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Alcohol advertizing in league - hypocrisy?

Should rugby league stop advertizing alcohol?

  • Yes, it would be beneficial for player behaviour and the game`s image in the long run.

    Votes: 8 25.8%
  • No, we absolutely cannot afford to lose all that money.

    Votes: 16 51.6%
  • Not at all. In fact the administrators should start running prostitute rings too

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • Total voters
    31
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/2263338/NRLs-hopeless-hypocrisy


Paul Dillon, a drug and alcohol specialist who has worked with international athletes from a number of codes, told reporters last week that sports chiefs could hardly point the finger at player behaviour when they were often seen drinking at functions themselves, and were known to openly consort with liquor company executives in the pursuit of the sponsorship or advertising dollar. The entire league-playing landscape was wallpapered in a double-standard.
"What they're doing is picking young men very early, sometimes as young as 15, and putting them in a situation with older men who drink," said Dillon. He might have added that they were also allowing their sport to be used for the aggressive marketing of alcohol and, as a consequence, were guilty of normalising a culture of drinking. That by allowing their players to be bombarded with positive images of alcohol, they were effectively inviting them to get plastered.
 

Eels Dude

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I'm not going to vote in this poll because none of the poll options cater to my opinions.

I say "No" but not because of financial reasons but because drinking is not illegal and as long as alcohol advertisements are done is a responsbile way, which for the record is a legal requirement, then I don't have a problem with it. The large majority of people use alcohol responsibly so I don't think it's fair to ban it.
 

Eels Dude

Coach
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Yeah I know, that's what I meant. I think advertising is perfectly fine as long as it's done in an appropriate way, for example, doesn't promote binge drinking or encouraging people it's fun to get drunk and act like a fool. I'm pretty in order to be approved by the censorship board they have to do this. Ads which don't meet the criteria are banned and maybe even a couple have been taken off air.

I think you should change this to a simple 'yes' or 'no' poll. As I said in my lost post, I would like to vote 'no', but not for the reasons you've mentioned in your 'no' answers.
 

Rogue.9

Juniors
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Unfortunately some players are going to be f**kwits whether they are drunk or sober, Keep the sponsorship.
 

Lockyer4President!

First Grade
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I ideally wouldn't like to see any alcohol related ads or sponsors for RL.

The problem is that these companies throw around large sums of money and if decided to ignore them, then they'll just end up giving the money to rival codes. It'd only work if it was a blanket ban across all sports like they did with cigarettes.
 
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I'm not going to vote in this poll because none of the poll options cater to my opinions.

I say "No" but not because of financial reasons but because drinking is not illegal and as long as alcohol advertisements are done is a responsbile way, which for the record is a legal requirement, then I don't have a problem with it. The large majority of people use alcohol responsibly so I don't think it's fair to ban it.
Smoking isn't illegal either.
 

ozbash

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very fitting in light of recent developements.
Could league survive without alcohol sponsorship ?

