies just look like tools with all this fear of AFL however, similar to some of our victorian friends and their anti-RL rubbish.
 

Knightmare

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We don't care about the AFL as such. We care more about the disparity shown between the two codes. I guarantee you that if AFL scandals were given the same treatment as the NRL gets, you would find hardly anyone complaining here.
 

Thomas

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Wow. Just wow.

This site is just like those 9/11 conspiracy sites sometimes.
 

Goddo

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Yeah thats all true. Its true of the media, the police, our defence force, the government of the day, and if the NRL had any balls, the NRL.

I read Mein Kampf a few years ago for uni, and Hittler, when he isn't banging on like a nutter about minorities, talks a lot about this propaganda stuff and manipulating people, politics and society. Its what his party was all about, control through propaganda.

Its a form of mind control. Macarthyism in America, the whole "reds in the bed" thing under Menzies here in the 60s, most of the ANZAC Mythos (noone talks about the confirmed warcrimes Australians have committed), anything that sounds like an "official" history or "approved" line of thinking that isn't backed up by direct facts or evidence. Anything without a burden of proof. The childeren overboard/asylum seeker thing under John Howard was the same, so is most of what you read in the Telegraph. Doesn't matter if its true or not.

Why do you think Kevin Rudd says the same sentences over and over and over again? Say something enough times, people will start believing it.

And in the Church of Australian Rules its very very active. Great thread

Edit: Poor victorians, they don't know that having been spoon fed bullsh*t all their lives they have a choice in eating it!
 
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ucantseeme

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Pretty clever, and true.

But let's not forget that this beast known as Rugby League seems to thrive on controversy. This season we have had one atrocity after another yet we have record crowds, memberships, etc. Melbourne Storm are getting their own rectangular stadium next year and this year are fielding a Toyota Cup team full of Victorian kids.
 

El Diablo

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Pretty clever, and true.

But let's not forget that this beast known as Rugby League seems to thrive on controversy. This season we have had one atrocity after another yet we have record crowds, memberships, etc. Melbourne Storm are getting their own rectangular stadium next year and this year are fielding a Toyota Cup team full of Victorian kids.

but it has caused sponsors to drop off

that is not good and that is what the media want to happen
 
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Nothing stops PBB...nothing....

you guys really need to lay off the whole AFL thing.

Worrying about it is not going to change anything.

You are powerless. Thats why you all whinge. But whinging is a symptom, not an action taken. As to the original poster, great insight.

As to everyone else, take it for what it is - insight. The way some people need to play off the whole AFL thing is really pathetic.
 
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Yeah thats all true. Its true of the media, the police, our defence force, the government of the day, and if the NRL had any balls, the NRL.

I read Mein Kampf a few years ago for uni, and Hittler, when he isn't banging on like a nutter about minorities, talks a lot about this propaganda stuff and manipulating people, politics and society. Its what his party was all about, control through propaganda.

Its a form of mind control. Macarthyism in America, the whole "reds in the bed" thing under Menzies here in the 60s, most of the ANZAC Mythos (noone talks about the confirmed warcrimes Australians have committed), anything that sounds like an "official" history or "approved" line of thinking that isn't backed up by direct facts or evidence. Anything without a burden of proof. The childeren overboard/asylum seeker thing under John Howard was the same, so is most of what you read in the Telegraph. Doesn't matter if its true or not.

Why do you think Kevin Rudd says the same sentences over and over and over again? Say something enough times, people will start believing it.

And in the Church of Australian Rules its very very active. Great thread

Edit: Poor victorians, they don't know that having been spoon fed bullsh*t all their lives they have a choice in eating it!

well said.

Truth is the absence of dissagreement. We really need to gear up our own propaganda campaign. But don't hold your breath.
 

Mooks Nephew

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Yeah thats all true. Its true of the media, the police, our defence force, the government of the day, and if the NRL had any balls, the NRL.

I read Mein Kampf a few years ago for uni, and Hittler, when he isn't banging on like a nutter about minorities, talks a lot about this propaganda stuff and manipulating people, politics and society. Its what his party was all about, control through propaganda.

