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MilkShark

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Once this is all over the game will become so soft the women and men will play in the one competition equally. Kyle Tuner will become a good player.
 

Danish

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no it couldn't

rules will always be broken

When the punishment is high enough for breaking them, the instances will reduce immensely

How many fights are there since punching became an automatic sin bin? Do the same with all lifting tackles past the horizontal and watch that tackling style disappear
 

Tommy Smith

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Tackling is an instinctive 'heat of the moment' action.

Punching is completely different as you have time to consider your actions.

A punch, unlike a tackle, can't go wrong. You either choose to punch or not.

No player I believe chooses to spear tackle.

Big difference.
 

Danish

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They do choose to lift, though. That is the tackling technique that needs to go, especially in gang tackles.

If you cannot perform a certain tackling technique without being able to control whether or not the tackled player lands on their head, then you need to remove that technique from your arsenal. Its the same reason shoulder charges were banned (the uncontrollable nature of the technique), despite shoulder charges being inherently less risky in terms of serious injury than lifting.
 

El Diablo

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How many fights are there since punching became an automatic sin bin?
it's a lot easier to think about not throwing a punch as that's intentional

i seriously doubt any player intentionally lifts a player in order to drop him on his head
 

Knownothing

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it's a lot easier to think about not throwing a punch as that's intentional

i seriously doubt any player intentionally lifts a player in order to drop him on his head

But it is pretty certain that it is impossible to drop a player on his head without lifting him first.


Stop the lifting. Surely that is the point. Without lifting there is no dropping on the head, intentional or not.
 

Munted

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old maybe... but

I'm not the one showing my age with a pic of a pommy pop star from about 17 years ago as my avatar.
Is that bloke dead yet?

The avatar matches my name. He looks absolutely munted. Could be dead? Dunno, not actually a fan. Definately came close though.
 

Nice Beaver

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Tackling is an instinctive 'heat of the moment' action.

Punching is completely different as you have time to consider your actions.

A punch, unlike a tackle, can't go wrong. You either choose to punch or not.

No player I believe chooses to spear tackle.

Big difference.

Well....except for Josh Reynolds.
 

Perth Red

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There's no doubt nobody should, but given itbregularlynhappens maybe it is just statistically likely that
But it is pretty certain that it is impossible to drop a player on his head without lifting him first.


Stop the lifting. Surely that is the point. Without lifting there is no dropping on the head, intentional or not.

It's the two tacklers up top as much as the guy around his legs, there's a photo, in the link, of the tackle from the other side and you can see Maclean has him arm wrapped around his waist, it's really the two guys at the head end putting the upper body momentum faster than the leg end.

It's quite different to the origin tackle where a player clearly lifts and twists the player driving him head first.

So do we ban three men tackles?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-...-ranks-among-heftiest-sideline-stints/5364730
 

Perth Red

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And when you look at the slow mo photos it looks like the real damage was done from a forward momentum and him tucking his head under, not being driven down onto his head. The pics show that in terms of angle to the ground he was barely pass the horizontal.

It is just a very unfortunate set of circumstances, 999 out of a 1000 that tackle does no harm at all.
 

carcharias

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And when you look at the slow mo photos it looks like the real damage was done from a forward momentum and him tucking his head under, not being driven down onto his head. The pics show that in terms of angle to the ground he was barely pass the horizontal.

It is just a very unfortunate set of circumstances, 999 out of a 1000 that tackle does no harm at all.


Slow motion?

He had split second to decide what to do with his head before it got driven into the ground by 3 blokes.

As soon as they lift his feet up he is in trouble
He cannot do anything about it.

Yeah I'll agree 999 times he doesn't get hurt
But he did
And now he will never walk again.

The tackle was against the rules because of the potential severe injury it can cause.

I could drive down the road at 200 kms an hour 50 times and not have an accident.

Doesn't make it accidental when I do wipe out on the 51st time though.
 

Perth Red

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Not blaming him, just saying it is an unfortunate set of conditions that is incredibly rare but not possible to ever say would not happen again regardless of the rules or punishments.

If you were going to be totally risk averse to minimise the chances you would ban three men tackles as that was really the key contributing factor.

google "Maclean spear tackle" and look at the last couple of photos of the tackle He is barely passed the horizontal and its head tucked with forward momentum of all that weight on him that snapped his neck.
 

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