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Oh well, here we go again. Despite all the talk of responsibility and the setting of standards, the NRL is already in the headlines for alcohol-fuelled problems and sexual impropriety. Not a bad effort for a season that's only two days old, although not a record by any stretch of the imagination.
Who was it that said if you can't learn from your mistakes, you're almost certainly destined to repeat them?
Of course, reaction to the news of Manly footballer Brett Stewart's drunken antics last week, when he was charged with sexual assault and suspended from the competition until round five, has been predictable. Former State of Origin coach Phil Gould has called for a blanket ban on players drinking and NRL boss David Gallop has bristled and blustered about alcohol abuse, saying the "players and the clubs need to know we're not going to accept that".
What Gallop doesn't mention, however, is just how much NRL administrators have accepted from the liquor companies. What he doesn't mention is the utter hypocrisy of league officials immersing their VB-branded code in a tsunami of grog and then wringing their hands and anguishing over the inevitable consequences. He doesn't mention how, by aggressively promoting alcohol, they've failed their sport and let down their players.
Instead, the NRL boffins prefer to point the finger of blame at those who err, and fall through the cracks. Like Corrections chief Barry Matthews, the buck stops as far away from their offices as possible. They've courted and encouraged the advances of just about every cheque-wielding souse salesman in the country, but continue to exist in a state of denial when it comes to the ramifications. If it wasn't so sick it would be funny.
True, it would be a mistake to think the NRL has the problem all to itself. Cricket Australia is another that dances to the tune of the booze peddlers, having aligned itself in recent years to Johnnie Walker and VB, the latter promoted on the back of an advertisment featuring national selector and former test batsman, David Boon, in mid-swill. Yet it still has the temerity to complain about drunken hoons in the crowd.
For all that, the winter footy codes in Australia and New Zealand tell the most accurate story of what happens when governments allow liquor companies unfettered access to sport for the purposes of advertising. Clubhouses and grounds are now awash with invitations to drink. Competitions are named after grog. Players' uniforms are emblazoned with the logos of booze companies, and every NRL, AFL and Super 14 side is visibly aligned to one.
It's instructional too, that New Zealand Cricket, an organisation that's voluntarily distanced itself from alcohol sponsorship, has one of the better records in terms of booze-related issues. In fact, if you accept that Jesse Ryder had a drinking problem long before he had anything to do with the NZC operation, it's hard to remember the last time a Black Cap was involved in a liquor-fuelled indiscretion. Maybe at the Tiger Tiger nightclub in Durban at the 2003 world cup.
If Gallop and company were genuine about wanting to rid their game of the worst excesses of liquor consumption, they would have already acknowledged the duplicity of their position and moved against alcohol advertising and sponsorship. That they haven't only reveals how little they've learnt from history, particularly the era in which their predecessors adopted a similarly ostrich-like stance on the issue of tobacco advertising.
On the legislative front, however, the news is far from inspiring. The Sale and Supply of Liquor and Liquor Enforcement Bill introduced to parliament last year by the Labour government is now being heard, but fails to tackle alcohol advertising in sport at any level. Similarly, across the Tasman, Australia's federal government has also sidestepped the issue while debating liquor-related policy. The mistakes, then, are destined to be repeated.
As is the hypocrisy. Paul Dillon, a drug and alcohol specialist who has worked with international athletes from a number of codes, told reporters last week that sports chiefs could hardly point the finger at player behaviour when they were often seen drinking at functions themselves, and were known to openly consort with liquor company executives in the pursuit of the sponsorship or advertising dollar. The entire league-playing landscape was wallpapered in a double-standard.
"What they're doing is picking young men very early, sometimes as young as 15, and putting them in a situation with older men who drink," said Dillon. He might have added that they were also allowing their sport to be used for the aggressive marketing of alcohol and, as a consequence, were guilty of normalising a culture of drinking. That by allowing their players to be bombarded with positive images of alcohol, they were effectively inviting them to get plastered.
As long as that sort of mentality exists, people such as Stewart will continue to fall from grace, pretenders such as Gallop will continue to act horrified, and club and competition treasurers will continue to bank big, fat, thank-you payments from big, fat (and grateful) liquor companies. It is a dance of the damned; as inevitable as a hangover after a night on the turps, and just as ugly. The only difference is that the bank balance is still healthy.
The scariest thing? That the mistakes are destined to be repeated in both New Zealand and Australia until either sports administrators or government ministers become principled enough to appreciate their responsibilities, and recognise the damage caused by alcohol advertising within sport. That could take some time, admittedly. But until the day arrives, we should at least be spared the bogus indignation.

By RICHARD BOOCK

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/2263338/NRLs-hopeless-hypocrisy
 

bartman

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Interestingly, I see today mention that the Aust government is setting up a fund to do exactly that - allow Sports to be free of alcohol sponsorship.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/skol-and-crossbones-for-binge-drinking-20090317-9111.html?page=-1

The rest of that article is well worth a read imo, but here's the snippet...

Problem drinking, particularly among people under 25, has become so endemic that yesterday six of the seven crossbench senators voted to support the Federal Government's controversial tax on ready-to-drink beverages, or alcopops, which was introduced in April last year.
The Greens and independent Nick Xenophon were won over after Labor promised to set aside an additional $50 million for an alcohol hotline and a fund so that sporting and community groups would not need to rely on liquor sponsorship.

It'll take 2-3 years, but I suspect that Denis Fitzgerald's suggestion about an alcohol ban won't sound so unrealistic once the game itself isn't reliant on money from alcohol companies?
 

hrundi99

First Grade
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For all the pissheads, the majority consume alcohol responsibly, and therefore alcohol sponsorship is perfectly legitimate.

Should we ban sponsorship from Toyota etc because people kill each other in car accidents?
 

Shorty

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Should we ban sponsorship from Toyota etc because people kill each other in car accidents?
No, but smokes were banned from being advertised in sport.
Hell the premiership was once the 'Winfield Cup'.

So it's possible.
 

bartman

Immortal
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No, but smokes were banned from being advertised in sport.
Hell the premiership was once the 'Winfield Cup'.

So it's possible.
And quite likely within a few years, I suspect, as per Government fund mentioned in the SMH story linked above.
 

Lambretta

First Grade
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Yes but you can't smoke "responsibly".

Yes you can. Sort of. I smoke approximately 5-10 cigarettes a week.

That's about the same effect on my body as living in a slightly more congested City than Sydney.

For example. Standing on the corner of Piccadilly Circus in London for one afternoon has about the same toxic effect on your lungs as smoking a packet of 20 B&H 12 milligram cigarettes.

Moving from London to Sydney reduced the toxic effects on my body by more than the number of cigarettes I would consume in a week.
 

Lambretta

First Grade
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Then why is it legal?

A combination of people having done it for 300 years and that lovely taxation revenue the government are addicted to.

Evil doesn't always have to result in more evil is the logic.

Tax something bad and use the money to pay for something good.

If the level of taxation raises more revenue than you spend on the harm it causes, then you're ahead.

Plus - there's the added benefit of people dying early and the government not having to stump up for their care in old age.
 

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