Its a form of mind control. Macarthyism in America, the whole "reds in the bed" thing under Menzies here in the 60s, most of the ANZAC Mythos (noone talks about the confirmed warcrimes Australians have committed), anything that sounds like an "official" history or "approved" line of thinking that isn't backed up by direct facts or evidence. Anything without a burden of proof. The childeren overboard/asylum seeker thing under John Howard was the same, so is most of what you read in the Telegraph. Doesn't matter if its true or not.

Why do you think Kevin Rudd says the same sentences over and over and over again? Say something enough times, people will start believing it.

And in the Church of Australian Rules its very very active. Great thread

Edit: Poor victorians, they don't know that having been spoon fed bullsh*t all their lives they have a choice in eating it!


Firstly the reds were under the bed.
If your going to put this dribble up as evidence of a conspiracy at least get the tag lines right.

The OP is the most rambling load of crap I have ever read in a forum other than one run by white supremacists or conspiracy theorists. I suppose you support the theory that Nazi atrocities did in fact not happen because of this little offering?

The NRL's problems are of it's own making as are the AFL's.
NRL issues are blown out of proportion by the Qld and NSW media because the game is primarily a QLD/NSW concern.

AFL issues get enormous coverage in Victoria, if that where the club is based and/ or whichever state the club or player involved plays for.

The AFL is expanding and that is a fact.
hey have the money and infrastructure to do this over a long period of time.

The NRL has the resources to flourish in it's current form but without some unforeseen windfall will be taking a large risk to follow the AFL's lead at this time.

NRL supporters who feel there is some conspiracy at AFL headquarters to "kill NRL" are sadly deluded because the only thing which will kill NRL is the supporters.

If you keep going they'll keep playing.

If you can't support your own code then don't blame others for your laziness.

The only saving grace of this thread is the number who can see it for the paranoid ravings it is.

What's next...white hoods and crosses????
 

Goddo

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Great first and only post Mooks.
I have been to 14 NRL matches this year. I think I have done my bit for my club and the NRL you dope.

You must obviously have loved Menzies. I am sorry I offended you. I tried being impartial by having a dig at Rudd too

The article is about how the AFL has used the mechanisms of propaganda to further their code. I was agreeing that they had done so successfully, and that it is a very old and widely used technique.

If our code didn't have such a nong for CEO we would do it too. Crawl back under your AFL quilt cover, put your hands on your ears and repeat "its all lies" over and over.

EDIT: Nazi attrocities did happen, and propaganda did its bit in making it happen. Army/Navy Cadets is fun but it is still none the less the equivilant of a Hittler Youth. Roman emperors with bread and circus were the same. The point is, don't believe what you are told unless there are facts to back it up!
 
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Gippsy

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Having lived in country Victoria for over 3 years now, where there is not even a hint of interest in rugby league, the original post is very close as to how the locals view NRL, NRL players & their own "greatest game on the planet".
 

maccattack

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AFL issues get enormous coverage in Victoria, if that where the club is based and/ or whichever state the club or player involved plays for.


No they don't. I live here in Melbourne and all I ever see in the papers and other news outlets is fluff pieces.

It really is a massive love in here.
 

dubby

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I wish the select minority who lable others as paranoid for having a point of view, especially in a well written thread such as this would rack off.
 

El Diablo

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AFL issues get enormous coverage in Victoria, if that where the club is based and/ or whichever state the club or player involved plays for.

even journos know thats not true http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25414954-7583,00.html

Whenever there's a drama in the AFL, all the protagonists and main players rally together for the good of the code, arguing that one isolated incident should not be allowed to besmirch this great game.

While the blood-letting runs unchecked in Sydney, in Melbourne everyone is holding hands and saying it's time to move on, often before the fight has even started.
 

Lambretta

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Firstly the reds were under the bed.
If your going to put this dribble up as evidence of a conspiracy at least get the tag lines right.

Err, no they weren't.

In the 1950's America was enjoying a post war economic boom of unprecedented proportions. If you think that Americans would have given that up in exchange for Communism you're utterly deluded. Extreme politics can only grow in awful economic circumstances. Maybe during the great depression era, but not during the 1950's boom.

It was a paranoid witch hunt of unbelievable proportions and many decent people were destroyed by it.

It also served to destroy much of the good work done in Europe such a free health care for everyone, which was seen as a horrible socialist evil.
 

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